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[General User]

I don't think the geth are super men (I actually think them extraordinarily childish). I just don't want to see a war fought when there are other options.

[General User]

I don't JUST want to avoid violence. I do certainly want to avoid violence, but not just that. I think war should only be an option if all the alternatives are somehow even worse. And since war can be one of the most horrible things imaginable...

Were I a quarian, I'd have broadly the same goals, to obtain planet(s) as a homeland and eliminate the geth as a threat to my people.

I just think that the planet in question needn't necessarily be Rannoch (in alot of ways it would be better if it weren't), and that there are far better (even, dare I say, more efficient ways) of neutralizing the geth as a threat than fighting them.

Modifié par General User, 22 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .

[General User]

I was referring to the famous "Moe Syzlak Stratagem":  Use kindness to turn an enemy into a friend.
Then, when they least suspect it...
...BAM!!! Give 'em the ol' fork in the eye!

Occasionally, this stratagem even works without the fork part (known as the Homer Variant)

Modifié par General User, 22 octobre 2011 - 12:58 .

[General User]

Of course it's a little more complicated than just kindness. More like an enlightened self-interest and a dedication the the principles of self-determination and sovereignty.

Modifié par General User, 22 octobre 2011 - 01:13 .

[General User]

Saphra Deden wrote...

General User wrote...

Of course it's a little more complicated than just kindness. More like an enlightened self-interest and a dedication the the principles of self-determination and sovereignty.

What does that mean? You need to translate this into a plan of action.

You didn't like the "Alliance gives the quarians their choice of undeveloped systems in Alliance space, new quarian nation becomes a protectorate/ally of the Alliance" idea?

[Homey C-Dawg]

Are the geth already in the process of building their dyson sphere? I thought it was just something they were aspiring to.

[Someone With Mass]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Are the geth already in the process of building their dyson sphere? I thought it was just something they were aspiring to.

They've been building it for 264 years.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Are the geth already in the process of building their dyson sphere? I thought it was just something they were aspiring to.

They've been building it for 264 years.

Ahh. Thanks.

[chaosomegas]

the Quarians couldn't find a hub in geth space if they did find one they don't have the ships to destroy it and protect the Migrant Fleet because they only have mere hundreds of warships to protect the tens of thousands of ships.

[Chuvvy]

The geth are intelligent, but they're still computers; they don't think like organics. I think it might be as simple as, the Quarians haven't asked.

[P38 ace]

jreezy wrote...

P38 ace wrote...

OMG guys

did any of you talk to legion at all...

legions says the geth are open to peace and would be willing to live in peace with the Quarians on the home-world given a good will effort by the Quarians

You say that first thing then say something else that Legion never uttered. Have you talked to Legion?

here is your answer
www.youtube.com/watch
start @ 2:50 to 3:14

and new info, i did not know( i never got this far into the conversations with legion)
the Geth do not live on the Quarian homeworld
www.youtube.com/watch
Starting @ 1:15

Modifié par P38 ace, 22 octobre 2011 - 04:51 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

General User wrote...

You didn't like the "Alliance gives the quarians their choice of undeveloped systems in Alliance space, new quarian nation becomes a protectorate/ally of the Alliance" idea?

I like it, but what I like even better is the "We help you conquer the Perseus Veil and then we become formal allies and human companies help rebuild your civilization."

In secret we iniate a project to take control of the geth from the quarians and then administer security for them.

Yes, Saphra, because imperialism works so well.

[Fordtransit]

Hey do you forget some key facts?

1. Geth are probably the galatic powerhouse both indusrtial and military side, fleet estimation is 5000 - 10000 ships
2. Geth were informad about reaper threat after the morning war, thats 200+ yrs ago, and have been probably preparing to counter that threat also 200+ yrs.
3. Quarians never asked their homeworld back, at least not nicely

And you think Quarians can load virus to all of them, or Alliance can stand up ship for ship in combat? Thous are not very well based assumtions.

The Geth can be really powerful allay in war.

[Zombiedude101]

The Geth and the Quarians are equally important.

The Geth, are of course able to provide a good amount of fighting power and so forth.

The Quarians, alongside their capability for fighting ships and such are also very capable of maintenance tasks such as repairs and such. They're capable of turning rusted old ships into homes for thousands of quarians.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fordtransit wrote...

Hey do you forget some key facts?

1. Geth are probably the galatic powerhouse both indusrtial and military side, fleet estimation is 5000 - 10000 ships

That's small compared to the Quarians, and the Quarians are small compared to the gross shipping of the other races.

Nothing has ever established the Geth as 'pure military production robots'. Their primary priorities have been cleanup and civilian construction of their Dyson sphere. Infact, the only time we ever get any numbers about them are in the planet-scans... which are notoriously loose (or against) the primary in-game lore.

This is what we know about Geth strength: the Heretics magnificantly failed to overwhelm the Alliance and/or Council, and the Heretic remnants are considered proportionally 'large' to the True Geth strength.

That's pretty much against the 'galactic powerhouse' claim.

2. Geth were informad about reaper threat after the morning war, thats 200+ yrs ago, and have been probably preparing to counter that threat also 200+ yrs.

No, they weren't. And no, they haven't, given they've ignorred the organics for those 200+ years you claim.

No timeline of Sovereign's contact pre-Saren was ever established. No contact of any sort pre-Saren was ever even implied in ME2.

3. Quarians never asked their homeworld back, at least not nicely

The Geth have shot everyone who ever came to ask anything, no matter how nicely.

And you think Quarians can load virus to all of them, or Alliance can stand up ship for ship in combat? Thous are not very well based assumtions.

Actually, both are supported by the games. The Quarians were onto a breakthrough as believed by everyone involved with any basis of expertise, Geth are NOT absolutely immune to all attacks as Overlord demonstrated, and the Alliance did beat back the Geth Invasion, the remnants of which are considered 'significant assets' to the remaining Geth.

The Geth can be really powerful ally in war.

They have yet to prove it, and can be useful as allies or as re-conquered tools. Either one works.

[Fordtransit]

Well I for sure remember that there was a mention in wiki that estimated 5000 - 10000 geth ships were constantly in patrol duties at persius weil. Thats all warships. Quarians have few hundred warships.

And the Legion told that geth were contacted after the morning war, thats 200+ yrs ago and the true geth did not followed that call. And Legion told that the reapers were looking for allies to attack citadel for senturies.

The cerberus were experimenting with geth from downed ship, which was quite old- I am guessing again.

I am assuming that the geth would work hard to make their code impossible to hack and countering the reaper threat. Thous are the 2 main threats to their existence.

And they work 24/7/365, no holidays, no holidays offe breaks. I am still assuming that the true geth are one of great powers in me3 universe.

[Fordtransit]

Hmm okay the heretics with estmated 5% of all geth did attact the citadel, they were inflicting serious damage to the council fleet and almoust did got the destiny acsension ? Thats not bad with 5%.

[Shermos]

Until they all collapsed (US is on the way to it).