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[Spiffy McBang]

I probably knew the answers to these once, lo those many years ago...

1. I'm just about out of side quests in SoA, but I still have Watcher's Keep available.  I'd like to do it now, but is there any major reason to save it for ToB?   The main thing I'm concerned with is that my team seems to be very high level for SoA, around 3.3k million exp for the highest characters; does the game shove you back when you start ToB if you get too high?

2.  Just what will trigger NPC convos?  I've had hardly anyone say anything since chapter 2.  As painful as it is for Anomen to be the only female love interest, he is pretty badass, so I kept him around; so far he's only talked a few times, and I haven't had my PC be overly mean to him or anything.  The others have said almost nothing since early on as well.  It's not like they never rest, and actually, the last occurrence was traveling between zones (Aerie said something about the sunset).  This isn't a huge, mega, major concern, as the reason I decided to play again after all this time is that I never actually beat ToB back in the day, but it'd be nice, especially if I can get Nalia and Imoen to talk about being totally badass archmages again.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

1) XP is not rolled back. It can only go upward. I usually do most of Watchers Keep as soon as I get out of the first stage of ToB, and leave the rest for close to the end of the game, but that's personal preference, and with your XP, you shouldn't feel out of place in the keep.
2) There are a few conversations that only take place in the wilderness, while others require other things, but mostly it's just random. Ctrl I (with cheats activated) should start the next one, if there are any left. Anomen is a different matter. Romance happens in regular intervals, and if you haven't reached the end of romance but there hasn't been a dialogue for a long time (the Underdark doesn't count in this though, because no romance happens there), then it's likely broken.
If you kicked him out at some point or if he was hit by Petrification or Imprisonment, that can happen. Or you didn't treat him with the respect he thinks he deserves?
You can check whether the romance is still running with this cheat:
CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("AnomenRomanceActive","GLOBAL")
This cheat should trigger the next romance dialogue in the next few seconds (unless other requirements are not met at the time, for example: wilderness, night time or rest) :
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("AnomenRomance","GLOBAL",1)

Modifié par Humanoid_Taifun, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:12 .

[morbidest2]

I would recommend doing the first two levels of WK in SoA chapter 6 simply because of the useful equipment you pick up there. The 3rd level is pretty tough, so you might want to wait until ToB before you try to finish it.

[Carinna]

When you're waiting for a love talk from Anomen, it helps to remember what a jerk he is. Once you declare your love for him, he acknowledges it immediately, and then ignores you for the rest of SoA (except for the vampire-rescue). I think it picks back up again in ToB, but can't say for sure since I can't see playing a romance through with him again just for that.

If you'd like a different love interest with one of the original NPCs, try the Edwin romance.  If you're playing a good party, there'll be an option to turn him neutral (or you can keep him evil if you like it that way).

Modifié par Carinna, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:45 .

[Spiffy McBang]

Watcher's Keep, here I come.

I tried that code and it said the romance was set to 3. I take that to mean it's on step 3? That would seem right given what I've seen so far. It probably is something about needing to be properly triggered. I'm generally ehhhh about cheats, but if it needs to be in the wilderness, for example, I may have bollixed it up by not doing anything except Nalia's quest pre-Underdark. I ripped through everything else so fast there may not have been time. Balls.

Edwin? So, if I understand this correctly, I was wrong about Anomen being the only female love interest, which is good... except it turns out the options are the douchebag and the bigger douchebag? Also, I've never carried around an evil character, so all I know about this is the odd comment here and there, but doesn't Edwin turn into a woman? If you leave him like that, do you get a lesbian romance or does he have to be a guy?

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Spiffy McBang wrote...
I tried that code and it said the romance was set to 3.

3 means he dumped you.

You could try this cheat:
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("AnomenRomanceActive","GLOBAL",2)







(I'm assuming that 2 would be the right number, though 1 is another possibility, depending on how many love talks you had...)
This might save your romance.

Edwin?

The Edwin romance is one of the many mods out there.

[Carinna]

Spiffy McBang wrote...
Edwin? So, if I understand this correctly, I was wrong about Anomen being the only female love interest, which is good... except it turns out the options are the douchebag and the bigger douchebag? Also, I've never carried around an evil character, so all I know about this is the odd comment here and there, but doesn't Edwin turn into a woman? If you leave him like that, do you get a lesbian romance or does he have to be a guy?

As H-T says, this is a mod.  Using the mod, he's not such a douchebag.   Yes, he turns into a woman; however if you want the romance to progress, you will have to turn him back (actually, all you need to do for him to turn back is keep him in your party long enough - true with or without mod or romance; someone comes up to him and turns him back; you have no control over it).  The "romance" (variable of 2) doesn't officially start until he turns back into a guy.  Before that, it's set to "1" where you are just checking each other out.  Unlike Anomen, you can say practically anything (as long as it's clever) to Edwin and all it does is turn him on more, not end the romance in a huff (apparently what happened in your current game - you have to walk on eggs around Anomen and constantly reassure him - ugh).

[Spiffy McBang]

Eh well, Anomen's a dick anyway. At least I have confirmation.

Just out of curiosity, are there things you can do outside of conversation that will affect things like romantic interludes? When my thief took over her part of the guild, he was pretty pissed. The only other thing I can think of is that I had her say the wrong thing the last time he tried to converse about his poor, sad home life, but there really weren't any non-sarcastic or "go away" options.

[Carinna]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

Eh well, Anomen's a dick anyway. At least I have confirmation.

Just out of curiosity, are there things you can do outside of conversation that will affect things like romantic interludes? When my thief took over her part of the guild, he was pretty pissed. The only other thing I can think of is that I had her say the wrong thing the last time he tried to converse about his poor, sad home life, but there really weren't any non-sarcastic or "go away" options.

I don't think he leaves just because of the guild.  With him, it's almost certainly that you weren't sympathetic enough with the response about his poor, sad home life.  To keep the romance going, just pick the most gushy thing to say of all the responses.  Otherwise --- dump.  And all that to keep a guy who's unstable enough to go murder someone and has to be talked off the ledge when he does.  And that's when he PASSES his test...

Which reminds me, when he jumps off the deep end, you have to stick right with him and keep reassuring him that, yes, it's fine with you that he murdered everyone in the house.  Anything less and romance over.

Modifié par Carinna, 16 octobre 2011 - 05:06 .

[ncknck]

I'd like to do it now, but is there any major reason to save it for ToB?

Its an area added by ToB. There is no reason to do it in SoA.

2. Just what will trigger NPC convos?

Real time timer.

[Spiffy McBang]

Carinna wrote...

Spiffy McBang wrote...

Eh well, Anomen's a dick anyway. At least I have confirmation.

Just out of curiosity, are there things you can do outside of conversation that will affect things like romantic interludes? When my thief took over her part of the guild, he was pretty pissed. The only other thing I can think of is that I had her say the wrong thing the last time he tried to converse about his poor, sad home life, but there really weren't any non-sarcastic or "go away" options.

I don't think he leaves just because of the guild.  With him, it's almost certainly that you weren't sympathetic enough with the response about his poor, sad home life.  To keep the romance going, just pick the most gushy thing to say of all the responses.  Otherwise --- dump.  And all that to keep a guy who's unstable enough to go murder someone and has to be talked off the ledge when he does.  And that's when he PASSES his test...

Which reminds me, when he jumps off the deep end, you have to stick right with him and keep reassuring him that, yes, it's fine with you that he murdered everyone in the house.  Anything less and romance over.

Is that what happens if you let his father bully him into killing that guy?  I talked him out of it.

After ME2, and FemShep's ability to get with Garrus the Romantic Assassin or that even weirder looking guy whose name I forget, playing this again and not having Haer'dalis as an incredibly obvious option, at minimum, seems so odd.

If BG2 was made again today, I bet you could let Keldorn's wife dump him and then scoop him up.  That would be a storyline worth seeing.

Edit for ncknck:  The ammo belt, potion bag, and unlimited bolts/arrows are worth it all by themselves.  I'm on level 3 of the keep and trying to decide if I want to keep screwing with the room full of wraiths and traps.  There's no good reason for it, but I'm sure I will.  Time to get buff!

Modifié par Spiffy McBang, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:35 .

[ncknck]

Haerdalis.. cut content. i dont remember, whether he was supposed to be romanceable, but he was a part of a love triangle with Aerie romance.

Also. Kelly.

[morbidest2]

beating WK lev 3 is a real achievement in SoA. If you succeed in doing it, I feel sorry for Jon I. when you finally catch up with him. I assume you have a save at the end of level 2; if you get back to the NEWS hall in your wanderings be sure to save there just in case.

[Spiffy McBang]

I see what you mean about level 3. I found a room I just do not want to screw with right now. Off to smash Bodhi in the face.

Also, all my money just disappeared. O.o Rather, it seems to have vanished several saves ago, but while I was in the Keep. I had 100k after buying a couple things from the woman on top of the tower, and it appears to have all gone in the time I went back to sell... because I was trying to sell something they thought was fenced? I can't imagine what else it would be. (Which is terribly ironic, since I've stolen oodles of goods but the thing they wouldn't buy was a halberd I found in WK and most absolutely did not steal.)

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Yes, there is a halberd that is incorrectly flagged as stolen (unless you install an unofficial patch).

You may have fallen victim to a Wild Surge though. Level 3 of Watchers Keep entails rooms that have every spell you cast behave as if you were a were a wild mage, I.E.: randomly (for example destroying your gold).

[Carinna]

Spiffy McBang wrote...
Is that what happens if you let his father bully him into killing that guy?  I talked him out of it.

Anomen single-mindedly kills that family whether you talk him out of it or not.  He does it right away if you don't talk him out of it (he doesn't kill the guy, just his innocent daughter! - to prove a point).  If you talk him out of it, later he discovers that they really WERE behind his sister's death and he goes back - and I think kills everyone except one person (and if you don't talk him off the ledge then, he'll kill the last person too).  This last (going back and killing even after his test is passed) I think only happens if you're romancing him; the idea being that you succeed in the romance if you stick with him through this and tell him you love him anyway and everything is okay (which no sane person would ever do in real life).  It's sick - I was horrified at the responses I had to make to keep him in the party (because if the romance dies at that time, I think he leaves the party for good too).  Of course, I was repulsed by the choices I had to make to romance him in the first place (would have run away in real life), but like you mentioned, he is the only canon choice for a female to romance.

Like I said, I did the Edwin romance and liked it a lot (he's not as insufferable as he is in the vanilla game), but even in real life, I excuse a lot for someone if they're also smart and witty (which Anomen is not).  With the option to turn him neutral, you don't even have to play in evil mode (which I don't like doing).

There are other romance mods, but they involve original characters, and I'm leery of ending up with a male Mary Sue.  But some other people have played them - ask around if you think you might be interested.  Certainly having the PC able to romance another character adds to the interest of the game.

[Grond0]

If you really have no option about Anomen killing the family it sounds like your installation is bugged. I did once allow him to take this evil path just to see what happened, but normally feel that leaving them alone fits better with the character concept (whether in a romance or not).

[Carinna]

Grond0 wrote...

If you really have no option about Anomen killing the family it sounds like your installation is bugged. I did once allow him to take this evil path just to see what happened, but normally feel that leaving them alone fits better with the character concept (whether in a romance or not).

No, this isn't about the good vs. bad path for him.  It's just regarding the romance.

For everyone, romance or not, if you choose the bad path, Anomen rushes off to take revenge and kills the guy's daughter.  You can then talk him out of killing anyone else if you want.  But he'll fail the test.

For everyone, romance or not, if you choose the good path, Anomen does not kill anyone in that family and goes on to pass his test.

For the romance only, if Anomen has failed his test, he will later find out that the guy didn't really have anything to do with his sister's death at all and that he killed the innocent girl for no reason.  Much angst follows, and I assume the PC has to talk him off the edge at the time or risk him leaving the party (not to mention the romance).

For the romance only, if Anomen has passed his test, he will later find out that the guy really IS responsible for his sister's death at which points he jumps off the deep end and leaves the party (he says where he is going so you can follow).  If you meet up with him at the guy's house in the Bridge District, you'll find that Anomen has already killed at least one, but I think most, member of the family.  At least one is left; he's about to kill that one when you arrive.  You can then talk him out of killing whoever is left, and he will stay with the party and romance.  Or not, and you can lose him as a party member forever and lose the romance.  There may be an option to keep him as a party member and ditch the romance, but I don't remember (and I'm never playing an Anomen romance again).

Keep in mind that even with the romance going, you may never see either of these options if you go through the game quickly enough, since the romances are all set to a real-time counter.

edited: I just cannot type today

Modifié par Carinna, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Spiffy McBang]

Now that you bring it up, I do vaguely recall Anomen losing his mind when I played long ago. God, what a scrub. I wish I could have found a weapon for Jaheira to use earlier on, but I wound up letting her go because she was plain useless except as a damage sink (a half-druid and a half-cleric didn't seem like enough healing with zero offense coming out of J in fights requiring magic damage). Damn.

But... I just started TOB, and discovered the part about pulling people in from SoA to help you. So I grabbed Edwin and will now leave him to rot in hell. It feels kind of good.

Modifié par Spiffy McBang, 18 octobre 2011 - 06:47 .