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[GoG ToXiC]

Saphra Deden wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

My post was in specific reference to your desire to assist Xen in her efforts.  I was merely observing that this course of action would be non-beneficial to your overall goal of assimilating humanity into the reaper fleet.

I don't want to assimilate humanity into the Reaper fleet. You don't understand my position very well. I can obliterate the Reapers I'll be glad to do it. After that, rewriting the geth through Xen will be an important step on the path toward a marvelous future.

Do you plan on rewriting them before or after the reaper war (if you decided that you could somehow win)?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nashiktal wrote...

Agreed with saphra. A system is possible. The question isn't can't we, but should we.

Although I am sure there is some repercussion in there somewhere.

Yes. Yes we should.

Toasters are made to serve man(quarian in this case).

[Robuthad]

But alas our toasters cannot make decisions and reason. Also our toasters don't have the ability to kill us if they get mad. Or build ships haha

[HK01]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Agreed with saphra. A system is possible. The question isn't can't we, but should we.

Although I am sure there is some repercussion in there somewhere.

Yes. Yes we should.

Toasters are made to serve man(quarian in this case).

Yes indeed. And while we're at it we should conduct research into the Thorian spores and eventually force all sentient species into servitude

Seriously, that's wrong. The Geth are sentient life forms now and they're rather peaceful. They only fought wars twice in their three hundred year history, once for survival since the Quarians planned on killing them all and once because some of them were rewritten by Sovereign and consequently acted against their nature. They're even willing to return the Quarian homeworld IIRC, so there's absolutely no reason to destroy them.

Oh yeah, and if the whole rewriting thing doesn't work...the Quarians would probably be wiped off the face of the galaxy. It's really a miracle that the Geth haven't pursued and destroyed them already since they're well aware that the Quarians still want eradicate them,  but if the Quarians tried to re-enslave them that would surely change.

Modifié par HK01, 18 octobre 2011 - 08:05 .

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Seriously, that's wrong. The Geth are sentient life forms now

No they aren't.

Canonically, yeah, they are.  A couple in-world dissenting opinions doesn't invalidate what the devs have said about it, and that is that the geth are sapient.

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

HK01 wrote...

and they're rather peaceful.

Uh, NO, they aren't.

Well, if you're being super strict with your requirments for "peaceful" status, I suppose not.  However, the vast majority are not expansionist or generally aggressive. Territorial, yes, and aggressive in the specific circumstance of border violations, but they haven't gone looking for trouble outside the Veil since the quarians left.  You also certainly can't claim they're particularly interested in picking fights with organics either.  They clearly prefer to avoid us.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 octobre 2011 - 10:12 .

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I won't have them answer philosophical questions for me.

I assume you're perfectly content to accept the other organic races are sapient? If so, then I'd say you will have them answer them for you...when it suits.

[Lotion Soronarr]

HK01 wrote...

Seriously, that's wrong. The Geth are sentient life forms now and they're rather peaceful.

I disagree.
I do not accept sentience in AI.
They are tools without a soul.
Just machines... not really alive...and machines can be broken. (WTF? happened to that Sheppard??? I want him back)

[CptBomBom00]

ME universe its not real? oh noooooooo *crying* and now I known why I can't use silicone to fix my wound.
:-)

[Wulfram]

The Geth show as much evidence of possessing a soul as humans do.

[CptBomBom00]

hhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahah

[mauro2222]

cacharadon wrote...

atheists unite!

Yay!

[CptBomBom00]

or geth transform or lets roll.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arcian wrote...

@Lotion: Man, you REALLY overstate your own value. You are an organic, soulless machine whose evolutionary purpose is to eat, sh!t, breed and die, in that order, all while eradicating other forms of life and intelligence - most of the time from your own species - to protect your own undeserved place in the universe.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

The same holds true for anything the devs say about the Geth.

I don't care what the canon sez.
I disagree with the devs about what makes seomeone sentient, therefore their defintiion of sentient and mine do not match.
And my Shep is free to disbelief whatever he wants.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, and with some work you might get to admit that EDI might be too, as well as any other quantum blue box A.I.. However that is not what geth are. They are purely computer code in its most basic form. I could run a geth on punch cards if I had the time. Or I could just write it down on paper and start giving it inputs and running the geth programs manually. It might take a trillion years, but it would function. In that case, where is the geth mind, the geth being? It's just ink on paper.

That's a well-made argument, SD. On that line of thought, though, I have to ask: Punch cards lack the collective conscious, if that's the right word, of the Geth.

Put another way, there are no Geth, pluarl. "We are all Geth," as Legion puts it.

So there is no sapient life where there is no individuals who are self-aware? That seems to be the argument you're making.

[Dean_the_Young]

Thompson family wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, and with some work you might get to admit that EDI might be too, as well as any other quantum blue box A.I.. However that is not what geth are. They are purely computer code in its most basic form. I could run a geth on punch cards if I had the time. Or I could just write it down on paper and start giving it inputs and running the geth programs manually. It might take a trillion years, but it would function. In that case, where is the geth mind, the geth being? It's just ink on paper.

That's a well-made argument, SD. On that line of thought, though, I have to ask: Punch cards lack the collective conscious, if that's the right word, of the Geth.

Put another way, there are no Geth, pluarl. "We are all Geth," as Legion puts it.

So there is no sapient life where there is no individuals who are self-aware? That seems to be the argument you're making.

Multiple geth are effectively punch-cards that take data inputs from other punch cards.

Or, to go back to pen and paper:

Each geth is an equation with variables for inputs. You can plug an equation in an equation for a more complex equation... but it still remains an equation.

The formula

Y = 5X + Z

is still valid when

X = 29B + 8/3C + K

and

Z = 3X


Is it more complicated? Yes. Does it change the nature of the input/output system? No.