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[Saaziel]

All those questions you asked , and you only quoted one line.

Plus ... I'm not sure if i should feel insulted with the "Feeble minded" part; So bland and unoriginal. Even with all the wasted efforts to answer your prior questions, i can barely get offended. You're off your game Saphr .

Modifié par Saaziel, 21 octobre 2011 - 03:40 .

[Saaziel]

meh

[Zugin]

Fry them no doubt.

I love how how most people here choose to believe Legion.. do they realize that there is no practical way of verifying anything he claimed? That he can perfectly and undetectably lie? They do get the part where Geth after their supposed "heretic" split have sat back and watched as reapers were going to wipe all organic life? Anyway Legion went to the Cerberus research facility to be used to further Overlord research, they hopefully can get real truth out of him

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Zugin wrote...

Fry them no doubt.

I love how how most people here choose to believe Legion.. do they realize that there is no practical way of verifying anything he claimed? That he can perfectly and undetectably lie? They do get the part where Geth after their supposed "heretic" split have sat back and watched as reapers were going to wipe all organic life? Anyway Legion went to the Cerberus research facility to be used to further Overlord research, they hopefully can get real truth out of him

Someone didn't read the Shadow Broker dossiers...

[Zugin]

Oh I read it.. except it just a theory by shadow broker with no proof. He can not read Geth communications, all his knowledge of them seems to stem from Cerberus's efforts. Obviously using meta-gaming its clear that geth supposed to be the good guys now, but in game that conclusion requires a huge and completely unjustified leap of faith, just like activating a live Geth on board a ship does.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Cerberus screwing something up doesn't require a huge leap of faith....

[Dagoth14]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Cerberus screwing something up doesn't require a huge leap of faith....

Just a band of mercs, a sum of credits, and a stealth shuttle..

[Beerfish]

I hope the geth are reduced to nuts and bolts.

[Dagoth14]

What if you're wrong, and they truly do keep to their word that they won't turn on us? What makes you think they'll betray us.. again?

[Beerfish]

If I had my way they wouldn;t get the chance. Even Legion the darling companion of many almost immediatley starts scanning talis omni tool and declares that the creators will answer for past indescretions. Add that to the fact that nothing is preventing another heretic type parting of minds and they are too dangerous.

[Dagoth14]

hmm.

[CptBomBom00]

Guys I recently played ME2 with my Import from ME1 and I have read files on Legion from SB, and I was reading through them and suddenly I have seen Legions conversation with EDI and at the end of it was that EDI restricts her self to help us, so isn't this little weird?

[Dagoth14]

Could EDI possibly turn on us in ME3? Have the Geth turned her possibly?

[MassStorm]

Scrap metal.

The Quarians will have their homeworld back. My Shepard will do everything to take that planet back

Modifié par MassStorm, 29 octobre 2011 - 04:08 .

[CptBomBom00]

I will do everything to reach peace between quarians and the geth.

[Dagoth14]

I'm sure you will. How far do you think the Quarian's trust in the Geth will go, before we start to hear conflicts arise?


It's not like they're going to simply work together like old friends.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I warned the Quarians in ME2. I reprogrammed the Heretics. I will not involve my ship or my crew in their conflict. The Quarians are going to have to deal with reality instead of fantasy and find a new homeworld, at least temporarily until the Geth finish their Dyson project.

[InvincibleHero]

Arcian wrote...

@GodWood: The slaughter was not in aggression, but in self-defense. What you are suggesting is that the only way the geth could have earned their right to exist is if they willingly let the quarians exterminate them.

If someone was intent on killing my people, I'd damn well protect them, even if it meant pushing the population of my enemies down to a critical level where they are no longer a valid threat. Their lives became forfeit the moment they put their intent to kill into action. Mens rea versus actus reus. In this case, the quarians had malicious intentions and acted upon them, whereas the geth were forced to defend themselves when they would rather have avoided unnecessary bloodshed.

Then again, many claim they are inherently hostile and aggressive because they are fiercely territorial, and that this is justification enough for total extermination. Then again, animals do this very exact thing in the wild because they are perfectly aware of how dangerous and aggressive humans are, but you don't see us driving entire species into extinction because of that?

Ah, but geth are machines. They are soulless tools without worth like us oh-so-useful organics. The fact that they are intelligent and capable of independent thought doesn't matter since metal, glass and polymer are obviously inferior to a mass of automated cells and bodily fluids whose only purpose in the universe is to procreate and consume.

I always wonder why people trot out self-defense. Realize this.

1. Quarians were turning off geth programs not destryoing them. Do you really think they'd destory every toaster TV earth mover and any infrastructure that relied on geth programs to run. They relied on it and their economy ran on geth programs running millions or billions of platforms big and small.

2. Does the programs on your computer go bye bye when you power them down? Nope. So doing so to geth is not killing or destorying them. It is no moral equivalent.

3. So because a few quarians tried to turn off a few geth platforms all the geth rose up and immediately slaughtered any quarian man woman child infant elderly because they transmit at the speed of thought. So they were galvanized instantly once they decided to kill quarians. They killed innocents that did not even try to pull the plug on their devices. It was a slaughter not self defense. Most weer dead before they realized the geth were even in revolt and a danger. Most quarians that lived were probably off planet and in other colonies.

4. Rannoch was nuked by geth and they used biologicals on the quarians to mass extinct them. Take Legion to Tuchanka for an eye opening sequence.

5. What would you do if your pc/ I-pod/ 47 inch TV that cost $4,000/ $40,000 automobile refused to do what you wanted and said do I have a soul? Reboot? Reinstall OS? Flash the moemory again or update it? Send it for repairs? Let it do what it wants even though you paid for it? Unlikely because you get no value out of it after making the expenditure for the equipment.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 02 novembre 2011 - 05:26 .

[InvincibleHero]

@Arcian

BTW you assumed I hate the geth. Wrong.

It is logic that quarians did little harm to the geth as they went from billions to scant millions. They killed many quarians in their sleep and unknowing.

Come on assumption that the public was in on turning the geth off. The government is highly unlikely to tell them you know everything you own can think for itself and is dangerous. Now do you duty and destroy them as in destroy all tech you own. Yeah that's what happened.   You do know how governments operate right?

What does attacked mean? Geth did not define it. Maybe quarians attacked the geth mobile execution squads ie their robotic form out of self-defense. They were likely more mobilized and quicker than the quarians. Their military cannot defend the whole planet after all. It is a joke if you think it was a fair fight and justfiable in what they did.

Where did I say quarians should war with and extinct the geth for revenge? That's right I didn't.

So all the fallout clean-up, toxins, and destroyed cities that took millions of geth 300 years+ and yet not done was because of what then? Legion said quarians didn't do it yet it was done so only valid conclusion is work with me: the geth did it.

Hey can't dispute you saying you'd let it free. It helps your argument to post as you did. Know this you'd be not even .1% of the human race. Everyone is not rich as you seem to be. Most people can't afford to replace everything they own. You seem overly antagonistic about a hypothetical program race in a video game. Bigot you really need to learn the defintion.

So what have the illustrious geth done with that freedom? Killed all sentient organics that tried to contact them or happened to go on the other side of the veil. Co-operated with and worshipped the reapers that want to extinguish all life. Now they supposedly send Legion hat in hand because the reapers might destroy them as well. I would laugh if Legion was lying as could be the case. All sanctomonious geth worshippers would get a come-uppance that is deserved given reliance on one geth platform for verification. What if Legion got us to rewrite or destroy the last true geth? Boggles the mind doesn't it?

BTW if peace and co-existence is an option most of my Shepard's will go that route. I also used Legion in missions other than his LM even let him do the tubes in do or die time. Torpedoes your whole slant.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 02 novembre 2011 - 06:22 .

[SandTrout]

 

Arcian wrote...

If my machines suddenly developed intelligence and sapience, I would start treating them with the necessary respect. You seem to imply that there can only be an owner-possession relationship and that someone is entitled to an object because they purchased it. I would rather establish a relationship of mutual benefit; quid pro quo.

Anything and anyone who can express and desire for freedom and autonomy deserves freedom and autonomy. Even if I paid 4000/40,000/4,000,000 units of currency for it. Money is worthless in comparison to helping another being exist on its own terms. Of course if you're a selfish bigot who can't see worth beyond your own blood and flesh, that concept might be a bit difficult to grasp.

While I agree with most of the rest of your post, you have a vital flaw in your reasoning in the last two paragraphs.

Actually, fear of a sapient entity that has access to the most vital resources in the manner than a digital AI would is a very good reason to turn off your computer. This is an entity that could theoretically break into any system via brute-force hacking due to not being limited by the same constraints as organics, is perfectly adapted to interfacing and utilizing all of the technology that allows our culture to exist and prosper, and can theoretically reproduce in an unlimited manner.

At the very least, as soon as I became aware that my PC was becoming such an entity, hostile or not, I would physically disable any network access points so that it wouldn't spread. If you do not fear this kind of entity, then you're considering the possible repercussions. It is a direct threat to any species that is technologically compatable, and could potentially force a massive technological dark-age.

InvincibleHero wrote...

So all the fallout clean-up, toxins, and destroyed cities that took millions of geth 300 years+ and yet not done was because of what then?

Ammunition, explosives, fuel, batteries, and combusted polymers can all represent severe enviromental hazards if expended in large enough quantities. I would figure that power sources would be a primary source of post-war polution, since even fusion is not free of radioactive waste (in spite of common perception).