Once again: if you support the geth slaughtering the quarians then you should also support the quarians "slaughtering" the geth. You can't condone one genocide and then try to refute another. If the geth have the right to defend themselves by any means necessary then so do the quarians.
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I believe this kind of preemptive action inevitably creates the problem it was supposed to prevent.SandTrout wrote...
While I agree with most of the rest of your post, you have a vital flaw in your reasoning in the last two paragraphs.
Actually, fear of a sapient entity that has access to the most vital resources in the manner than a digital AI would is a very good reason to turn off your computer. This is an entity that could theoretically break into any system via brute-force hacking due to not being limited by the same constraints as organics, is perfectly adapted to interfacing and utilizing all of the technology that allows our culture to exist and prosper, and can theoretically reproduce in an unlimited manner.
At the very least, as soon as I became aware that my PC was becoming such an entity, hostile or not, I would physically disable any network access points so that it wouldn't spread. If you do not fear this kind of entity, then you're considering the possible repercussions. It is a direct threat to any species that is technologically compatable, and could potentially force a massive technological dark-age.
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I am not going to educate you in how to read people's posts in order to understand what they are saying. Your incessant blathering about this issue is just a facade for you to justify your agenda to use the geth to further your own selfish goals. You don't give a single glimmering f**k for the quarians or their plight. If you did, you wouldn't throw them into the same figurative fire that nearly drove them extinct 300 years ago.Saphra Deden wrote...
Once again: if you support the geth slaughtering the quarians then you should also support the quarians "slaughtering" the geth. You can't condone one genocide and then try to refute another. If the geth have the right to defend themselves by any means necessary then so do the quarians.
As for this goddamn topic, I do not condone the actions of either side. The fact that you have yet to pick up on this just shows what amazingly bad comprehension skills you have (or that you're selectively ignoring it to support your case - either way, it's fist-in-mouth retarded).
With that said, I am not going to stand around and lecture the geth how horrifyingly evil they are when it was the goddamn quarians who drew first blood because they couldn't wait for solid evidence to prove their paranoia-fuelled thesis. And f**k your excuses for whether they were right or not, because IT DOES NOT F***ING MATTER AT THIS POINT. They sealed their own fate and created the very situation they were trying to avoid the moment they put their figurative gun to the figurative, collective head of the geth and squeezed the trigger.
Whereas I am trying to help both of them redeem themselves in each other's and the galaxy's eyes, you are parading around like a grade A retard and pulling out insane, baseless arguments to justify your immoral ideas for what is good for the galax- oh wait, scratch that; what is good for you. You want to enslave an entire race you consider "threatening" so you can use them for menial labor; nevermind the fact that they are intelligent, sapient and most unwilling to surrender their freedom and autonomy, as is the norm for organics as well. It's not immoral according to you, which in accordance with the logic present in the quote at the top of this post must mean you supported the enslavement of the african race 200 years ago, or the hundreds of other cases of large-scale slavery. After all, you can't condone one form of slavery and refute others.
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Arcian wrote...
I am not going to educate you in how to read people's posts in order to understand what they are saying. Your incessant blathering about this issue is just a facade for you to justify your agenda to use the geth to further your own selfish goals.
I have multiple agendas.
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You don't give a single glimmering f**k for the quarians or their plight. If you did, you wouldn't throw them into the same figurative fire that nearly drove them extinct 300 years ago.
Oh, but I do care. I don't advocate throwing them into a fire. What I advocate is the quarians eliminating the greatest threat to their people and reclaiming their home at the same time. I advocate them doing it in a efficient and bloodless fashion. They'll have their home and they'll have all the security they need to safeguard it.
You are living in fear, a typical Paragon trait. You have no legitimate arguments against Daro's plan to reprogram the geth. We know such programming can work. I see no reason to dismiss it out of hand.
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With that said, I am not going to stand around and lecture the geth how horrifyingly evil they are when it was the goddamn quarians who drew first blood because they couldn't wait for solid evidence to prove their paranoia-fuelled thesis.
You accuse me of dismissing information that contradicts my view, but is that not what you are doing? It has been explained numerous time why the quarians could not afford to wait.
They had to act, and quickly. Waiting would just have heightened the danger. The quarians did not have the benefit of hindsight or meta-knowledge like you do. All they knew was that their machines were developing beyond their ability to control them and that they were dangerous. The sensible thing to do was to deactivate the machines. With that in mind there is no justification for condemning the quarians at all. They are guilty of far less than the geth are.
I don't think you've ever even responded to such arguments. You usually don't, you just drop in with a snarky post and leave without adding anything of substance. This thread and your last few posts are somewhat unique in that regard.
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You want to enslave an entire race you consider "threatening" so you can use them for menial labor;
Menial labor? You think that's what I want? Come on now, you know better than that. For that matter, you know that one cannot "enslave" a machine. The geth are not life; they are computer code.
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which in accordance with the logic present in the quote at the top of this post must mean you supported the enslavement of the african race 200 years ago,
Why yes, I fully support African culture and I feel that whites coming to Africa to partake in the African slave trade native to that region. It was free trade and is freedom and open-mindedness not a tennet of enlightened western civilization?
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 10:23
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Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 10:32
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Hell guys, I know what I will do, I will let them be and let them have a planet of their own after the war where they can have some peace and quiet.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 12:31
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Actually, it's not. The term used with the Quarian attempt has always been deactivation, not deletion of programs. They were trying to turn off the system and retool it.Arcian wrote...
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I always wonder why people trot out self-defense. Realize this.
1. Quarians were turning of geth programs not destryoing them.
We know, however, that deactivating a Geth doesn't kill it. They are set code, not blue-box AI, and they can re-activate after de-activation. That's ctually part of why Tali was on trial.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 12:32
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Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
Don't chastise people for complimenting me, please.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 12:38
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But complimenting you is exactly why they should be chastised.Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
Don't chastise people for complimenting me, please.
Have to keep you humble, after all.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 01:42
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
But complimenting you is exactly why they should be chastised.Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
Don't chastise people for complimenting me, please.
Have to keep you humble, after all.
Indeed. When you argue w/ Saphra, you're not allowed to have an opinion of your own.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 01:43
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Since that wasn't close to what I was saying, an 'indeed' really doesn't imply. It doesn't fit as either agreement or sarcasm.Ravensword wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
But complimenting you is exactly why they should be chastised.Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
Don't chastise people for complimenting me, please.
Have to keep you humble, after all.
Indeed. When you argue w/ Saphra, you're not allowed to have an opinion of your own.
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
Since that wasn't close to what I was saying, an 'indeed' really doesn't imply. It doesn't fit as either agreement or sarcasm.Ravensword wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
But complimenting you is exactly why they should be chastised.Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Careful, people. Ravensword will snipe at other people rather than bother to contribute in any meaningful way.Ravensword wrote...
Careful, people. If you don't agree w/ Saphra, she'll rip your face off.
Don't chastise people for complimenting me, please.
Have to keep you humble, after all.
Indeed. When you argue w/ Saphra, you're not allowed to have an opinion of your own.
Oh, well.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 02:43
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I hope whoever came up with that meme was turned inside out and showered with lemon juice.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:00
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I think of it as a good litmus test for those who don't even have the fortitude or willingness to argue a position.
Sort of how, like people who, like, drop the word like in five times a sentence, like, totally aren't thinking before they speak.
Sort of how, like people who, like, drop the word like in five times a sentence, like, totally aren't thinking before they speak.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:34
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I take offense on behalf of all women of the implied sexism of this remark.GodWood wrote...
I love you guys.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:36
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I'm too tired to think of a good counter witticism.
Your mother.
Your mother.
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I never would have pegged GodWood for a Necro.GodWood wrote...
I'm too tired to think of a good counter witticism.
Your mother.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:39
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This conversation is entertaining...
Anyway, to answer the OP, I think a optional genocide on one of the strongest races in the ME world would be bit too overpowered and Mary Sueish, even for Shepard. Still I hear it's a thing some fantasise about doing in games so perhaps the writers have considered it enough potentialy popular to include such a choice.
Anyway, to answer the OP, I think a optional genocide on one of the strongest races in the ME world would be bit too overpowered and Mary Sueish, even for Shepard. Still I hear it's a thing some fantasise about doing in games so perhaps the writers have considered it enough potentialy popular to include such a choice.
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:46
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I'm not sure whether how violently you guys are arguing is sad, or proof that Bioware has created a masterpiece of such quality that people will use phrases like 'You don't give a single glimmering f**k for the quarians or their plight.'
No matter which one is correct, I have to quote a certain NPC in this case.
'It's just a game!'
No matter which one is correct, I have to quote a certain NPC in this case.
'It's just a game!'
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Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 03:59
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Ooh, well done!GodWood wrote...
Check your pegging.
