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[didymos1120]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

You mean the first shot incapacitated the Collector ship and the second one blew it up?

I mean the first shot sheared right through its hull (watch the cutscene) and stopped it from working, period. No more particle beam, no motion. By contrast, the Reaper showed not a trace of  visible damage, and was only incapacitated for a matter of seconds.  Then it stood up and started chasing them again, and last we saw, still had weapons since it was warming up its "eye" when the demo ended.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 octobre 2011 - 09:32 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ah, okay. That makes sense.

I remember when I first watched the trailer I was shocked when the Reaper got right back up after that air strike. I wish it had been longer to see the continuation. The Reaper nearly overwhelmed Shepard.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 18 octobre 2011 - 09:37 .

[Han Shot First]

If the Quarian fleet is planning to attack something, hopefully Tali isn't in charge. Otherwise the entire Quarian fleet stumbles into an ambush and gets turned into scrap metal.

[N0-Future]

I think the Quarian fleet will be useful, even if its just as troop transports or moving goods/supplies, scouting missions with their smaller vessals. I don't know about other people but I would be able to find a better use for them than just " cannon fodder ".

[marstor05]

the whole fleet in one place - perfect targets for Harbie and his mates.

[Melra]

Thompson family wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Cannon fodder is great when it's the useless people being used to become something useful for the first time in their lives. They'll die for a good cause.

1. Useles people make bad soldiers.

2. "What use is a newborn baby?" Michael Faraday

3. Everybody's useless to somebody.

4. A superior commander can win without needless casualties.

It's not needless and less quarians in the galaxy makes it a better place to live in. :innocent:

[aiDvEoN]

Han Shot First wrote...

If the Quarian fleet is planning to attack something, hopefully Tali isn't in charge. Otherwise the entire Quarian fleet stumbles into an ambush and gets turned into scrap metal.

Only if Shepard is already within a parsec, or on his way there.  That's what triggers her jinx that requires her to be rescued.

[Nashiktal]

Melrache wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Cannon fodder is great when it's the useless people being used to become something useful for the first time in their lives. They'll die for a good cause.

1. Useles people make bad soldiers.

2. "What use is a newborn baby?" Michael Faraday

3. Everybody's useless to somebody.

4. A superior commander can win without needless casualties.

It's not needless and less quarians in the galaxy makes it a better place to live in. :innocent:

Hey not questioning that you don't like the quarians, but killing off the best engineers in the galaxy is a bit silly mate.

[Nashiktal]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If the Quarian fleet is planning to attack something, hopefully Tali isn't in charge. Otherwise the entire Quarian fleet stumbles into an ambush and gets turned into scrap metal.

Only if Shepard is already within a parsec, or on his way there.  That's what triggers her jinx that requires her to be rescued.

A platoon of geth dropping from the sky in a place where most electronics don't work. Yeah clearly Tali, the head of the science team, (not kal or whoever was head of security) is at fault there. Nope.

Not saying tali should go leading any assaults or anything, but the whole tali is a terrible leader argument gets old.

[SNascimento]

Nashiktal wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If the Quarian fleet is planning to attack something, hopefully Tali isn't in charge. Otherwise the entire Quarian fleet stumbles into an ambush and gets turned into scrap metal.

Only if Shepard is already within a parsec, or on his way there.  That's what triggers her jinx that requires her to be rescued.

A platoon of geth dropping from the sky in a place where most electronics don't work. Yeah clearly Tali, the head of the science team, (not kal or whoever was head of security) is at fault there. Nope.

Not saying tali should go leading any assaults or anything, but the whole tali is a terrible leader argument gets old.

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Well, she did got hers two teams dowm in the two missions we saw her in charge. It's pretty safe to say she is a bad leader, and even people in the game says so (Miranda and the Shadow Broker if I remember right).
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Back on topic, using the Flotilla for transport is a very good idea. They are used to be in space and transporting things is pretty much all they do. 
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I think now the right call is to wait to the final battles to use them as cannon fodder. 

[Wulfram]

Reagar seems to have been handling the military side of things on Haestrom, so blame him not Tali. Frankly, a pretty big chunk of the major characters have had all or almost all the people under their command killed - SS Shepard, Miranda and Jacob at the Lazarus Project, Ashley on Eden Prime, Garrus on Omega, Zaeed everywhere.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Wulfram wrote...

Reagar seems to have been handling the military side of things on Haestrom, so blame him not Tali. Frankly, a pretty big chunk of the major characters have had all or almost all the people under their command killed - SS Shepard, Miranda and Jacob at the Lazarus Project, Ashley on Eden Prime, Garrus on Omega, Zaeed everywhere.

Agreed.

Actually, I'm almost certain he will be in some sort of commanding position again in ME3.

[Skullheart]

About the quarians and the migrant fleet y believe that the best is using the fleet as cannon fodder, and the quarians as mechanics for the aliens fleets.

[FSOAH]

Why doesn't the Reaper in this video shoot towards Shep?

[HK01]

FSOAH wrote...

Why doesn't the Reaper in this video shoot towards Shep?

Because if he did, Shepard would be dead...<_<

[Someone With Mass]

Wulfram wrote...

Reagar seems to have been handling the military side of things on Haestrom, so blame him not Tali. Frankly, a pretty big chunk of the major characters have had all or almost all the people under their command killed - SS Shepard, Miranda and Jacob at the Lazarus Project, Ashley on Eden Prime, Garrus on Omega, Zaeed everywhere.

Even if Tali was in charge over the military squad on Haestrom (which would be odd, seeing how she was doing all the scientific readings and would be rather busy with those) the geth spotting them was simply out of their control and not their fault at all.

It's like saying that the Collector attack on the SSV Normandy was Shepard's/Joker's fault.

[Spartanburger]

"It may seem as if the enemy is just throwing small toys at you, but remember: a tennis ball is a small toy and when it hits you in the nuts it hurts like hell"


The fleet is in bad shape, yes, but if you know how to apply the fleet it can do more than any other. It all depends on the situation and the command.
So they could still end up being a mega fail.

[Jaron Oberyn]

HK01 wrote...

FSOAH wrote...

Why doesn't the Reaper in this video shoot towards Shep?

Because if he did, Shepard would be dead...<_<

Duh, the writers are always on Shepard's side. The reaper knows that, it's why he didn't shoot. 

-Polite

[JonnyOwen]

I bet you we will see the Quib-Quib banzai a Reaper. Oh how funny that would be.

[Someone With Mass]

Spartanburger wrote...

"It may seem as if the enemy is just throwing small toys at you, but remember: a tennis ball is a small toy and when it hits you in the nuts it hurts like hell"


The fleet is in bad shape, yes, but if you know how to apply the fleet it can do more than any other. It all depends on the situation and the command.
So they could still end up being a mega fail.

Same goes for any fleet in ME3, really.

[SNascimento]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Reagar seems to have been handling the military side of things on Haestrom, so blame him not Tali. Frankly, a pretty big chunk of the major characters have had all or almost all the people under their command killed - SS Shepard, Miranda and Jacob at the Lazarus Project, Ashley on Eden Prime, Garrus on Omega, Zaeed everywhere.

Even if Tali was in charge over the military squad on Haestrom (which would be odd, seeing how she was doing all the scientific readings and would be rather busy with those) the geth spotting them was simply out of their control and not their fault at all.

It's like saying that the Collector attack on the SSV Normandy was Shepard's/Joker's fault.

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So, the Geth showing up in a planet under their control is unexpected? I don't think so. And in a operation, you blame who is in charge.
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But I do agree that there are some things that are out of contro. This, and Freedom Progress were not this kind of situation though. 
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I think Tali in a battlefield situation reflects the Quarians perfectly, they just don't have the resources to get the job done. 

[Spartanburger]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

"It may seem as if the enemy is just throwing small toys at you, but remember: a tennis ball is a small toy and when it hits you in the nuts it hurts like hell"


The fleet is in bad shape, yes, but if you know how to apply the fleet it can do more than any other. It all depends on the situation and the command.
So they could still end up being a mega fail.

Same goes for any fleet in ME3, really.

True, but each fleet has it's pros and cons, its ideal situations and its "Oh crap we are so f*cked" situations.

The Quarian's fleet is a unique fleet that probabl would fit more of a niche fole in space combat rather than a single rounded military. In my opinion, of course.

[Someone With Mass]

SNascimento wrote...

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So, the Geth showing up in a planet under their control is unexpected? I don't think so. And in a operation, you blame who is in charge.
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But I do agree that there are some things that are out of contro. This, and Freedom Progress were not this kind of situation though. 
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I think Tali in a battlefield situation reflects the Quarians perfectly, they just don't have the resources to get the job done.

Okay, tell me how a geth patrol spotting them is their fault.

Tali is also remarkably good in battle against synthetic enemies and when it comes to distractions. She also got the job done. She figured out why Haestrom's sun was dying faster than usual, which was the whole goal with her mission there.

[SNascimento]

Someone With Mass wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

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So, the Geth showing up in a planet under their control is unexpected? I don't think so. And in a operation, you blame who is in charge.
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But I do agree that there are some things that are out of contro. This, and Freedom Progress were not this kind of situation though. 
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I think Tali in a battlefield situation reflects the Quarians perfectly, they just don't have the resources to get the job done.

Okay, tell me how a geth patrol spotting them is their fault.

Tali is also remarkably good in battle against synthetic enemies and when it comes to distractions. She also got the job done. She figured out why Haestrom's sun was dying faster than usual, which was the whole goal with her mission there.

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How is it not her fault? You in a planet controled by the Geth, so you have to go under cover. But you are spotted. How can this not be your fault?
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And I agree what really matters in the end is getting the job done, but does she? It's really not up to Tali succeeding or not in those missions, it's up to Shepard. In Freedon's Progress you decide if she get Victor or not and in Haestrom she only gets out of there if you go rescue her, which you can not do.
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We can easily nail three facts in this debate:
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1) There are two missions that Tali is in charge, Freedon's Progess and Haestrom. In both she doesn't control the outcome. (Shepard does)

2) Miranda and The Shadow Broker make remarks how Tali is a lesser leader.

3) She can't lead a group in the SM. 
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So, if you really are a Tali's fan, the better you can do is say she is a ok leader, but she is nothing close to Garrus or Miranda, for exemple. 
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And I'm trying to make a point here that this isn't about Tali as an individual, but about the Quarians as a race. When was the last major fight they had in land? When did we see a good Quarian operative? They just don't have the resources to be effective outside the Migrant Fleet. 

Modifié par SNascimento, 18 octobre 2011 - 10:50 .

[MartinDN]

What i find interesting, is legion is on that mission with you... Perhaps sheppard is reuniting the geth/quarian peoples at some point and a reaper crashes the party, rather interesting either way i know i did hear on that conference something along the lines of "Contact Fleet HQ".