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[Nashiktal]

Agreed with saphra. A system is possible. The question isn't can't we, but should we.

Although I am sure there is some repercussion in there somewhere.

[Nashiktal]

Ah but remember that will be quarian power, and their power alone. I doubt xen will share.

[Thompson family]

Left out a couple of points there, SD:

Which is most likely to help all sentient life, including us, from getting exterminated?

Rael'Zorah was working on a weapon to give the Quarians a decisive edge in the battle to take back the homeworld. Xen wants control of the Geth.

In simple terms. it looked like to me that Rael'Zorah was trying to do the modern-day equivalent to radar jamming and putting a virus in the enemy's computers. Xen wants to take full control of the other side's drones and missiles.

After all, if Rael was on the verge of such a dramatic breakthrough as "assuming direct control," there would be no need for the war he and the other admiral were planning, would there?

That's a whole different scale of difficulty, unless I'm missing something.

On top of that, Reapers are making Slurpees out of men, women and children back on Earth and you're worried about which potential ally we ought to eliminate.

Then there's always this:

Which will best relieve our quaking fear and ever-clinging paranoia?

I don't lack the self-confidence to believe that getting both the Quarians and the Geth together, however temporarily, to beat the Reaper threat is possible and that if it is possible, my Shep might be able to pull it off.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No sweety-pie, only the last part there is relevant to the quarians. They are not a selfless people. They can't be. (no species is)

That's funny, Sugar Dumpling. I thought the survival instinct was self interest in it's most pure, undiluted form.

Thompson Family wrote...

Which will best relieve our quaking fear and ever-clinging paranoia?

Stop trying to push your agenda. I pushed no such agenda in the questions I asked. Scum like you belongs on the Admiralty board.

The quarians are not quaking in fear and they are certainly not paranoid. Have you seen what the geth are capable and willing to do?

As opposed to being huskified, melted down or just killed outright?

Modifié par Thompson family, 17 octobre 2011 - 11:12 .

[Medhia Nox]

It truly is interesting what one NPC can do for an entire enemy army. The Geth didn't just kill Quarians... the Heretic Geth killed humans - and Asari - and Turians - etc. etc. etc.

And now - Legion comes along and says - "Yeah, we had nothing to do with them - those were Maytag appliances, we're the Whirlpool Geth - we cool?"

And to prove he's your friend - he feeds what ever organic has as the ultimate weakness - an ego. He lets you choose what to do with those "evil Geth which he no longer has anything to do with".

He really doesn't care what you do with the "broken appliances" - so long as the Whirlpool Geth can join your team and be super best friends and have access to all your computers.

Dragon Age should have a likable Darkspawn. Then we'd have Darkspawntopia and there would be no more Blights!

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Note: I did activate Legion - but I don't trust him.

The reason why he is on board - is actually because, despite myself, I trust EDI. I believe she'll shut the little twit down "if" he tries anything.

Otherwise - I'm willing to accept this story of his until I can see the Quarian homeworld and these good Geth for myself.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:45 .

[Saaziel]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Remember, when the Heretics decided to split off from the Orthodox geth they ALLOWED it. They did this despite knowing exactly what Sovereign was and what the Heretics had in mind.

Why should the Geth have worked on behalf of Organics ?

More to the point: Aren't you the one that said Reapers could not be stopped and it was preferable for humanity to be a Reaper.

Seems like they did the perfectly logical thing , according to your past statements.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes and survival for the quarians means survival of the quarians. Nothing more, nothing less. If survival means something that benefits the rest of the galaxy too then that's great, but it is not the end itself.

Nice logic there, but you gloss over the point is that survival is a prerequisite to any other attainable end.

Thompson family wrote...

As opposed to being huskified, melted down or just killed outright?

Does that have anything to do with this thread? No? I thought not. So stop trying to deflect.

Well, SD, the last time I checked the title of the thread was "The Geth's fate in ME3." The first sentence was "I would not be suprised if there was an option to destroy the geth in mass effect 3." I'd quote more of it, but you get the point.

Who's going to destroy the Geth, either physically or subverting them back to controlled sub-sentient tools? That would be the Quarians under the leadership of your beloved Adm. Xen. Minutes ago, you were arguing in favor of the Quarians doing exactly that. My argument is that a greater threat faces both.

Obviously you think the quarians have no good reason to fear the geth.

You're all the way into flaming misrepresentation there, SD. I've posted on this forum dozens of times that the severe and justified lack of trust from both sides is what makes the whole problem so fascinating. I don't know for a fact that peace is possible. You claim that peace, or even a truce, is not only impossible, you don't even want to explore the possibility.

Your serious misrepresentation of my view means the rest of your argument follows a false premise, so I didn't address it.

Modifié par Thompson family, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Saaziel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Why should the Geth have worked on behalf of Organics ?

For their own survival, like they're doing now.

Again ; According to you, Reapers cannot be stopped. Intervening against would have been suicidal rather than beneficial.

Modifié par Saaziel, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:47 .

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You can make a good case for activating Legion. However I think people don't look too closely into what he tells you. Remember, when the Heretics decided to split off from the Orthodox geth they ALLOWED it. They did this despite knowing exactly what Sovereign was and what the Heretics had in mind.

They are NOT our friends.

That's actually a very good point. Begs the question, though, of how much Sovereign shared with the Heretics.

[GoG ToXiC]

Saphra, I don't see why any of your points are relevant. You yourself believe that the reapers are an indomitable force that cannot be beat, so why would you even bother trying to hack the geth. Evidently it will not make a difference (according to you) and if you want to turn humanity into a reaper and join their ranks, would it not be better to destabilize the galaxy so the reapers lose less ships and your future team will be stronger instead of weaker next time around?

[FFinfinity1]

I want them to finish their Dyson Sphere, and possibly have Shepard save it from destruction by the reapers. Not all Geth are bad and I'd like to see some sort of happy ending or resolution to them and perhaps the Quarians.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

You can make a good case for activating Legion. However I think people don't look too closely into what he tells you. Remember, when the Heretics decided to split off from the Orthodox geth they ALLOWED it. They did this despite knowing exactly what Sovereign was and what the Heretics had in mind.

They are NOT our friends.

I don't care what anyone says legion is my FWIEND!

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FFinfinity1 wrote...

I want them to finish their Dyson Sphere, and possibly have Shepard save it from destruction by the reapers. Not all Geth are bad and I'd like to see some sort of happy ending or resolution to them and perhaps the Quarians.

They are only two geth aren't there? The heretics and the originals, like legion said- "we are all geth"

[GoG ToXiC]

Saphra Deden wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Saphra, I don't see why any of your points are relevant. You yourself believe that the reapers are an indomitable force that cannot be beat, so why would you even bother trying to hack the geth.

It seems people keep missing the part where I said "If we pretend we are quarians for a moment..."

For you see, my personal beliefs about the Reapers have no bearing on the quarians or on what they want for their people or how they should get there.

It's an entirely separate discussion anyway.

I was talking about quarians and geth here, not Reapers and the future of the galaxy as a whole. Just the quarians and what they want and how they might decide to get there.

I wasn't necessarily referenceing that point.  You've also mentioned that your Shepard would help Xen.

Modifié par GoG ToXiC, 18 octobre 2011 - 06:06 .

[GoG ToXiC]

Saphra Deden wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

You've also mentioned that your Shepard would help Xen.  I wasn't necessarily referenceing that point.

In theory he would, but he didn't in ME2 so I guess that actually he wouldn't. What does this have to do with what you said though?

My post was in specific reference to your desire to assist Xen in her efforts.  I was merely observing that this course of action would be non-beneficial to your overall goal of assimilating humanity into the reaper fleet.