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[HK-90210]

I'm just wondering whether there is anyone else on this board who is as pleased as I am that Bioware shows these characters we care about having romances that do not involve the PC. One of the things I've been most impressed about in DA2's latest couple of DLCs has been featuring characters that Hawke is not tied to romantically having their own love stories/crushes to tell. In the main game, you had Aveline and Donnic with their cute courtship quest, but both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin have shown several other companions who are leading interesting love lives of the own.

So far, the pairings we've got are:

Avaline-Donnic. In the leadup to DA2's launch, I was really dissapointed that Aveline was not a romance option. But based on the kind of character she is, her little story with Donnic was perfect for her. All my Hawkes care for Aveline, and want to see her end up happy. And Donnic is a great side-character that makes a wonderful husband for our favorite ginger-haired Guard-captain.

Fenris-Isabella(If neither is in romance by Act 3.) Seems closer to 'friends with benefits' with these two, but they still care for one another. And if you're not in a romance with either one, it's nice to know that Fenris has found someone, and that Isabella has managed to find out what color Fenris's underclothes are.

Bethany-Sebastian: Really should have seen this one coming. I mean, they are the two characters most devoted to the Maker, and they would share that common bond. All my MaleHawkes support this romance, although a few of my LadyHakwes are a bit miffed. I mean, seriously, how is it that Bethany can get Seb to flirt without even really trying?! They are a cute couple, though, and I'm curious to see if the DA writers will do anything with this little subplot.

Carver-Merril: There was Carver's thing with Merril leaving him flustered in Act 1, but MoTA had a few dialogues that made this pairing more fun. I rather like the two of them together. And according to party banter, so does Isabella.

So who else supports this? And where do you think Bioware will take these subplots, either in DA3, or in future DLC/Expansions?

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:26 .

[TEWR]

I disapprove of Carver and Merrill. I do not want Carver anywhere near Merrill. He doesn't deserve her.

I do approve of the rest and I want to see Velanna-Nathaniel. Funnily enough, before I knew Bioware thought of the Seb-Bethany pairing I thought about it and was working on it for my DAII fanfic. I still am, but now I feel like I'm ripping off Bioware. Makes me sad.

[Myusha]

Nothing wrong with Carver and Merrill together. Maybe part of the reason why Carver doesn't go jackass Templar.

[GodWood]

I support the idea, I'd just rather Bioware develop them further rather then limiting it to a few flirtatious banters.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I disapprove of Carver and Merrill. I do not want Carver anywhere near Merrill. He doesn't deserve her.

Get out of town.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Funnily enough, the first person i would see Merill with is Carver.

[Jessihatt]

Nooo, save Carver to be a LI in DA3!
Merrill and Varric all the way anyway.
Fenris and Isabela.
Not Anders and Bethany. Ever. She said he reminds her of Malcolm.
It'd be Bethany and Sebastian anyway.

[HK-90210]

GodWood wrote...

I support the idea, I'd just rather Bioware develop them further rather then limiting it to a few flirtatious banters.

I agree. The flirtations are nice, but seeing these realtionships actually evolve would be a really interesting thing to see in future DLC. Plus, it'd be nice to have the opprotunity for Hawke to sound off on each of them. And for them to tell him/her to stuff it, as the case may be.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:33 .

[berelinde]

I ship

Fenris and Isabela. They work out well togther, I think.

Carver and Merrill. They're just so cute!

Of course, that doesn't mean that I don't want Carver as a LI in DA3. Hey, sometimes relationships don't work out.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I'd much rather they fix the *player* romance dialogue before including more NPC-romance dialogue.
I'd also like them to expand more on player-romance dialogue before including more NPC-romance dialogue.

With that being said. I have nothing against NPC-romances. I think it's good that Hawke's companions end up meeting someone that might be good for them.

Isabela might help Fenris open up a little more, and if not? She'll at least loosen him up, maybe add a bit of fun to his life. I'm sure Isabela is pleased with the pairing also.

Bethany and Sebastian would be a good pairing, overlooking the fact that Bethany is a Mage and Rival Sebastian is a Prince(also overlooking the dire need for Hawke/Sebastian to be recognised a lot more), they both have very passive and caring personalities. Good for each other in the "settle down" way.

Donnic and Av don't really need explaining, a-DORABLE.

However.. Carver and Merrill isn't something my main Hawke would encourage. Merrill is cute, yes. Ultimately harmless, yes. However she's still a blood mage, and she'll always have that addiction hanging over her. Carver might be good for Merrill in this respect, might finally get her to give it up, but Merrill, i personally don't think she's any good for Carver.

The above is all -=>*MY opinion*<=-  though. I completely approve of NPC pairings, but i'd rather Bioware focus on recognising Hawke pairings a little bit more before they go in-depth with the NPCs.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:43 .

[Eudaemonium]

This is actually one of my favourite things in DA2, along with the general sense of party-interaction and bonds. The banter about gettign togetehr to play cards, drink and socialise and seeing the characters together when Hawke visited them really helped my sense of immersion, seeing these characters as people with their own lives. I actually felt DA2 did the 'build a team' a lot better than ME2, in that the characters actually felt like they cared for one another (or hated each other in the case of Fenris/Anders, but that was still a connection), rather than being a collection of separate individuals whose onyl connection was the PC =P.

I think it'd be interesting if they develop some of these further in the post-game DLC/Expansion when it comes out. I think all of the pairings are great. Heck, I even romanced Anders in my latest playthrough *JUST* to see Isabela and Fenris get together. The Bethany/Sebastian pairing is simply adorable. Pity she's dead in most of my games since I tend to play mages ='(. Carver/Merrill is also very sweet. I approve.

I would very much like to see some of these become more developed relationships in post-game content, seeing as it'd be difficult to implement in the 'play any-time' content model currently being employed. I'd particularly like little quests to help match-make the sibling couples (Merrill/Carver, Bethany/Sebastian) in later content. Because of the way post-game would be set up, unless they're dead the siblings would likely always be with you, so it'd be really awesome.

Fenris/Isabela doesn't need any Hawke-help, but it'd be great to see more of them together.

[sakera]

I am just trying to figure out how I have missed all of these NPC romances! My first playthrough was with a F!Hawke Blood Mage who romanced Fenris (loved his banter in MotA!) & my second one is with a F!Hawke Rogue Assassin who has bedded Isabela & flirts with Fenris ...

I am on Legacy now with my Rogue & brought Bethany, Sebastian, & Fenris -- so far there has been very limited banter between any of them.

What am I doing wrong?

Modifié par sakera, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:45 .

[TEWR]

I don't even see Carver and Merrill being a pairing that would work. Carver's stance on blood magic would make them a horrible pair. Plus, it just seems like he's only physically attracted to her.

Granted I only have a few banters to go on, but that's what I've gotten from him. A man who wants to rivalmance her for the sake of physical attraction only.

[TobiTobsen]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I don't even see Carver and Merrill being a pairing that would work. Carver's stance on blood magic would make them a horrible pair. Plus, it just seems like he's only physically attracted to her.

Granted I only have a few banters to go on, but that's what I've gotten from him. A man who wants to rivalmance her for the sake of physical attraction only.

I tend to agree with that.

I also don't see the how the Bethany&Sebastian pairing should work, even when I ignore my bias against choir boy ;D . Flirting, yes, but more than that?.
At the end of act 3 we have either a anti chantry&circle Bethany and a devout&celibate chantry brother Sebastian or we have a fugitive mage and a man who wants to reclaim the throne of Starkhaven. Shacking up with a mage that is on the run from the chantry and the templars would be political suicide.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:27 .

[.shea.]

sakera wrote...
I am just trying to figure out how I have missed all of these NPC romances!

You haven't missed them, the only npc romances in the game are Aveline & Donnic + Isabela & Fenris (not really a romance though, they're basically 'friends with benefits', if you don't romance either of them). 

[Lilunebrium]

CastonFolarus wrote...
And if you're not in a romance with either one, it's nice to know that Fenris has found someone, and that Isabella has managed to find out what color Fenris's underclothes are.

Really, though, those two make a great couple. Or friends with benefits. Or whatever they are. Isabella may actually be better for Fenris than our lovely protagonist, but sssh, don't let my Hawke hear that.

Regarding Carrill Merver egad. Regarding Carver/Merrill - I've said it before, but I'll say it again; the thought of Carver and Merrill ending up together is so completely cute and sweet, it makes my teeth melt. They'd be absolutely adorable. Should this develop anywhere further, BioWare should totally implement the option for Hawke to go pinch their cheeks.

Oh, and Sebethany Bethastian fine, I'll stop. Anyway, Bethany and Sebastian would be pretty damn near perfect for each other. While Bethany being a Mage - and a Warden in some instances - can provide some hindrances for both Choir Boy or Prince Sebastian, if you strip their statuses away, I honestly can't see it going wrong.

These match-ups just make complete sense. I would absolutely love to see them develop in future content - the number of squee's it'll draw from me will be almost ridiculous.

Oh, and -

Eudaemonium wrote...
 I'd particularly like little quests to help match-make the sibling couples (Merrill/Carver, Bethany/Sebastian) in later content. Because of the way post-game would be set up, unless they're dead the siblings would likely always be with you, so it'd be really awesome.

YESPLEASE. 
Oh, the fun our Hawkes will have! I can totally see Isabela pitching in on this, too. If this gets implemented in a possible future DLC, I don't care what's the setting or who's the hero - I'm so totally buying it.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:20 .

[sakera]

Chouan wrote...

sakera wrote...
I am just trying to figure out how I have missed all of these NPC romances!

You haven't missed them, the only npc romances in the game are Aveline & Donnic + Isabela & Fenris (not really a romance though, they're basically 'friends with benefits', if you don't romance either of them). 

Oh ok thx, cause I was wondering about the Bethany/Sebastian one, as the only banter I have seen from them so far (in Legacy) is just her asking about him being a prince & then him calling her Lady Hawke -- little more playful banter & then I interrupt them & basically tell Bethany to shush.

Sebastian seems more interested in arguing religion with Fenris ... perhaps it is because my Bethany is a Warden & not in the Circle.

[HK-90210]

sakera wrote...
I am just trying to figure out how I have missed all of these NPC romances! My first playthrough was with a F!Hawke Blood Mage who romanced Fenris (loved his banter in MotA!) & my second one is with a F!Hawke Rogue Assassin who has bedded Isabela & flirts with Fenris ...

I am on Legacy now with my Rogue & brought Bethany, Sebastian, & Fenris -- so far there has been very limited banter between any of them.

What am I doing wrong?

You're not doing anything wrong, per se...you just haven't run into the party banter yet. The inter-party romances have all been in party banter. Best way to find them is simply go to the DA Wiki. The database on party banter there is extraordinary. MoTA has been out for five days, and they've already got a fair deal of stuff up.
 

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I don't even see Carver and Merrill being a pairing that would work. Carver's stance on blood magic would make them a horrible pair. Plus, it just seems like he's only physically attracted to her.

Granted I only have a few banters to go on, but that's what I've gotten from him. A man who wants to rivalmance her for the sake of physical attraction only.

 
From what I've seen, Carver doesn't seem to care(in the banters, anyway) about Merril's blood magic. In the end, his stances on magic being what they are, he probably has a serious issue with it. But I think he could get past it, since he knows that Merrill is a good person. Somehow or other, he deals with Hawke if he/she is a blood mage. I don't think it would be a deal breaker for Carver.
 
But you're right, most of his attraction is based on the physical part. But I think he also finds Merril's adorability...well...adorable.
 

Lilunebrium wrote...
Regarding Carrill Merver egad. Regarding Carver/Merrill....

Oh, and Sebethany Bethastian fine, I'll stop....

OK, we need to figure out the proper terms.
I'm going with Carril and Bethastian.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:52 .

[Ellyria]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I'd much rather they fix the *player* romance dialogue before including more NPC-romance dialogue.
I'd also like them to expand more on player-romance dialogue before including more NPC-romance dialogue.

Agree 100%.

Other than that, I don't mind if your companions find romance that doesn't include Hawke, but I'd rather have them finding someone that isn't another companion, like Aveline and Donnic.

[Lilunebrium]

CastonFolarus wrote...

 

Lilunebrium wrote...
Regarding Carrill Merver egad. Regarding Carver/Merrill....

Oh, and Sebethany Bethastian fine, I'll stop....

OK, we need to figure out the proper terms.
I'm going with Carril and Bethastian.

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[TEWR]

Carrill wouldn't work. That's a person's actual name in the game.

[HK-90210]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Carrill wouldn't work. That's a person's actual name in the game.

Really? Who?

[TEWR]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Carrill wouldn't work. That's a person's actual name in the game.

Who is Carrill? I remember there was a Carroll who guarded the boat to the Circle in DAO, but that's spelled differently.

Also, I'd like to say that if they are going to write more romance dialogue, they should write more for Hawke and not for Carver. Especially because "Carrill" makes as mush sense to me as a Meredith/Anders pairing would.

Wait, I was thinking of Cavril. Slight difference in the name.

never mind.

and oh god.... Anders and Meredith is just as bad as imagining Emile de Launcet and Meredith.

[.shea.]

Well, Carver & Merrill pairing would never happen in my playthroughs because all my mages (and all except one of my rogues) go for her, so little brother would need to find someone else...I think pairing him with Isabela could be absolutely hilarious (considering how she likes to tease Carver in act 1 and Carver actually flirts back in Legacy banter, not sure if there's anything in MotA between them though). Still, I'd rather have them create more romance conversations & banter (and friendship/rivalry as well) between Hawke and her/his LIs than romance banter between companions.

Edit: Emile de Launcet and Meredith...thanks for that mental image I need brain bleach...

Modifié par Chouan, 17 octobre 2011 - 12:41 .