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[AquamanOS]

The Geth are basically immortal so long as their machinery holds out. Time doesn't really matter much to them and they probably don't understand (or understand the physics of it but don't quite grasp why this would matter) how other species live accoridng to it, and were content to wait until a sufficent person or group emerged who they thought would be the one that they could get on their side to explain their situation to the galaxy.

So they waited hundreds of years until Shepard took down Soverigen and the heretics and the Geth decided he was their guy, and sent in Legion.

Since Qurians have a "kill any Geth on sight, and then kill it more to make sure it's dead." policy they probably assumed their best bet was to get someone else to explain it to them.

[SandTrout]

Ser Bard wrote...

They built Legion and sent it to find Shepard to explain things but the Colllectors happened. 

No, they sent Legion to scout and spy on organics, not as an emessary of any sort. Legion only became interested once it figured out that the Reapers were not likely to leave the Geth alone and that Shepard was also fighting them.

[Robhuzz]

SandTrout wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

They built Legion and sent it to find Shepard to explain things but the Colllectors happened. 

No, they sent Legion to scout and spy on organics, not as an emessary of any sort. Legion only became interested once it figured out that the Reapers were not likely to leave the Geth alone and that Shepard was also fighting them.

I got the impression Legion was created for the sole purpose of finding Shepard. They were already spying on organics by listening in to extranet channels. When the Geth realised they too would be destroyed by the Reapers, they got wind of Shepard being very succesful in fighting the Reapers so far. So they built a mobile Geth terminal with many more programs running inside it than a normal Geth, capable of operating on it's own - Dubbed Legion by EDI - to find Shepard. After Legion was unable to find Shepard, his task changed to finding a way to stop the Heretic Geth from releasing a virus to turn all the True Geth into Heretics, thus forcing them to fight organics.

[SandTrout]

@Robhuzz

Either way, Legion's existence doesn't demonstrate any overall willingness to give the Quarians' their homeworlds back, only the fact that the Geth recognize a greater common foe.

[SkittlesKat96]

Both sides don't trust each other. The Geth are afraid of the Quarians and the Quarians are afraid of the Geth, they both attack each other 100% of the time.

Also its possible that the Geth don't want to give back the Quarians their planets and they just want to keep the planets so they can strip them bare for their Dyson Sphere, that is just a possibility.

Anyway from the sounds of it its mostly just a problem with communication, if Legion is correct the Geth are just trying to ensure their survival (not saying that the Geth are correct or anything)

[Fayfel]

Legion answers this question if you pick the appropriate renegade dialogue option. It will tell you that returning the homeworld would serve no purpose because the quarians would still hate them.

[Homey C-Dawg]

"When the creators have thought victory a possibility, they have attacked us 100% of the time" -Legion

I sure wouldn't let someone back in the house if they were trying to kill me.

[sponge56]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Keeping it keeps the quarians weak and the weaker the quarians are the less of a threat they are.

Hmm, you wouldn't think flying around in their super duper fleet would be a threat enough.  You do realise that by reclaming their homeworld, the Quarians actually become LESS of a threat.  There are only 17 million Quarians, and recolonising Rannoch will mean that their 'power' as you seem to think they have, will be reduced.  The Quarians wont need/afford the cost of their massive fleet once they reclaim their homeworld, many ships probaly being slavaged for raw materials as the Quarians would need recouces before they start redevloping their infrastructure.  They would be incredibly vunerable afre they retake their homeworld, not a threat whatsoever.

[Eckswhyzee]

Quole wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The quarians have never attempted to make peace with the geth. So when the geth go, "okay, here, have your homeworld back," the quarians would go "IT'S A TRAP" and the geth be like "no dude we're serious" and the quarians go "NO U KILLED OUR ANCESTORS" and then there's a war.

Yep this.

Quole wrote...
To be fair, the geth have never tried to communicate with them either. Or the rest of the galaxy for that matter. Whch is why EVERYONE sees them as a threat and not just the quarians. Apparently they enjoy letting the heretics represent them to the rest of the galaxy.

They built Legion and sent it to find Shepard to explain things but the Colllectors happened. 

So... Legion was their only attempt? So that proves my point.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If the Geth send Legion he's only one platform to spy on organics so they are isolationist, but if they don't send anyone that's also evidence for them being isolationist weirdoes?

Since when does evidence work like this?


Oh and what the Admiral said. As usual

[Wulfram]

Sitting around and letting Sovereign and the heretics wipe out all organic life is evidence for them being isolationist weirdoes.

As is destroying all organic vessels which enter their territory.

[aiDvEoN]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

"When the creators have thought victory a possibility, they have attacked us 100% of the time" -Legion

I sure wouldn't let someone back in the house if they were trying to kill me.

Raptor Jesus have mercy, I hate that line.

When you're at war, and you think victory is possible, you attack.  That's not aggression, that's common freakin' sense.  The Quarians have not been given any sign, at any point, that the Geth aren't intent on continuing the campaign of genocide that killed 99.9% of their species.

[wright1978]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

"When the creators have thought victory a possibility, they have attacked us 100% of the time" -Legion

I sure wouldn't let someone back in the house if they were trying to kill me.

Raptor Jesus have mercy, I hate that line.

When you're at war, and you think victory is possible, you attack.  That's not aggression, that's common freakin' sense.  The Quarians have not been given any sign, at any point, that the Geth aren't intent on continuing the campaign of genocide that killed 99.9% of their species.

The true Geth haven't been actively attacking the Quarians. As for genocide 'pot calling kettle black' as the Quarian's are the ones who started the whole mess by trying to commit genocide.

[aiDvEoN]

wright1978 wrote...
The true Geth haven't been actively attacking the Quarians. As for genocide 'pot calling kettle black' as the Quarian's are the ones who started the whole mess by trying to commit genocide.

And anyone knew there was a difference between True and Heretic before Legion showed up how exactly?

And I've said it before and I'll say it again: they attempted to shut down the Geth originally because AI was, and is, illegal in Citadel Space.  If they hadn't attempted to turn them off, the Citadel would have ordered a shutdown anyway.

[Wereparrot]

tobynator89 wrote...

two words: Trust issues.


Between BOTH parties.

Rather, the two words are that the geth are a rebellious creation.

[wright1978]

aiDvEoN wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
The true Geth haven't been actively attacking the Quarians. As for genocide 'pot calling kettle black' as the Quarian's are the ones who started the whole mess by trying to commit genocide.

And anyone knew there was a difference between True and Heretic before Legion showed up how exactly?

And I've said it before and I'll say it again: they attempted to shut down the Geth originally because AI was, and is, illegal in Citadel Space.  If they hadn't attempted to turn them off, the Citadel would have ordered a shutdown anyway.

The geth had retreated within the veil before ME1. Quarian's could have easily have tried to sue for peace at any point before then.

Genocide is genocide. They could have stood by their creations and refused any such citadel request.

[Dean_the_Young]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Quole wrote...

To be fair, the geth have never tried to communicate with them either. Or the rest of the galaxy for that matter. Whch is why EVERYONE sees them as a threat and not just the quarians. Apparently they enjoy letting the heretics represent them to the rest of the galaxy.

Okay, fine.  Geth are isolationist weirdoes, too.  But you can't blame them for that any more than you can blame the quarians for holding a grudge.

Uh, yes. You can.

Who else would you hold accountable for a completely voluntary action on their part?

[nelly21]

It is amazing how quickly opinions change because of one squadmate.

Please Bioware, no Batarian squadmates. I like hating those douches.

[Gabey5]

i think people are a little hard on the Quarians.. it happened 300 years ago. Can you really hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors? They even lost most of their files from the time period, it is likely that the Quarians do not know the specifics and day to day with the war with the Geth.

[Dean_the_Young]

nelly21 wrote...

It is amazing how quickly opinions change because of one squadmate.

Please Bioware, no Batarian squadmates. I like hating those douches.

It turns out that the Hegemony is an oppressive dictatorship in which 5% hold the power (and the slaves) and oppress everyone else.

[Gabey5]

nelly21 wrote...

It is amazing how quickly opinions change because of one squadmate.

Please Bioware, no Batarian squadmates. I like hating those douches.

All the more sweet when you fall in love with Bali, a more socially awkward batarianTali

[aiDvEoN]

wright1978 wrote...
The geth had retreated within the veil before ME1. Quarian's could have easily have tried to sue for peace at any point before then.

Genocide is genocide. They could have stood by their creations and refused any such citadel request.

You seriously believe that they wouldn't have sued for peace at some poin before the extermination  campaigns had hit the level they did?  99.9% of the population means it was carried well and truly beyond the point of military necessity.  The bolded part speaks for itself really.

As for refusing the Citadel request, why don't we ask the Krogan how that worked out for them.  We'll also ignore the fact that AI is illegal because every AI anyone built beforehand turned hostile, meaning that the quarians had every reason to believe that they had to act right the hell now.

[nelly21]

Gabey5 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

It is amazing how quickly opinions change because of one squadmate.

Please Bioware, no Batarian squadmates. I like hating those douches.

All the more sweet when you fall in love with Bali, a more socially awkward batarianTali

At first I loled
 
Then I was like .