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[psychocandy]

Saphra Deden wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another hint: think about what the "until 1st AI is destroyed" means in that post.

It doesn't mean anything. I'm curious why you brought it up. Are you trying to prove A.I. aren't dangerous or what? Do you dispute that they are dangerous?

until you/shepard discovers it, its not actively trying to kill anyone

it tells you its reasoning for the defensive bomb, reasoning fortified by "its" creator being destroyed

the AI/VI on Luna is more a case for your arguement, as that supposedly had no contact with or knowledge of the geth

[aiDvEoN]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

It's too bad for the quarians that they didn't treat the geth as sentient when they found out they were. They could've talked to them before hostilities broke out and learned that the geth prefer living in space. Then all the quarians would've had to deal with was an angry counsel.

They all just need to kiss and make up.

I suspect things might have gone differently if they had realised that they were sentient at that point.  That being said, the council would have almost certainly ordered a shutdown of an illegal AI system, which is why I consider the quarians to have been utterly screwed the second the Geth woke up.  There was no way out of that wouldn't screw them, so they took the option where they thought that they at least had a freakin' chance.

Fear of council reprisal would be heck of a push towards their panicked response though, after all, the Turians consider shooting to kill to be a perfectly acceptable way of explaining laws to a newly discovered species, and kinetic strikes to be a good method of dealing with single fire teams. I don't want to think about how they'd deal with an established Citadel species breaking just as big a law.

[Ulthair]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The quarians have never attempted to make peace with the geth. So when the geth go, "okay, here, have your homeworld back," the quarians would go "IT'S A TRAP" and the geth be like "no dude we're serious" and the quarians go "NO U KILLED OUR ANCESTORS" and then there's a war.

Cheez for pres:innocent:

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You need to think your position through. I'm guess you weren't in Military Intelligence.

I'm fairly sure you aren't either, Saphra, so let's try and keep that sort of irrelevant argument out this thread.

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You need to think your position through. I'm guess you weren't in Military Intelligence.

Military and intelligence

[Valdrane78]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

You need to think your position through. I'm guess you weren't in Military Intelligence.

I'm fairly sure you aren't either, Saphra, so let's try and keep that sort of irrelevant argument out this thread.

Not only that, but it doesn't mean what she/he implies that it means.  Military Intelligence are information gatherers, code breakers, things of that nature.  It's why I ignored the prod, and pretty much all his/her name calling and attempts provoking me into some childish rage.

[lobi]

Because the Quarians would Die of disease after so long away, it's for their own good, really.

[CptBomBom00]

Camon guys Quarians die* Remembers Freedom Progress* ah yeah you actually right.

[atheelogos]

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

Modifié par atheelogos, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:57 .

[CptBomBom00]

**** it all I know what I wiil do I let both sides be destroyed by reapers.
Joke, I think I will resolve the conflict somehow.

[SandTrout]

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

We do not know the conditions under which the Geth want peace, either. Tyrants always want peace, but the fact that their conditions of peace are unacceptable is a common cause of war.

[NeroSparda]

SandTrout wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

We do not know the conditions under which the Geth want peace, either. Tyrants always want peace, but the fact that their conditions of peace are unacceptable is a common cause of war.

Quarians probably fit the bill of a tyrant, well around 1/3 of them seem to fit that bill. The Geth isolated themselves, also it may not be just the Geth in the veil. Considering that there were husks coming back from the veil, along with a couple of planets within council and terminus space.

[aiDvEoN]

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

The problem there is that Geth isolationism means that the quarians don't even know that the proverbial equation exists!

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The quarians have never attempted to make peace with the geth. So when the geth go, "okay, here, have your homeworld back," the quarians would go "IT'S A TRAP" and the geth be like "no dude we're serious" and the quarians go "NO U KILLED OUR ANCESTORS" and then there's a war.

^ what Cheez  said 

[SandTrout]

NeroSparda wrote...

Quarians probably fit the bill of a tyrant, well around 1/3 of them seem to fit that bill. The Geth isolated themselves, also it may not be just the Geth in the veil. Considering that there were husks coming back from the veil, along with a couple of planets within council and terminus space.

That still doesn't answer the question of what conditions the Geth would consider acceptable in order to allow the Quarians to return.

[SnowHeart1]

SandTrout wrote...

NeroSparda wrote...

Quarians probably fit the bill of a tyrant, well around 1/3 of them seem to fit that bill. The Geth isolated themselves, also it may not be just the Geth in the veil. Considering that there were husks coming back from the veil, along with a couple of planets within council and terminus space.

That still doesn't answer the question of what conditions the Geth would consider acceptable in order to allow the Quarians to return.

We don't know, do we? So the question is kind of unanswerable. We can speculate, but we don't know. If we were to speculate, given that the Geth reside in space stations and only go down to the planets for "caretaking" purposes, I imagine their "conditions" would be limited to stop trying to kill us, spy on us, hack us, and let us maintain reasonable access to resources to finish building our dyson sphere so we can get the heck away from you.

Edit/PS: That said and upon reflection... I don't think the Quarians could resist trying to spy or hack and some would still try to kill, so if I were the Geth I'm not sure I would let the Quarians back (until we had left).

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 18 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[Dean_the_Young]

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

The Geth send no emissionaries, and kill all other emissionaries. The Quarians have people at the highest levels trying to send symbols of peaceful intent, and repudiate the past crimes. Which one is which, by your standard?

[NeroSparda]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

The Geth send no emissionaries, and kill all other emissionaries. The Quarians have people at the highest levels trying to send symbols of peaceful intent, and repudiate the past crimes. Which one is which, by your standard?

Legion is probably the first form of an emissionary, considering that before their (Legion) creation: No Geth platform was able to speak to an Organic. Also only 1/3, at most though unlikely that much, of the Quarians want peace with the Geth. Everyone else want to either destroy them OR take control of them again by force.

[aiDvEoN]

NeroSparda wrote...
Legion is probably the first form of an emissionary, considering that before their (Legion) creation: No Geth platform was able to speak to an Organic. Also only 1/3, at most though unlikely that much, of the Quarians want peace with the Geth. Everyone else want to either destroy them OR take control of them again by force.

Way to pull numbers out of your proverbial.  We have no idea how many quarians out of their general population or conclave are in favour of peace with the geth.  And again, this is coloured by the fact that they currently have no reason to believe that the geth want anything other than to finish the extermination of the quarian people!

And why has it taken them this long to even attempt sending an emisarry?

[BlueMagitek]

^ To be fair to the Geth, the Council has banned AI and would probably like them destroyed and the Quarians hate the Geth for the entire genocide. >_>

Sending an emissary would likely be shunned, they probably came to the consensus that it wasn't worth it, right or wrong as that consensus may be.

[atheelogos]

SandTrout wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

We do not know the conditions under which the Geth want peace, either. Tyrants always want peace, but the fact that their conditions of peace are unacceptable is a common cause of war.

Yes your right. The tyrants/Quarian want peace by destroying or enlaving their children.... I can see how that might lead to war. Try not to lose sight of who was the real bad guy in the Morning War

[atheelogos]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

"Both Creators and Created must complete their halves of the equation. The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
One side wants peace the other wants war. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

The Geth send no emissionaries, and kill all other emissionaries. The Quarians have people at the highest levels trying to send symbols of peaceful intent, and repudiate the past crimes. Which one is which, by your standard?

Who the hell did the Quarians send with a msg of peace?  I know the Geth did IE Legion.

[CptBomBom00]

Ouarians got lazy, so they build geth so geth after sometime and special meetings got fed-up with quarians ruling them so they started to kill them and I think this is what quarains deserved at first but on the other hand I think now they need to stop fighting with geth because the fault is on their side.