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#126
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SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I like The Geth Abd Quarians, there should be peace. I know many people dislike one or the other. That's though is wrong. I understand the situations of the two. I like them, they should work together for the better. Everyone else they think they are a threat which they are not. All the Species can do much if they work with one another.


How is it wrong that people prefer one over the other? It's just a point of view. What amazes me more is that people might not explore every option the game offers. I'm in the camp of multiple play throughs with as many choices as I can dredge up. Betray the Geth this time? Yep. Quarians get the boot next time? Oh yeah. They all play nice in the next? Might as well.

My canon runs tend to be whatever I want them to be at the time I'm playing them. All are satisfying on some level.

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I like both, but I would keep them from building a Dyson Sphere if I could just so the Geth don't lose the individuality that is slowly starting to sprout among them.

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Sajuro wrote...

I like both, but I would keep them from building a Dyson Sphere if I could just so the Geth don't lose the individuality that is slowly starting to sprout among them.


I think it would be an error to consider the Geth on an individual "Program" or "Platform" basis.

Rather, the total sum of Geth , interacting, is analogue to individuality. Similarly , You are not defined by your DNA , or reduced to a single organ or an arbitrary number of cells; If i'd cut your arm , you'd still remain you. Comparatively , you're neither a single memory , or an amalgamation ; You are an individual in process. Either in interaction or in being remembered.

At least that's how i think about it. The Dyson sphere would simply be an other emergence of Geth; Like a boy becoming a man ... or sphere in this case.

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Shepard's personal lamp.

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that'd be one helluva desk

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There is still the small problem of them being outlawed in council space and the flack I took from my crewmen for trying to reason with the rouge AI on the citadel leads me think they are on a pretty much destroy on contact order.

Will be really interesting to see how this pans out.

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JonnyOwen wrote...

Shepard's personal lamp.


You Sir/maam, win!^_^

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Am I missing something here? A Dyson Sphere is a power source, a method of creating essentially limitless power (in a system). Not a physical object that the geth can 'retreat into.' Does ME have a different definition?

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Jarys wrote...

Am I missing something here? A Dyson Sphere is a power source, a method of creating essentially limitless power (in a system). Not a physical object that the geth can 'retreat into.' Does ME have a different definition?


Maybe, maybe not. Legion never called it a dyson sphere, he just said that was the closest comparison he could make.

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Actually the Geth just built a huge hamster ball and plan on rolling around the galaxy. Legion is actually an idiot and the geth dont know a circle from a square.

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Jarys wrote...

Am I missing something here? A Dyson Sphere is a power source, a method of creating essentially limitless power (in a system). Not a physical object that the geth can 'retreat into.' Does ME have a different definition?


In game, Legion states that the closest analogy we have to what the Geth are building is a Dyson Sphere. Unfortunately, a lot of people dont understand what the word analogy means, and just assume that it will be one.

There are a few people on here who hypothsise that while it will act like a Dyson sphere in terms of power generation, it will, in essence, be a technological singularity.

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Wonder if we get to see this creation in ME3 or atleast the ongoing construction of it

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its it just me that thinks the geth aren't evil they have done nothing evil, the only thing they have done was freed themselves from enslavement by the quarins.

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its it just me that thinks the geth aren't evil they have done nothing evil, the only thing they have done was freed themselves from enslavement by the quarins.


omg ur rite

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DinoSteve wrote...
its it just me that thinks the geth aren't evil they have done nothing evil.

Assuming we're using silly labels such as 'evil' I'm going to assume slaughtering billions of non-combatants qualifies as such.

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Awh but the Geth took real good care of the masters homes and such! As if real good housekeeping for 300 years repays the debt for millions of dead babies. Shame on you, Bad Geth! Bad!

Modifié par Robuthad, 19 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .


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GodWood wrote...

Assuming we're using silly labels such as 'evil' I'm going to assume slaughtering billions of non-combatants qualifies as such.

One-sided arguments, one-sided arguments everywhere.

If you're being relentlessly pursued by someone trying to kill you, would it be more efficient to keep the aggressor at bay with non-lethal methods or shoot out their legs and arms to neutralize them as a threat? The quarians showed no willingness to surrender or stay away if chased away. The only certain way to eliminate the quarians as a valid threat to the geth's existence.

After all, that was the quarians own plan. They wanted to destroy the geth species in order to protect their own existence. The difference here is that the quarians shot first and even admits they did, while there is zero valid evidence that their paranoia over hypothetical geth rebellions was justified.

You don't support quarians because you believe them, you support them because you hate geth. Synthetic racism at it's finest. This goes for 90% of all serious renegades.

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Arcian wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Assuming we're using silly labels such as 'evil' I'm going to assume slaughtering billions of non-combatants qualifies as such.

One-sided arguments, one-sided arguments everywhere.

Oh, here we go.

If you're being relentlessly pursued by someone trying to kill you, would it be more efficient to keep the aggressor at bay with non-lethal methods or shoot out their legs and arms to neutralize them as a threat? The quarians showed no willingness to surrender or stay away if chased away. The only certain way to eliminate the quarians as a valid threat to the geth's existence.

Ok, so basically you acknowledge that the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants.

Cool.

You don't support quarians because you believe them, you support them because you hate geth. Synthetic racism at it's finest. This goes for 90% of all serious renegades.

I do not hate the geth. 
I simply believe they must be exterminated for slaughtering billions of non-combants, commiting wide scale genocide and killing anyone who came near them for 300 years.

Far worse then anything you can pin on TIM or Cerberus.

#144
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Why would you hate a Geth/toaster?

Hate is something to be directed at sentient, living things.

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@GodWood: The slaughter was not in aggression, but in self-defense. What you are suggesting is that the only way the geth could have earned their right to exist is if they willingly let the quarians exterminate them.

If someone was intent on killing my people, I'd damn well protect them, even if it meant pushing the population of my enemies down to a critical level where they are no longer a valid threat. Their lives became forfeit the moment they put their intent to kill into action. Mens rea versus actus reus. In this case, the quarians had malicious intentions and acted upon them, whereas the geth were forced to defend themselves when they would rather have avoided unnecessary bloodshed.

Then again, many claim they are inherently hostile and aggressive because they are fiercely territorial, and that this is justification enough for total extermination. Then again, animals do this very exact thing in the wild because they are perfectly aware of how dangerous and aggressive humans are, but you don't see us driving entire species into extinction because of that?

Ah, but geth are machines. They are soulless tools without worth like us oh-so-useful organics. The fact that they are intelligent and capable of independent thought doesn't matter since metal, glass and polymer are obviously inferior to a mass of automated cells and bodily fluids whose only purpose in the universe is to procreate and consume.

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My answer is going to be a little bit predictable...

There's no way I'd do anything to harm the Geth. The only other race I like as
much are the Krogan (they remind me of the Klingon's). I want them to survive
and prosper in my game. If they want to build and upload into this dyson sphere
thing, good on 'em.

I very much doubt the Geth will become like the Reapers. The two are very
different and with (I suspect) very different origins. The Reapers seem to rely
on harvesting organic races for reproduction while the Geth are self sufficient.
They just want to mind their own business and explore the universe in their own
way.

Modifié par Shermos, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:07 .


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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Why would you hate a Geth/toaster?

Hate is something to be directed at sentient, living things.


you can hate synthetic, my toaster never invaded eden prime or the citadel.

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Hell no! I will instead welcome our new robotic overlords.

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Arcian wrote...

@GodWood: The slaughter was not in aggression, but in self-defense. What you are suggesting is that the only way the geth could have earned their right to exist is if they willingly let the quarians exterminate them.

If someone was intent on killing my people, I'd damn well protect them, even if it meant pushing the population of my enemies down to a critical level where they are no longer a valid threat. Their lives became forfeit the moment they put their intent to kill into action. Mens rea versus actus reus. In this case, the quarians had malicious intentions and acted upon them, whereas the geth were forced to defend themselves when they would rather have avoided unnecessary bloodshed.

Then again, many claim they are inherently hostile and aggressive because they are fiercely territorial, and that this is justification enough for total extermination. Then again, animals do this very exact thing in the wild because they are perfectly aware of how dangerous and aggressive humans are, but you don't see us driving entire species into extinction because of that?

Ah, but geth are machines. They are soulless tools without worth like us oh-so-useful organics. The fact that they are intelligent and capable of independent thought doesn't matter since metal, glass and polymer are obviously inferior to a mass of automated cells and bodily fluids whose only purpose in the universe is to procreate and consume.


Just a few points, firstly, the Geth counter offensive was carried well beyond the point of military necessity.  99.9% of the species annihilated is tetimony to that.

And second, ah hell, I'll just cut/paste what I said elsewhere.  The General Shutdown attempt was the best option the quarians had.  The Geth were showing signs of developing sentience and evolving to AI status.  At this point, there's two ways they can go

Option 1: Do nothing
At this point they risk the essentially enslaved machines following the trend of other AIs and turning hostile.  Geth are omnipresent in quarian society, so this is a Very Bad Thing.  They will also incur the wrath of the Citadel for openly tolerating and operating an AI system, and as the FCW demonstrated, the Turians interpret "enforcing Citadel Law" as " shoot the offending party with really big guns".  

Option 2: Shut down the Geth
While they'll still incur Citadel sanctions, because the Council doesn't believe in natural justice for non-council species it seems (Seriously, the quarian situation and the lack of any sanctions against the Turians following the FCW makes me question if they've ever heard of Mens Rea), they can hopefully stop them developing full sentience and avoid the possibility of a robot revolution, once they isolate the source of this latest development.
As it turns out, they got the worst of both worlds, but hindsight is 20/20.

Modifié par aiDvEoN, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:08 .


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GodWood wrote...

I do not hate the geth. 
I simply believe they must be exterminated for slaughtering billions of non-combants, commiting wide scale genocide and killing anyone who came near them for 300 years.


So the punishment for attempted genocide is genocide? wow, your just as bad as the 'geth' you seem to hate

Modifié par sponge56, 19 octobre 2011 - 08:24 .