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[PinkShoes]

I dont know why people, mostly girls, think guys would HATE to play as a female character. Im sure lots of guys play as female characters just as lot of girls play as males. Also this is an RPG where you can change thing such as that. So if in the adverts they made Hawke F!Hake insted of M!Hawke i doubt they would of sold less.

They sold less cause the game was sh!te.

[rancid727]

krissyjf wrote...

I have a question for all the male gamers out there:

If Hawke had been created/written and marketed as a female protagonist instead of a male one, would you still have bought and played Dragon Age2?

Would you buy any game of BioWare's (or any other developer) that featured a female protagonist? Or would you pass it by and simply mark the game as a "girl's game" and thus 'unworthy" of playing?

Sadly, I feel that is how most male gamers and most male game developers and writers feel. That somehow if the main character is female and not a male, that it will not be marketable- that it won't make the company enough money.

So is this how male gamers feel? That a female character-driven story in a game is not playable in the same way that a male character is? That the game would somehow be less, if the PC was a female?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't most gamers- including male gamers- play a game for the storyline, the challenge of combat, and because the characters are rich and well-developed? So if the game is all of these things, and the protagonist just happens to be a female, why wouldn't you play it? Female gamers have had to do this for years. Most of the games I own have only male protagonists.

Maybe this isn't a fair question, since BioWare's RPGs all give us a chance to create either a male or female PC, so it could be argued that it is a moot point.

But I would say, simply because BioWare gives we female gamers an option to play as a female PC, doesn't mean that the game was developed and written with the female PC in mind. For once, I would like to see BioWare develop/center one of their Dragon Age games around a female character- around a female protagonist- and let the male PC be the option. For once, I would like to see an entire marketing campaign centered around the female protagonist, instead of the male one.

Game developers seem to be forgetting that female gamers make up as much as 40% of the overall gamers, and we all don't play Farmville and Simms.

Thoughts? Comments? Answers?

Edit: Removed incorrect word and inserted the correct one. Should probably proof-read before submitting. Thank you so much Cutlass Jack for so graciously pointing out the error.

Tomb Raider need i say more?!?!?!?!
played thim all

[MKDAWUSS]

I'm a male gamer and I play female characters all the time. In MMOs I try to keep it 50-50, and in single players I keep it varied in terms of gender distribution unless it ends up overriden by franchise canon.

[Sith Grey Warden]

I think it's worth bringing up the example of KOTOR here. The game was marketed with a male protagonist, and Lucasarts has declared that Revan is canonically male. However, it was designed primarily with a female protagonist in mind, which is evident in there being more female-only dialogue with Carth than there is male-only dialogue with Bastila. I think this is an interesting compromise, and it apparently worked since the game sold quite well.

[Nimrodell]

PinkShoes wrote...

I dont know why people, mostly girls, think guys would HATE to play as a female character. Im sure lots of guys play as female characters just as lot of girls play as males. Also this is an RPG where you can change thing such as that. So if in the adverts they made Hawke F!Hake insted of M!Hawke i doubt they would of sold less.

They sold less cause the game was sh!te.

I don't know why would you think that. I played WoW for 5 years and as a female player I saw that male players very often choose females to be their main characters for raiding. My best friend chooses always females to play and he still didn't manage to finish male Shep playthrough... even my husband always chooses a female protagonist for his second playthrough. I think that's just one more prejudice. After all, femShep version even got public recognition and that couldn't be done without male gamers support and great respect for her.

[Wyndham711]

I have problems playing as a female character no matter what the genre, but the problems expound when you talk about RPGs where my input to the character is supposed to be a central part of gameplay.

Hence, marketing your game to me with a female flagship character will be a mistake. Now, I can and do play games with female main characters (I adore The Longest Journey for instance), but it is always kind of difficult and unnatural for me. I find it difficult to relate.

Though it's not just games. I have trouble with enjoying books that have exclusively female protagonists, films likewise. I'm quite certain that the whole situation is a result of a type of personal immatureness or limitedness from my part.

[Gunderic]

krissyjf wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

Bioware games are different in the fact that they try to catter not only to the majority (straigth males) but to the rest of gamers as well, so that is why they put time into a female protagonists or same sex romances. I think that if anything, female gamers should be grateful that bioware is taking steps towards that direction, even if they are small steps or you think they could be better. A lot of other game companies simply don´t care and cattter to the majority because that is where the safe money is.

I'm not sure that female gamers like myself should feel "grateful", for anything. I think "appreciate" would be a better term. I appreciate the fact that BioWare understands that it's just not males that purchase and play their games, and they have tried to develop their games with that fact in mind.

I just feel that BioWare should not be afraid to take things to the next level:To develop, market and promote a game that features the female protagonist first- rather than the male one.

You brought this on yourself, BioWare.

Have fun.

[Ziggy]

rancid727 wrote...

krissyjf wrote...
*snip

Tomb Raider need i say more?!?!?!?!
played thim all

Yes, but so far, Tomb Raider, with all her suggestive gymnastics and skimpy clothes, has been made with male gamers firmly in mind (I have high hopes for the new one though...)
How about a non-sexualised female protagonist?

[Gunderic]

Em23 wrote...

rancid727 wrote...

krissyjf wrote...
*snip

Tomb Raider need i say more?!?!?!?!
played thim all

Yes, but so far, Tomb Raider, with all her suggestive gymnastics and skimpy clothes, has been made with male gamers firmly in mind (I have high hopes for the new one though...)
How about a non-sexualised female protagonist?

How about no. Hopefully BioWare has more to worry about than focusing on stupid unrelated agendas.

Pardon me.

[tywinsregards]

To me all the games are better when you're a female and while I still use males on some of my playthroughs I play as females far more now. For one, the voice acting is better but since bioware turned and made everyone bi it kinda made me a little uncomfortable playing as a guy but maybe thats just me...

[Tereval]

I would provided that the female character was actually an interesting female character and somehow played differently. I'm stealing another person's words but I don't recall who; the big problem with most female characters in male character dominated genres is that when they are there they are just avatars performing male actions in a male setting, it just happens to have boobs.

A lot of this massive gore and uber violence we all enjoy is pretty male, some women enjoy it certainly but not the majority. The huge sword swinging, gut cutting, gore explosion, all of that is sort of a macho fantasy, one I deeply enjoy. Heck I still like Dragonball Z despite being intimately aware of how simplistic it is, I love it for what it is.

Make the experience genuinely and honestly an experience where you play a woman, who has to deal with situations as a woman might, who can't always use power and gore.....heck make that kind of game with a guy even I'd love a game that strategy involved more than pausing and directing where my boom goes. Might scare away a few people, heck it makes me a bit edgy cause well I'm a guy, but its not like it has been tried yet.

I'm rambling but my point is, make a story where I believe the main character is a woman, then I might be interested. If its just a dude game with a girl avatar I'll pass.

[Mr Arg]

I would totally play it. I enjoy playing as a female Hawke/Shepard/Revan just as much as a male one.

[I Like Cats And]

If it was a standard Bioware game where you have choices that have later effect and there was only a female protagonist then no I would not play it.

If it was a set RPG with a female protagonist it probally wouldn't catch my attention in the first place so probally not.

[Myusha]

I watch My Little Pony. If I judge a game for being too girly, then TECHNICALLY I'm the biggest hypocrite of all.

Besides, I bought FFXIII where a female was the lead.

[AlexXIV]

I think if you made an anonymous survey you'd find out that the gender of the protagonist doesn't matter to the sales. There are other things much more important. Though question would be why should they feature a female protagonist? It's not like they sell more if they use a female. That's probably why they stick with tradition.

[miltos33]

In a role playing game I always like having the option to choose gender.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

As a guy I have to admit that I prefer male leads. Playing with a chick as your alter ego has something "transexual" for me, it's like virtual cross-dressing lol, especially in an RPG.
But if I want a game, I'll get it either way, so yes I still would have bought it.

[Heimdall]

I Like Cats And wrote...

If it was a standard Bioware game where you have choices that have later effect and there was only a female protagonist then no I would not play it.

If it was a set RPG with a female protagonist it probally wouldn't catch my attention in the first place so probally not.

I think the question was whether you would play a game with the option of a female or male protagonists if the female protagonist was the one used in all the marketing rather than the male.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 31 octobre 2011 - 07:52 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Ofcourse I would, I mainly play female charecters after all so.

[Rawgrim]

They should make a Tomb Raider`ish game, starring Isabela. Might be fun.

[zambixi]

Children's books follow this same formula. Sure there are books with female leads but overall not many boys read them.

I personally don't play games with a female lead very often because she tends to be hyper-sexual or at least unrealistic. I like Bioware's style of offering both, and don't really mind if they advertise the male more than the female, as long as the actual in-game implementation shows equal effort.

[The_11thDoctor]

Well you OP have asked a series of well thought out questions. Actually, I played DA2 as a female the 2nd run and enjoyed it more than the main PC just due to being in love with her accent and hotness. I play more RPGs that have male roles, but only due to the RPG's Dev making it so. There are more guy gamers than girl and even though it's slowing starting to even out, it has been male dominated for decades and during the decades, they had male leads so I played them not giving it 2 thoughts. Any game that come up, as long as it's interesting I dont care if the lead is male or female. The only time I care is if romance is involved. If Im able to romance someone, it has to be a female. That's my only requirement, so when I was female in DA2, I had no L.I.. I have no prob with female leads and most of the time if there is one, I usually pick up the game. Tomb Raider, Mirrors Edge, Perfect Dark, PN3, etc. I loved them all. Honestly if Im playing a game with 50+ hrs and Im running around, I rather look at a female even in Poly/ Pixel form. That and most RPGs let you put the girl in Moe outfits so be it lead or party member, Im in for females in the game.

[Ziggy]

Gunderic wrote...

Em23 wrote...

rancid727 wrote...

krissyjf wrote...
*snip

Tomb Raider need i say more?!?!?!?!
played thim all

Yes, but so far, Tomb Raider, with all her suggestive gymnastics and skimpy clothes, has been made with male gamers firmly in mind (I have high hopes for the new one though...)
How about a non-sexualised female protagonist?

How about no. Hopefully BioWare has more to worry about than focusing on stupid unrelated agendas.

Pardon me.

No, no. Pardon me for not wanting women to be constantly represented as little more than sex objects in games.

Modifié par Em23, 02 novembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Gunderic]

Em23 wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Em23 wrote...

rancid727 wrote...

krissyjf wrote...
*snip

Tomb Raider need i say more?!?!?!?!
played thim all

Yes, but so far, Tomb Raider, with all her suggestive gymnastics and skimpy clothes, has been made with male gamers firmly in mind (I have high hopes for the new one though...)
How about a non-sexualised female protagonist?

How about no. Hopefully BioWare has more to worry about than focusing on stupid unrelated agendas.

Pardon me.

No, no. Pardon me for not wanting women to be constantly represented as little more than sex objects in games.

Lol.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 novembre 2011 - 08:53 .

[Bayz]

I play female characters more often anyways, one of my favorite series in videogames is Parasite Eve, which protagonist is again female (and until 3rd Birthday the best female character I've seen so far), my favorite parts on Suikoden III were...well ok Geddoe but Chris's parts were awesome as well...

A male protagonist doesn't mean that the game is a "guy's game" and a female protagonist doesn't mean a "girl's game", having Duke Nukem in the title means a "guy's game" and having "the Sims" in the title often means "girl's game" that's the kind of trend IMO

Would I care about how it is marketed? Not really, then again often majority of male gamers I know are less perjuiced of playing as another thing (even gender) than the female gamers I know so...

Modifié par Bayz, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:35 .