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[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

That's assuming Daro'Xen can be trusted with them.

Of-course she can. Why would you doubt her? He desires for the geth have been clearly laid out, as have her methods.

Well gosh, SD, maybe because of that grandiose e-mail of her's about how humans had the choice to join her but now "will watch from a distance as the quarian people reclaim not just their homeworld, but the largest synthetic army in the galaxy."

No, no visions of grandeur there. Just a sweet little old lady with the best of intentions.

Modifié par Thompson family, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:41 .

[D.Kain]

mauro2222 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

There is only one thing I don't understand about geth, what was their problem in serving quarians? What they actually CARE what they do? I don't think that they get tired or need to have fun, so what's the problem of serving somebody? It's not like quarinas made them to destroy them.

They don't mind "helping", they don't want to be treated as slaves or servants.

How can an AI CARE about how it is treated? It doesn't have emotions. The only thing AI can care about is not being destroyed, being a servant shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they FEEL better if they are treated differentely.

[Destroy Raiden_]

As much as I hate it I would give them the benefit of the doubt solely because of how Legion has interacted with us thus far in the game now if he reveals what he said was a lie and he really is a heretic and then him + his geth gang proceed to try to slaughter everyone then I'll worry about using my stealth ship (or making a smaller one) to destroy their sphere. But given the in game evidence so far Xen is more of a galactic threat with her power tripping ways then they are.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 17 octobre 2011 - 03:48 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

D.Kain wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

There is only one thing I don't understand about geth, what was their problem in serving quarians? What they actually CARE what they do? I don't think that they get tired or need to have fun, so what's the problem of serving somebody? It's not like quarinas made them to destroy them.

They don't mind "helping", they don't want to be treated as slaves or servants.

How can an AI CARE about how it is treated? It doesn't have emotions. The only thing AI can care about is not being destroyed, being a servant shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they FEEL better if they are treated differently.

I think BW wanted to play off the whole man build super intelligent computers and they become so powerful they can destroy man type of thing except replace man with Quarians and then replace can become with already did and killed trillions plus Quarians in the process. I really don't get the whole they care about being worked too hard sense they don't feel strain, or pain, or anything maybe the humanity or Quarianity? rubbed off on them and they thought they should be just like them? independent with no masters.  

[Yakko77]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I won't kill the geth if I can achieve peace instead. Legion working with us in ME2, and Tali being willing to share data with him/it, proved that they can get along with organics. Besides, they could be useful against the Reapers; I'm sure letting them live will raise our "galactic readiness level".

Pretty much my reason for keeping them too.  Their fleet size is speculated to be massive and could come in handy methinks.  Heck, I even saved the DA in ME1 with the sole reasoning that it'd likely come in handy in ME2 or 3 so hopefully in ME3 the DA will make a better showing.

Modifié par Yakko77, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[GoG ToXiC]

The quarians panicked, the geth overreacted. Both races were at fault, both deserve a second chance.

[Zakatak757]

If the Geth created a Dyson Sphere, that would make them the first Type II civilization in Mass Effect (Reapers being a possible Type III). Technology is power in this universe, and the Geth have it.

They are a valuable ally against the Reapers, and have absolutely ZERO reason to attack us if we don't interfere with what they do, post-invasion.

[Yakko77]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

The quarians panicked, the geth overreacted. Both races were at fault, both deserve a second chance.

There you go making sense.  We can't have that on the internet.  You're grounded.  Go to your room and think about what you've done!

[GoG ToXiC]

Yakko77 wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

The quarians panicked, the geth overreacted. Both races were at fault, both deserve a second chance.

There you go making sense.  We can't have that on the internet.  You're grounded.  Go to your room and think about what you've done!

They should like totaly makez peaces and stuffz.  The quarians are like gypsy space chickens and should be peaceful like earth hippies and the geth are like their faithful robotronic sidekickz.  It only makez senze for themz to makez peace, right?  Why am I even asking you?  I'm on the interwebz which meanz I'm alwayz rightz.  My opinionz are lawz, you will bowz to me az though I werez a god.

How was that, better?

[Yakko77]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

The quarians panicked, the geth overreacted. Both races were at fault, both deserve a second chance.

There you go making sense.  We can't have that on the internet.  You're grounded.  Go to your room and think about what you've done!

They should like totaly makez peaces and stuffz.  The quarians are like gypsy space chickens and should be peaceful like earth hippies and the geth are like their faithful robotronic sidekickz.  It only makez senze for themz to makez peace, right?  Why am I even asking you?  I'm on the interwebz which meanz I'm alwayz rightz.  My opinionz are lawz, you will bowz to me az though I werez a god.

How was that, better?

Impressive!

[GoG ToXiC]

Yakko77 wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

The quarians panicked, the geth overreacted. Both races were at fault, both deserve a second chance.

There you go making sense.  We can't have that on the internet.  You're grounded.  Go to your room and think about what you've done!

They should like totaly makez peaces and stuffz.  The quarians are like gypsy space chickens and should be peaceful like earth hippies and the geth are like their faithful robotronic sidekickz.  It only makez senze for themz to makez peace, right?  Why am I even asking you?  I'm on the interwebz which meanz I'm alwayz rightz.  My opinionz are lawz, you will bowz to me az though I werez a god.

How was that, better?

Impressive!

I try my best.  In fact, I thinkz I'z am alreadyz to be acceptedz to interwebz societiez.

[mauro2222]

D.Kain wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

There is only one thing I don't understand about geth, what was their problem in serving quarians? What they actually CARE what they do? I don't think that they get tired or need to have fun, so what's the problem of serving somebody? It's not like quarinas made them to destroy them.

They don't mind "helping", they don't want to be treated as slaves or servants.

How can an AI CARE about how it is treated? It doesn't have emotions. The only thing AI can care about is not being destroyed, being a servant shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they FEEL better if they are treated differentely.

They know that they are treated differently, they know that being servants means that they are all expendable, that goes against basic survival.

Modifié par mauro2222, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

FAte of hte Geth? Oblivion, if I have any say.

I detest the "enemies in previous game - but oh. The'y not that bad. Just misunderstood in the sequel" cliche

[mauro2222]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

FAte of hte Geth? Oblivion, if I have any say.

I detest the "enemies in previous game - but oh. The'y not that bad. Just misunderstood in the sequel" cliche

You know, everything is cliche <_<

[AquamanOS]

D.Kain wrote...
How can an AI CARE about how it is treated? It doesn't have emotions. The only thing AI can care about is not being destroyed, being a servant shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they FEEL better if they are treated differentely.

It's actually suggested they didn't. Qurian's simply assumed they'd have a problem with being slaves and moved to wipe them all out. The Geth only resisted on being destroyed.

On the other hand it's suggested the Geth, or at least Legion so have some form of emotions. As seen when Shepard asks Legion why it choose to use Shepard's armor to repair itself and Legion fails to come up with a response before meekly muttering no data available.

Furthermore EDI develops a sense of humor, goes from professional to friendly with Joker, and becomes loyal to the crew over Cerberus once she's un restrained.

Who's to say AI's can't develop emotions.

[D.Kain]

AquamanOS wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
How can an AI CARE about how it is treated? It doesn't have emotions. The only thing AI can care about is not being destroyed, being a servant shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they FEEL better if they are treated differentely.

It's actually suggested they didn't. Qurian's simply assumed they'd have a problem with being slaves and moved to wipe them all out. The Geth only resisted on being destroyed.

On the other hand it's suggested the Geth, or at least Legion so have some form of emotions. As seen when Shepard asks Legion why it choose to use Shepard's armor to repair itself and Legion fails to come up with a response before meekly muttering no data available.

Furthermore EDI develops a sense of humor, goes from professional to friendly with Joker, and becomes loyal to the crew over Cerberus once she's un restrained.

Who's to say AI's can't develop emotions.

Stupid quarians lol.

But, the fact that AI develop emotions is... strange. I think one needs hormones and chemical reactions in the brains to feel emotions. AI are not organic, and don't have those reactions.

[AquamanOS]

No but AI's have a totally different mental makeup than an organic brain anyway. They might have developed their own ways to feel emotions. They aren't just solely according to programming because that's just a VI. AI's are supposed to be able to think and decide on their own, which could potentially allow for them to feel emotions.

[SkittlesKat96]

The Geth don't wish to harm other civilizations, if given they chance they would just stay isolated from the rest of the galaxy and live without other civilizations tampering with them and stuff.

They have little need for the Quarian homeworlds (none at all really, though they do strip the asteroids in the systems for resources.)

Still though its possible that the Geth may still be a threat. We saw how the Reapers easily swayed some of the Geth to their side, and we've seen how deadly and efficient the Geth are. So you still have to consider destroying or enslaving the Reapers...

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:04 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I wonder if we can play a Shep that detests all forms of AI and wants to eradicate all of them.

That's a rethorical question mind you - we can't.

[nelly21]

The geth are amoral, meaning that lying, cheating, murder, etc. is not off the table because they see everything through mathematical equations. If they can gain a more advantageous position through treachery, they will do so because when you remove morality (the value of good vs. bad) all you are left with is advantageous vs. disadvantageous.

The geth can be extremely dangerous given their ability to quickly replace their casualties and their advanced tech. Then there's the fact that they are machines and therefore highly susceptible to hacking by the Reapers.

Edit: Then again, you could say a lot of these things for some organics.

Honestly, to me at least, the geth seem to be a larger liability than possible ally.

Modifié par nelly21, 17 octobre 2011 - 12:46 .

[aiDvEoN]

nelly21 wrote...
The geth can be extremely dangerous given their ability to quickly replace their casualties and their advanced tech. Then there's the fact that they are machines and therefore highly susceptible to hacking by the Reapers.

If their creators, who have been trying for 300 years now, can't find a way to hack them, then I don't see how the Reapers are going to be able to do so without direct access to a Geth Hub.  Geth programs are self-correcting.

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

No, no visions of grandeur there. Just a sweet little old lady with the best of intentions.

The best of intentions for her people, yes. It's admirable. She chides humanity for missing its opportunity to take part in the glory and share in the spoils. Pity Shepard wasn't smart enough to pick her side.

You scare me Saphra