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[Zakatak757]

If Harbinger gets replaced, he DAMN WELL better be replaced by the giant running shoe in the background! Alternatively, the box-shaped one with a nose on it.



Something I noticed about the supposed "Harbinger" image I posted last page. Anybody else find that he looks 'simpler' or 'primitive' compared to the rest of the Reapers? Perhaps he was the first ever forged?

Modifié par Zakatak757, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:25 .

[Annihilator27]

I hope not.It was only ruined by his dialogue and how you constantly killed It when controlled something lol.

[Annihilator27]

Zakatak757 wrote...

If Harbinger gets replaced, he DAMN WELL better be replaced by the giant running shoe in the background! Alternatively, the box-shaped one with a nose on it.

*Snip*

Something I noticed about the supposed "Harbinger" image I posted last page. Anybody else find that he looks 'simpler' or 'primitive' compared to the rest of the Reapers? Perhaps he was the first ever forged?

Both pictures that you posted is Harbinger. Simpler? How so?

[FSOAH]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Something I noticed about the supposed "Harbinger" image I posted last page. Anybody else find that he looks 'simpler' or 'primitive' compared to the rest of the Reapers? Perhaps he was the first ever forged?

Damn. Never realized the Reapers were so different.

I'm really hoping that Harbinger wasn't no "special" reaper. Sovereign said they were all independent and so on, thought that fitted them best.

[Sailears]

Well not really, unless it makes sense.

Harbinger has its place, but it seriously needs to be made a lot more intimitading. For the most part in ME2 Harbinger was almost a parody of the reapers, a joke.
The conversation on arrival made me ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png with the cheesiness (yes call me elitist, whatever...).


From a concept which was pretty deep for a videogame story (yes even including the husks and asari! ), I feel it sadly became watered down to the usual excuse for having some big bad antagonist to motivate the player, and this is very much attributed to the impression Harbinger gave in ME2 (never mind things like scions and praetorians).

I appreciate a game, and especially one as heavily focused on combat as mass effect, needs to have opponents for the player to triumph against. But now I feel to an extent the reasons for these opponents is more greatly affected by the need for engaging combat, rather than them fitting into a believable and deep story.

Don't get me wrong, it's still enjoyable and I'm sure ME3 will be extremely fun to play.
Whether it will "touch my mind" and leave a lasting impression, remains to be seen.

[Zakatak757]

Watch the 'bad' Arrival ending.



Go to the slow-motion part at 0:22 and slowly flip through the vision, frame by frame. You can see Harbinger (and some weirdly designed Reapers) in many of the frames (particularly at about 0:38:12, estimated) you can see Harbinger.

I suppose it is obvious he plays a big role. Hopefully he will be a LOT more intimidating.

[Funkcase]

No I dont want him replaced, he wasn't as good as Sovereign, but he's still pretty cool, and it would be a kick in the teeth if I cant take my frustrations out on the Reaper who was mocking me throughout ME2. I would like to hear more Reapers in ME3 though, getting to hear from several Reapers will be interesting. So no, dont replace him, add more Reapers, just try to make them as intimidating as Sovereign. One strange thing is Harbinger sounded more human, just with a deep voice, Sovereign sounded mysterious, and most of all he sounded like a machine, Harbinger did not.

Sovereign


Harbinger

Modifié par Funkcase, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Savber100]

I'm pretty sure we won't be complaining of what Harbinger is saying when we watch him single-handedly tear up our entire galactic fleet.

[Medhia Nox]

What's weird - is that they seems have have gotten their words mixed up.

Why was the "harbinger" of the Reapers named Sovereign...

And why was the "sovereign" (the leader) of the Reapers named Harbinger?

It's like driveway and parkway.

Discuss.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:05 .

[Zakatak757]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What's weird - is that they seems have have gotten their words mixed up.

Why was the "harbinger" of the Reapers named Sovereign...

And why was the "sovereign" (the leader) of the Reapers named Harbinger?

It's like driveway and parkway.

Discuss.

Technically it is Nazara, but whatever...

Sovereign is the name the Geth gave Nazara. And Harbinger... eh... I guess Shep just decided to call him Harbinger because "he is the Harbinger of our perfection".

Are ships named after the species they were constructed from?

[CrazyRah]

In ME2 he's a big whiny and annoying kid.
He got to change from that or i rather have a Reaper that's atleast a tiny bit scary and not facepalm worthy

[Medhia Nox]

@Zakatak757: I was talking about Bioware - there's really no "in game" reason for those names - so the strangeness lies totally with Bioware's use of the words.

[essarr71]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Zakatak757: I was talking about Bioware - there's really no "in game" reason for those names - so the strangeness lies totally with Bioware's use of the words.

Would you prefer if Harby was named Bill?

As it was stated, Sovereign wasn't its actual name, and was given a new one because those indocrtinated by him saw Sov as a ruler.  Harby IS a harbinger, even if we knew Sov.. Harb might also be a Sov too, but not a Naz.

[eternalnightmare13]

Harbinger was an annoying **** in ME2.  It wouldn't make any sense to put in a new 'head honcho' but giving him some better dialgoue/personality would be a vast improvement.  Also I ****ing hate the term 'retcon'. 

Zakatak757 wrote...

I know ME2 really worked Harby up as "the big cheese" of the Reapers, a leader of sorts. Unfortunately, he is also the most pitiful enemy in the entire series. Would you sacrifice consistency to either a) Have a new Reaper be referred as the "leader" or Retcon/change Harby's personality or c) Remove him entirely.

I will punch a child if I hear any more of this in ME3. Copypasta time...

“This hurts you.”
“This is true power.”
“We fight as one.”
“You cannot resist.”
“This is what you face.”
“The forces of the universe bend to me.”
“Our power is unmatched.”
“Nothing stands against us.”
“Face your annihilation.”
“You are bacteria.”
“You are shortsighted.”
“Irrelevant.”
“Pitiful.”
“These attacks are pointless.”
“This body does not matter.”
“The flesh is a machine.”
“You are vermin.”
"We will end you.”
"They are bacteria.”
“We are unstoppable.”
“Evolution cannot be stopped.”
“They will be as we are.”
“They are vermin.”
“We are the beginning, you are the end.”
“We are superior.”
"Swarm their position.”
"Overwhelm them.”
“Fight as one.”
“Surround them.”
“Relinquish your form to us.”
“You prolong the inevitable.”
“Your death is assured.”
“Embrace perfection.”
“Hope is irrelevant.”
“I sense your weakness.”
“I will show you true power.”
“Your attacks are primitive.”
“You cannot sustain your attack.”
“This delay is pointless.”
“There is no fear.”
“Your attack is an insult.”
“You are no longer relevant.”

[Alexy]

I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF BETTER PHRASES

...couldn't resist

[Robhuzz]

Savber100 wrote...

I'm pretty sure we won't be complaining of what Harbinger is saying when we watch him single-handedly tear up our entire galactic fleet.

*While harbinger is destroying an entire fleet*

"Your attack is an insult"
"You are bacteria"
"Where is your fleet now Shepard"
"Sentient beings need never fear pain"
"We are the harbinger of your destruction"

[fern222]

Sovereign > Harbinasfkjnkf

[Computer_God91]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

What's weird - is that they seems have have gotten their words mixed up.

Why was the "harbinger" of the Reapers named Sovereign...

And why was the "sovereign" (the leader) of the Reapers named Harbinger?

It's like driveway and parkway.

Discuss.

Technically it is Nazara, but whatever...

Sovereign is the name the Geth gave Nazara. And Harbinger... eh... I guess Shep just decided to call him Harbinger because "he is the Harbinger of our perfection".

Are ships named after the species they were constructed from?

No Saren gave Soveriegn his name. Because he felt Nazara was a supreme ruler, a soveriegn.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:20 .

[Meshaber]

staindgrey wrote...

Wow. I hope you copypasta'd that ****.

Harby doesn't need "replaced" so much as moved out of the picture entirely. He was orchestrating the Collectors; it was his task. Much like Sovereign had his task. I'd be horribly disappointed if Harby actually turned out to be a Reaper "leader" of sorts, rather than just the one designated to the lousy job of managing Collectors.

The Reapers should be an ominous, omnipotent force, not a character with a voice.

This.

I never understood why Harbinger is taken to be the leader of the reapers by some people, he was in charge of the collectors operation. No more.

[Computer_God91]

As for if I think he should be replaced? Yes, Harbinger was in charge of the Collectors. They are dead, there is no reason to hear from him in ME3. Bring in someone who is as menacing as Sovereign was.

Also I think the Reaper leader idea needs to get canned. I've always hated "leaders" when they aren't needed. Like Zombie movies and there is a lead zombie. NO! I don't need that, it's dumb. So let us talk to many Reapers not just one.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Hathur]

I have no qualms with Harbinger being the "lead baddie" or whatever... boss of the reapers, etc.

I only hope the writers give him more menacing lines so he comes off less as a petulant child and more as an omnipotent bringer of doom & terror. 

The concept for Harbinger was sound... I just felt the execution was a smidge lacking is all. A final confrontation with him / it would also be satisfying I think.

I soooo wanna punch him in the nose  ..... (do reapers have noses?  )

Modifié par Hathur, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:28 .

[BobTheAndroid]

My ideal ME 3 opening:

Harbinger ram itself into the Illusive Man 's ship and killing both of them in the process.
After that none of them will be mentiond ever again.

And than the intro can start.

[sorentoft]

Yes. 'cus he's cute.