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[MACharlie1]

People are getting upset over how a character is posed in concept art. Sunk to a new low, people. I mean, really. Concept art.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Concept art expresses the basic ideas of a character. It's not just about their appearance. The pose is designed to express their personality and behavior.

According to the poses here, Ashley is a super model, not a soldier and Kaidan is just average.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:46 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Arcian wrote...

>Concept art of heavily sexualized Ashley
I sense the impending approach of a legion of haters. Prepare yourselves.

I was going to make a snide comment about the hooker pose in the concept art, yes. 

[MACharlie1]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Concept art expresses the basic ideas of a character. It's not just about their appearance. The pose is designed to express their personality and behavior.

According to the poses here, Ashley is a super model, not a soldier.

Go back to the ME1 concept. You will find that most of the female concept arts involve them standing like a model. Which is exactly what these are for: models. These are use to create the 3D graphics. Concept art goes to graphic artists who make the mesh and the textures. Her character is already established. Thats the job for the writers. Your argument would hold water if Ashley was a brand new character. But she isn't. The guy writing her isn't the same guy drawing her. The guy writing is probably the same guy approving the model. But I doubt he is really looking at the way she's posed. If anything, the pose helps: it's a contraposto (twisted, weight on back leg) position (if you want a male version go look at the David) - gives better angles. Put Kaidan into that pose and a man twisting like that in armor doesn't work. Regardless of what you think of the outfit she's wearing, it's obviously more flexible then Kaidans. In fact, while your looking at ME1 concept, go look at Thane's concept art. 

[Lucky Thirteen]

I wouldn't call it a hooker pose necessarily. If this were Miranda who by nature is the sexy, super model type, I wouldn't give a crap. It's within her character, the concept art matches.

However this is Ashley. Though she isn't one of my one of my more favorite characters, I can't help feeling something is wrong here.

Let's look at Ashley's original concept art:



There is a slight sense of sex appeal by the way she's standing, but it's not on the level of the new concept art.

There's nothing wrong with Ashley letting her hair down and putting on some lippy, being a little sexier, but I can't help feel like they've gone further than they should.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wish they'd stuck with that hair. The bun is... odd.

[CptData]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I wouldn't call it a hooker pose necessarily. If this were Miranda who by nature is the sexy, super model type, I wouldn't give a crap. It's within her character, the concept art matches.

However this is Ashley. Though she isn't one of my one of my more favorite characters, I can't help feeling something is wrong here.

Let's look at Ashley's original concept art:



There is a slight sense of sex appeal by the way she's standing, but it's not on the level of the new concept art.

There's nothing wrong with Ashley letting her hair down and putting on some lippy, being a little sexier, but I can't help feel like they've gone further than they should.

Sure, this is sexy!Ash. However, in ME she doesn't appear like that. She's a soldier and doesn't even look close to that concept art  - except for the Phoenix Armor, of course.

Basically - concept art tries to show the BEST out of a certain piece of equipment. You won't show a battlecruiser without its guns, even if they're entirely own stuff with own concept art, am I right? In this case it's about Ashley's armor.

*sigh* Ash will be Ash, no matter what the artist has in his or her mind.

[shepskisaac]

Managed to get a bit bigger version of the Ash & Kaidan pic from the very kind guy who took it: (right click -> view image)



Still LQ, but at least slighty better then the previous one. I also tweeted @dsilvermanea if he could give us HQ version so please tweet him as well! If he sees alot of tweets maybe he will release HQ pic! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

[Lucky Thirteen]

CptData wrote...

Sure, this is sexy!Ash. However, in ME she doesn't appear like that. She's a soldier and doesn't even look close to that concept art  - except for the Phoenix Armor, of course.

Basically - concept art tries to show the BEST out of a certain piece of equipment. You won't show a battlecruiser without its guns, even if they're entirely own stuff with own concept art, am I right? In this case it's about Ashley's armor.

*sigh* Ash will be Ash, no matter what the artist has in his or her mind.

Is Ashley not sexy at all in ME1? My point is the image of the original concept art is so drastically different in characterization from the new one. I certainly hope she remains the same in ME3 when it comes to personality, but this new concept art has me concerned that there's been a change.

Or perhaps this is just because it's Dark Horse comics that did the concept art. Those sorts of artist are just so used to putting women in ridiculous poses for no apparent reason but to make her look sexier to the max.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:23 .

[TheKillerAngel]

This discussion again.

I should go.

[MegaBadExample]

MACharlie1 wrote...

People are getting upset over how a character is posed in concept art. Sunk to a new low, people. I mean, really. Concept art.

I know right? And people actually wonder why BioWare don't release decent images on their own.  I'll tell you why because ya'll over react to every little thing! I for one, couldn't give a crap about how she's posing. That's the least of my worries...I just wanna see the armor.

[MegaBadExample]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This discussion again.

I should go.

Why would you even take the time to click and post? 

[AdmiralCheez]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I'm going to highlight how ridiculous Ashley's poses are in two ways:

Women posing in public like models.

Men-ups

Everyone please note that Kaidan is just standing, not in a pose at all. This annoys the crap out of me and only heightens my awareness of how ridiculous Ashley looks, even though this is in an poor quality, fuzzy image.

Oh man, this made me giggle.

But seriously, Ash's pose isn't that bad.  Not enough to make me b*tch up a storm, anyway.  I mean, a guy could take that pose and it wouldn't be too weird.  Looks more confident than "sexy," just with hips.

NOW GIVE ME IN-GAME SHOTS OF THE ARMOR.

[alex90c]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This discussion again.

I should go.

I will be going now.

[CptData]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Is Ashley not sexy at all in ME1? My point is the image of the original concept art is so drastically different in characterization from the new one. I certainly hope she remains the same in ME3 when it comes to personality, but this new concept art has me concerned that there's been a change.

Or perhaps this is just because it's Dark Horse comics that did the concept art. Those sorts of artist are just so used to putting women in ridiculous poses for no apparent reason but to make her look sexier to the max.

She's "different" sexy. Actually, Ash is much sexier ingame than the concept art, most likely because she got a character. Concept art is just that - concept art, without a "real soul". The "soul" or character is given later, either in a book or comic or the game itself. So Ash is sexy because of her character AND her looks.

Sorry you got me wrong

[BatmanPWNS]

Ash is a model and Kaidan is an average joe............. at least that's what I thought when I looke at 'em.

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I'm going to highlight how ridiculous Ashley's poses are in two ways:

Women posing in public like models.

Men-ups

Everyone please note that Kaidan is just standing, not in a pose at all. This annoys the crap out of me and only heightens my awareness of how ridiculous Ashley looks, even though this is in an poor quality, fuzzy image.

Oh man, this made me giggle.

But seriously, Ash's pose isn't that bad.  Not enough to make me b*tch up a storm, anyway.  I mean, a guy could take that pose and it wouldn't be too weird.  Looks more confident than "sexy," just with hips.

NOW GIVE ME IN-GAME SHOTS OF THE ARMOR.

I guess that, despite being a guy, I don't like the way female characters are often handled, and I'm sensitive to attempts to "tart them up". 

[Hathur]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I'm going to highlight how ridiculous Ashley's poses are in two ways:

Women posing in public like models.

Men-ups

Everyone please note that Kaidan is just standing, not in a pose at all. This annoys the crap out of me and only heightens my awareness of how ridiculous Ashley looks, even though this is in an poor quality, fuzzy image.

Oh man, this made me giggle.

But seriously, Ash's pose isn't that bad.  Not enough to make me b*tch up a storm, anyway.  I mean, a guy could take that pose and it wouldn't be too weird.  Looks more confident than "sexy," just with hips.

NOW GIVE ME IN-GAME SHOTS OF THE ARMOR.

 Hilarious video. And I sort of agree with you Cheez, the pose Ashley is making isn't too bad but it still seems kind of silly. Out of morbid curiosity I tried to strike that pose just a minute before writing this post infront of a mirror.... and by the stars my lower back was as sore as if I had done 50+ sit-ups... I have no idea how other women actually can hold that pose... let alone stand like that in such a "I'm just chillin' here" manner.

Still.. I'd be hard pressed to imagine why Ashley would stand like that at any point in game (unless trying to seduce Shep?)... so for now I'm just assuming it's a concept / design art pose and not something we'll see in game.

Modifié par Hathur, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:18 .

[alex90c]

What is it that Ashley's wearing around her waist? It looks like her clothing just ... ends :S

[Dhiro]

I actually like that pose.

No, I don't hate women nor think they should be oversexualized, I just think it's a pretty pose. Yes, I'm bad and I should feel bad.

Your logic is tearing me apart, I'll leave the thread now.

[happy_daiz]

alex90c wrote...

What is it that Ashley's wearing around her waist? It looks like her clothing just ... ends :S

I think those are chaps, but she forgot her pants.  Or something. 'Tis bizarre.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Nashiktal]

While ashley posing while kaiden is standing is very silly (and I snorted when I saw her pose) this isn't nearly as bad to me as her "preconfirmed armor" stage.

[ADLegend21]

really? complaining about a pose in concept art? her pose is fine! she puts her hands on her hips like a normal woman does, get over it.

[Aeowyn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

really? complaining about a pose in concept art? her pose is fine! she puts her hands on her hips like a normal woman does, get over it.

I'm not complaining about the pose, but tbf no woman puts her hands on her hips and stands like that in a non-posed situation. 

[ADLegend21]

Aeowyn wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

really? complaining about a pose in concept art? her pose is fine! she puts her hands on her hips like a normal woman does, get over it.

I'm not complaining about the pose, but tbf no woman puts her hands on her hips and stands like that in a non-posed situation. 

She does a similar pose when talking to delan on Horizon "You're in the presence of a god delan, back from the dead"