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[rodgerage]

Has anyone else thought that She is the bridge to stop cerberus as she knows where TIM's base is.

[Wulfram]

They presumably won't make the game unwinnable in games where she died at the Collector base.

[Someone With Mass]

Considering that we didn't even get a hint at the Cerberus army (no mystery there, since one cell operative isn't supposed to know about the next) and that TIM is constantly relocating his base thing, I wouldn't count on getting much useful info.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:46 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

The only way Miranda can have a "big role" is if said role is directly relevant to Cerberus, since Cerberus themselves are apparently major villains this time around. But Miranda will never have a role so big as to render the game unwinnable without her, as she obviously may not be present in ME3 thanks to the suicide mission.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:12 .

[rodgerage]

im not saying it would be unwinnable im saying we could stop tim earlier if she survived

[CptData]

Wulfram wrote...

They presumably won't make the game unwinnable in games where she died at the Collector base.

Dunno. Guess we'll see a Miranda-replacement in case she got killed in ME2. Oriana anyone?


I hope we'll see a bigger role for Miranda or some assignments for every ME2-survivor that make ME3 a bit easier to win. Maybe it's even possible to choose between ME2-survivors for permanent squadmates in ME3. In that case, I'd pick Miranda together with Ashley, Garrus and Tali.

Modifié par CptData, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:29 .

[atheelogos]

rodgerage wrote...

Has anyone else thought that She is the bridge to stop cerberus as she knows where TIM's base is.

No. She doesn't know where it is. He moves his base everytime anyone leaves the base.

[Aiken Drum]

"Big role"? Is that what we're calling her primary asset now?

I didn't like Miranda, partly for her Cerberus fangirl status and partly her intrusive arrogance. At the various briefings I wanted nothing more than to tell her to shut the hell up. I wanted to be as confrontational with her as I could be with TIM, but sadly that wasn't really an option.

But she lived and if she has utterly forsworn Cerberus in ME3 then I'll accept that. First sign of Cerberus affiliation and I will get Madame Airlock on her "big role"..

[AquamanOS]

Miranda's barely been mentioned beyond that she'll show up at least once. Even Jack and Legion have gotten more of a mention than her.

[wright1978]

Well i for one want her to have a big role as i thought she was the best character in ME2. I'm hoping that with her Cerberus knowledge she'll play a key role in helping Shep deal with Cerberus and then joing him to take down reapers. Assume if she's dead in someone's playthrough Jacob could fill that role and if they are both dead it becomes harder to deal with Cerberus.

[nelly21]

I am curious as to what her role in ME 3 will be. We've been told that she has "unfinished business" with Shep. The only thing I can think of would be if Oriana was hurt by the Illusive Man. She did after all resign from Cerberus in the playthroughs where I blew up the Collector Base.

I don't know. I am very curious to see how Miri impacts the story in ME 3.

[DiscoDarth]

Miranda big what?

[Sir_Alric]

I was romancing Miranda in ME2. I hope she will come back in ME3, or my Shepard will die single. <.<

[BounceDK]

She's working in a bar spreading her legs for some dope. Super ****.

[Gabey5]

The illusive man has dozens of bases and would move on

[Ieldra]

A plausible option is this:

After you've dealt with that little matter of Cerberus trying to kill you one way or the other (for instance by killing TIM), if Miranda lives, you'll have the option of letting her take over and use Cerberus' resources for the fight against the Reapers. If Miranda is dead, you must destroy what you find and you'll lose those resources.

Also, letting Miranda take over if she lives will push the after-the-Reapers galaxy into the "dynamic but conflicted" direction. Spefific aspects of the ending might be made impossible if she's dead.

That way, Miranda could be very important, and her absence could contribute to a no-win scenario without actually making winning impossible on its own. I suspect some other characters like Legion or Tali might have similar roles, but Miranda with her Cerberus connections is the most obvious, and has the potential to be more influential - if the writers let her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .

[DCarter]

Dat ass.

[CptData]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A plausible option is this:

After you've dealt with that little matter of Cerberus trying to kill you one way or the other (for instance by killing TIM), if Miranda lives, you'll have the option of letting her take over and use Cerberus' resources for the fight against the Reapers. If Miranda is dead, you must destroy what you find and you'll lose those resources.

Also, letting Miranda take over if she lives will push the after-the-Reapers galaxy into the "dynamic but conflicted" direction. Spefific aspects of the ending might be made impossible if she's dead.

That way, Miranda could be very important, and her absence could contribute to a no-win scenario without actually making winning impossible on its own. I suspect some other characters like Legion or Tali might have similar roles, but Miranda with her Cerberus connections is the most obvious, and has the potential to be more influential - if the writers let her.

Dunno. Miranda's death shouldn't cripple the player's playthrough that s/he can't win ME3 anymore. I'd say Cerberus is exhausted at the point when Miranda is able to take it over, since it appears to be just a small, secretive organization with just a couple of projects running at the same time.
It's already kinda odd this organization fields an entire army against Shepard and his/her team.

If Miranda lives (she does in any of my playthroughs) she might take over Cerberus, but Cerberus itself will be at its end and won't be such a big factor when it comes to firepower. However I can see several upgrades for the Normandy provided by Cerberus once Miranda take it over, so without her help the Normandy's crew could suffer heavy losses in a final assault (like an not upgraded Normandy in the SM)

[Obsidian Gryphon]

*sigh* yeah right, Cheerleader.  Well, if she put in her oar along with the others to get the ship ashore, I'd accept it. Just make her more subdue this time and quit trying to steer Shep around.

[Ieldra]

CptData wrote...
Dunno. Miranda's death shouldn't cripple the player's playthrough that s/he can't win ME3 anymore.

Of course not. On its own it wouldn't preclude winning, but it would contribute towards a no-win scenario so that if you make many other suboptimal decisions like that the Reapers will win. It would make winning more difficult.

As with other plot-important characters like Liara, Tali and Legion, I want Miranda to have an impact on the big picture. It would be disappointing not to see such a great potential realized.

@Obsidian Gryphon:
I'd rather have MIranda dead than meek. And I want her to give useful advice that I can follow or not. Just as in ME2.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:44 .

[FlyinElk212]

Miranda already has two "Big Roles".

*baddum chick!*

Seriously though, Miranda Lawson's character has the possibility of being rendered quite useless in the grand scheme of things. Unless she survived the Suicide Mission with a Renegade Shepard (to which she could act as a sort of liaison or point of information against the now enemy Cerberus in ME3), she's either quit Cerberus with a Paragon Shep, or...dead.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:47 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Obsidian Gryphon:
I'd rather have MIranda dead than meek. And I want her to give useful advice that I can follow or not. Just as in ME2.

I can see a clash coming.   We differ in how we see Miranda. So let's just stick with, as long as she can help to undermine Cerberus and whoever else, that's good in everyone's book.

[CptData]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Dunno. Miranda's death shouldn't cripple the player's playthrough that s/he can't win ME3 anymore.

Of course not. On its own it wouldn't preclude winning, but it would contribute towards a no-win scenario so that if you make many other suboptimal decisions like that the Reapers will win. It would make winning more difficult.

As with other plot-important characters like Liara, Tali and Legion, I want Miranda to have an impact on the big picture. It would be disappointing not to see such a great potential realized.

Guess that's what I was saying: without Miranda no one can take over Cerberus and you won't be able to buy additional upgrades for the Normandy. Without those upgrades the ship gets severely damaged and it's possible some of your crewmembers get killed.

It wouldn't make a "win ending" impossible, but it won't be a "perfect ending". Fine enough for me and a reason why to keep ALL ME2 characters alive.


Liara got plot armor by the way. She can't be killed in ME2 and WILL always be in the position of the SB regardless if you got the DLC or not. That makes me believing she could be the "feared traitor in Shepard's team". It's a big role, but not a "good" one.

Tali & Garrus didn't get plot armor, but it's likely both with contribute much to the "perfect ending". Garrus could be a leader of his own team again or liaison between Shepard and the turian fleet. Tali & Legion are needed to end the Geth-Quarian war and therefore important because you can field a Quarian & a Geth fleet (of course, you need to be a supporter of peace here and make the right choices).

So basically, I believe Miranda's big role will be most likely "taking over Cerberus" to support Shepard.

[LOLandStuff]

Because TIM is dumb enough to stay in the same place after Miranda has defected.
I'm sure Shepard even Miranda's help could never storm in TIM's heavily defended fortress. That'd be complete suicide.

[CptData]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Because TIM is dumb enough to stay in the same place after Miranda has defected.
I'm sure Shepard even Miranda's help could never storm in TIM's heavily defended fortress. That'd be complete suicide.

Going through the Omega 4 Relay was still "complete suicide" even with that Reaper IFF.
Shepard & his/her team made it (depends if you did the LMs).

So this argument is not valid