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all the griffins have left/are extinct (perhaps they tasted too good)/invisible etc
only grey wardens can ride them, what do the hoi polloi like royalty do?

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TanyaT wrote...

all the griffins have left/are extinct (perhaps they tasted too good)/invisible etc
only grey wardens can ride them, what do the hoi polloi like royalty do?


Stick feathers on a bronto and call it a land-griffon?

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ReallyRue wrote...

TanyaT wrote...

all the griffins have left/are extinct (perhaps they tasted too good)/invisible etc
only grey wardens can ride them, what do the hoi polloi like royalty do?


Stick feathers on a bronto and call it a land-griffon?

:lol:

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Disregarding the resources it would take to implement NPCs riding horses in cutscenes, if you show people riding mounts, or show mounts in action, people will want them.

And people want many things in games they never get (either because it's too resource-intensive or these resources are assigned to other areas deemed more important)  The point is, if devs are capable of making such tough calls regarding different areas of their games and implement things partially (if just at first) instead of doing it either fully or not at all... i'm not sure why the riddable horses out of all things have to be treated like sacred cows rather than equines.

Perhaps the non-riddable horses could be given sunglasses, as a hint.

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I must add than Orlais has the famed Chevaliers, which, as the name implies, need a "cheval" (horse) to ride...

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Rakhasa wrote...

I must add than Orlais has the famed Chevaliers, which, as the name implies, need a "cheval" (horse) to ride...

but are they French or Orlesian? Un cheval might mean a goat to them .....

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The word "chevalier" implies a mount? Interesting! As a swede I always assumed it was the same as a swedish word that sounds very similar, which basically means "handsome/polite/majestic man." I figured it was fitting, Orlesian soldiers and all.

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To the Makermobile!...

I support the Makermobile! =D

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TanyaT wrote...
how do the well heeled travel long distances, or wing messages back and forth from Kirkwall to Denerim?


By ship, presumably, as both are port cities.

Horses do exist in the world as well, though we've yet to get the chance to put them in a game (someday!). The chevaliers are mounted knights, for instance.

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).

Modifié par David Gaider, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .


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David Gaider wrote...

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).


Is that sound, writing or image sending?

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David Gaider wrote...

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).


Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:52 .


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David Gaider wrote...

TanyaT wrote...
how do the well heeled travel long distances, or wing messages back and forth from Kirkwall to Denerim?


By ship, presumably, as both are port cities.

Horses do exist in the world as well, though we've yet to get the chance to put them in a game (someday!). The chevaliers are mounted knights, for instance.

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).


This is interesting. I was assuming birds similar to homing pidgeons or like the ravens in Game of Thrones.

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The Grey Nayr wrote...
Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?


It's expensive because it takes effort and the Circle of Magi is not a telegraph office-- they have better things to do than deliver messages. More often than not this sort of communication is reserved for official business.

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David Gaider wrote...

TanyaT wrote...
how do the well heeled travel long distances, or wing messages back and forth from Kirkwall to Denerim?


By ship, presumably, as both are port cities.

Horses do exist in the world as well, though we've yet to get the chance to put them in a game (someday!). The chevaliers are mounted knights, for instance.

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).

cheers!
I dont mind not seeing them, don't expect to see Alisatir mounted on a horse (he'd probably fall off) or sitting in a carriage waving (ugh), or have to use one (damn difficult to get to grips with).
I was just curious when I replayed Awakening and the daft dwarf asked for a pony, but I hadn't heard mention of them.

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I knew there was a reason why my warden mage was robbing everybody blind s/he wants to be able to afford those stones... er maybe s/he just stole them already. And now I know why my Hawke was accumulating gold to. hahaha.

I always thought the darkspawn should have some tainted horses. *smirks* I always assumed there were horses and other beasts of burden, but game mechanics just didn't allow for them. It would be nice to see some, even if we can't ride them. Of course if I want to ride a horse there are games that allow for that. LOL!

Modifié par DreGregoire, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:57 .


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David Gaider wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?


It's expensive because it takes effort and the Circle of Magi is not a telegraph office-- they have better things to do than deliver messages. More often than not this sort of communication is reserved for official business.


With the end of DA2, I wonder if that "offical buissness" now includes, "The Templars of coming! The Templars are coming!".

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David Gaider wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?


It's expensive because it takes effort and the Circle of Magi is not a telegraph office-- they have better things to do than deliver messages. More often than not this sort of communication is reserved for official business.


What exactly does a Circle mage have to buy, anyway? There is no Circle Mall, as far as I remember. Are they forced to hand over their earnings to the templars?

<_< *hates the templars*

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Everwarden wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?


It's expensive because it takes effort and the Circle of Magi is not a telegraph office-- they have better things to do than deliver messages. More often than not this sort of communication is reserved for official business.


What exactly does a Circle mage have to buy, anyway? There is no Circle Mall, as far as I remember. Are they forced to hand over their earnings to the templars?


I don't think the mages are the ones handling the contracts, nor recieve the payments. What is it a circle mage needs to buy?

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Herr Uhl wrote...

I don't think the mages are the ones handling the contracts, nor recieve the payments. What is it a circle mage needs to buy?


Exactly my point. They're slaves.

...how the hell does -anyone- support the Templars? It's ridiculous! 

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Exactly my point. They're slaves.

...how the hell does -anyone- support the Templars? It's ridiculous!


Beats supporting those apostate nutjobs in DAO and DA2...

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Beats supporting those apostate nutjobs in DAO and DA2...


In Origins the mages were fairly reasonable, with the exception of a very small minority. The small minority, by the way, managed to completely ruin the Templar's day and take the tower. 

Templars are slavers and they're clearly ineffective in an emergency. "Bar the door and cry for help!" isn't exactly a sound plan to deal with emergencies. The tower walls are made of rock, after all. I'm pretty sure the mages could just blast through them if the door somehow holds. 

In Dragon Age 2 there was a very obvious effort to make mages look cartoonishly evil. It worked, at the cost of the world no longer being believable. 

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David Gaider wrote...

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).

If the Circles have those, why didn't Orsino use "his" at the end of DAII instead of sending several mages out of Kirkwall?

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David Gaider wrote...

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).

If the Circles have those, why didn't Orsino use "his" at the end of DAII instead of sending several mages out of Kirkwall?

Probably because he was crazy. After all, almost immediately following him sending the mages away, he turned into a Harvester and attacked Hawke for no apparent reason, so he was obviously not working on logic that day.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 22 octobre 2011 - 03:10 .


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David Gaider wrote...

TanyaT wrote...
how do the well heeled travel long distances, or wing messages back and forth from Kirkwall to Denerim?


By ship, presumably, as both are port cities.

Horses do exist in the world as well, though we've yet to get the chance to put them in a game (someday!). The chevaliers are mounted knights, for instance.

Beyond that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really gone into at length in the lore).



Sending stones? I just had a Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn moment now:

Image IPB


That's the only place I've ever seen the concept of a sending stone used before, so I have no idea if this is a common thing used in stories.

How do the mages communicate? Telepathically like in Radiant Dawn? Shouting into the stone? And how long have sending stones been in Thedas? Since the time of the Imperium?


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If the Circles have those, why didn't Orsino use "his" at the end of DAII instead of sending several mages out of Kirkwall?



Because that would've made too much sense for him to do something that was actually sane and not end up becoming a gameplay boss.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 22 octobre 2011 - 05:13 .


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David Gaider wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Is it expensive because it's hard to do or is it just that the Circle has some sort of monopoly and can put any price they want on it?


It's expensive because it takes effort and the Circle of Magi is not a telegraph office-- they have better things to do than deliver messages. More often than not this sort of communication is reserved for official business.

Surely groups like the Grey Wardens would want to take advantage of that, have some in-house magical message service.
Do other groups have such things, or is the level of effort involed prohibitive?


Kaiser Shepard wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Beyond
that, the Circles of Magi do offer a means of quick communication
through their sending stones-- doing so is expensive and not a means
available to just anyone, but it is an option (if not one we've really
gone into at length in the lore).

If the Circles have those,
why didn't Orsino use "his" at the end of DAII instead of sending
several mages out of Kirkwall?

If he had it I suspect he would rather use the energy to fight. But I doubt he would be allowed free access to it with things as they were.

Modifié par Knight Templar , 22 octobre 2011 - 05:46 .


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Everwarden wrote...

What exactly does a Circle mage have to buy, anyway? There is no Circle Mall, as far as I remember. Are they forced to hand over their earnings to the templars?

<_< *hates the templars*


I would imagine the money would go toward the upkeep of the circle itself. You know, providing all those mages with food and clothing and necessary supplies for day to day living. Not to mention repairs, lyrium, enchanting ingredients, keeping the library up to date and in good repair, funds and supplies for mages to go on their various trips and expeditions, etc.