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[DCarter]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Because TIM is dumb enough to stay in the same place after Miranda has defected.
I'm sure Shepard even Miranda's help could never storm in TIM's heavily defended fortress. That'd be complete suicide.

Suicide... Where have i heard that one before? Never doubt the hero. 

[Izhalezan]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Because TIM is dumb enough to stay in the same place after Miranda has defected.
I'm sure Shepard even Miranda's help could never storm in TIM's heavily defended fortress. That'd be complete suicide.

If he has to move his base all the time how strong can his defense be?

[Someone With Mass]

Izhalezan wrote...

If he has to move his base all the time how strong can his defense be?

Strong enough to have space ninjas and fifteen feet tall mechs, apparently.

[Ieldra]

CptData wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Dunno. Miranda's death shouldn't cripple the player's playthrough that s/he can't win ME3 anymore.

Of course not. On its own it wouldn't preclude winning, but it would contribute towards a no-win scenario so that if you make many other suboptimal decisions like that the Reapers will win. It would make winning more difficult.

As with other plot-important characters like Liara, Tali and Legion, I want Miranda to have an impact on the big picture. It would be disappointing not to see such a great potential realized.

Guess that's what I was saying: without Miranda no one can take over Cerberus and you won't be able to buy additional upgrades for the Normandy. Without those upgrades the ship gets severely damaged and it's possible some of your crewmembers get killed.

It wouldn't make a "win ending" impossible, but it won't be a "perfect ending". Fine enough for me and a reason why to keep ALL ME2 characters alive.

That's still strictly local. What I meant was an impact on the big picture, where not individuals, but worlds and species are at stake and where the cultural mood of the after-the-Reapers galaxy and the political power balance are affected.

As for characters' potential to have such an impact, most characters haven't got any as of ME2 because they can't affect the actions of whole factions. Liara has the SB network, Tali and Legion have influence with the quarians and the geth and Miranda might be the person who knows most about Cerberus, Reaper technology and such things who isn't an enemy.

I'd rather have everyone have such an impact, but for the others it would have to be built within ME3, and its absence nothing remarkable, but with those four it would be disappointing if they hadn't because they already have the potentional from ME2.

So basically, I believe Miranda's big role will be most likely "taking over Cerberus" to support Shepard.

That's what I said. The question is: how will that change things in the big picture?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 octobre 2011 - 02:44 .

[Thompson family]

Wulfram wrote...

They presumably won't make the game unwinnable in games where she died at the Collector base.

Same goes for Jacob. Also, TIM knows where Miranda's sister lives, Cerberus having relocated her and all.

My great fear is that Shep  will have to kill an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob.

[wildannie]

I hope not, it annoyed me no end how much Shepard was forced to accept both Miranda and Jacob in ME2. I hope that in ME3 her role is equal, not greater, that with other ME2 characters.

She's the kind of person who would put a control chip in a persons head - that's a pretty sick thing to do so personally, I don't really want her on my squad at all... have still to manage to kill her off on the Suicide Mission but my current playthrough I'll be taking unloyal Jacob and Miranda to meet human reaper which ought to do the trick.

I hope that Arwen Shepard's not going to regret that decision in ME3 XD

[Ieldra]

Thompson family wrote...
My great fear is that Shep  will have to kill an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob.

Won't happen. It's quite possible that an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob may be a possible ending of a decision path, but it won't be forced on us no matter what.

[Luigitornado]

She has two.

[Ieldra]

wildannie wrote...
I hope not, it annoyed me no end how much Shepard was forced to accept both Miranda and Jacob in ME2. I hope that in ME3 her role is equal, not greater, that with other ME2 characters.

Some characters are written to be more important than others - as I said, Liara, Tali, Legion and Miranda are the main candidates. Perhaps Mordin, too.

She's the kind of person who would put a control chip in a persons head - that's a pretty sick thing to do so personally, I don't really want her on my squad at all... have still to manage to kill her off on the Suicide Mission but my current playthrough I'll be taking unloyal Jacob and Miranda to meet human reaper which ought to do the trick.

I hope that Arwen Shepard's not going to regret that decision in ME3 XD

We should come to regret every loss of a team member. Some more, some less.

As for the control chip, see it as a safety measure to shut Shepard down should he go berserk after coming back from the dead. It's an experiment not tried before. Safety measures are quite understandable. And don't generalize. She's not "the kind of person who would implant a control chip in someone's head", she's the kind of person who would implant one in a person critical for the survival of humanity who has cybernetic upgrades that make him superhuman and who might just go berserk when being told who has brought him back from the dead.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:07 .

[DCarter]

I don't think Miranda should take over Cerberus. She doesn't possess the same dogma that TIM does. I'm sure a lot of Cerberus's assets would be useful but you they can be used without maintaining Cerberus as an organisation. No TIM, no Cerberus.

[Thompson family]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...
My great fear is that Shep  will have to kill an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob.

Won't happen. It's quite possible that an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob may be a possible ending of a decision path, but it won't be forced on us no matter what.

I certainly hope you're right, and wish I had as much confidence. Even so, you're very probably correct. After all, an optimum playthrough gets everyone through the suicide mission.

[flemm]

DCarter wrote...

I don't think Miranda should take over Cerberus. She doesn't possess the same dogma that TIM does. I'm sure a lot of Cerberus's assets would be useful but you they can be used without maintaining Cerberus as an organisation. No TIM, no Cerberus.

Well, if something like this is in the game, it would probably be Cerberus in a different form. Repurposing the assets to contribute to the final battle against the Reapers. Something along those lines.

The organisation's relationship with the Alliance may have been clarified/developed by then. Mac Walters dropped a hint somewhere on twitter that we might get more info on that.

Modifié par flemm, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:15 .

[wildannie]

Ieldra2 wrote...

wildannie wrote...
I hope not, it annoyed me no end how much Shepard was forced to accept both Miranda and Jacob in ME2. I hope that in ME3 her role is equal, not greater, that with other ME2 characters.

Some characters are written to be more important than others - as I said, Liara, Tali, Legion and Miranda are the main candidates. Perhaps Mordin, too.

She's the kind of person who would put a control chip in a persons head - that's a pretty sick thing to do so personally, I don't really want her on my squad at all... have still to manage to kill her off on the Suicide Mission but my current playthrough I'll be taking unloyal Jacob and Miranda to meet human reaper which ought to do the trick.

I hope that Arwen Shepard's not going to regret that decision in ME3 XD

We should come to regret every loss of a team member. Some more, some less.

As for the control chip, see it as a safety measure to shut Shepard down should he go berserk after coming back from the dead. It's an experiment not tried before. Safety measures are quite understandable. And don't generalize. She's not "the kind of person who would implant a control chip in someone's head", she's the kind of person who would implant one in a person critical for the survival of humanity who has cybernetic upgrades that make him superhuman and who might just go berserk when being told who has brought him back from the dead

You're free to rationalise her reasons that way, but I interpret her intention as wanting to ensure that their investment did what cerberus wanted, fear of Shepard going berserk is not implied by what she says.

I hope you're mistaken about who will be playing the most important roles in ME3, while I love legion and Mordin, Liara and Tali are my least favourite.   I actually think the character of Miranda is a good one, I just don't want to be forced into a friendly relationship with her.

Modifié par wildannie, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Averross375]

Miranda has huge roles... is that really what they're calling them now?

[Tup3x]

Thompson family wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

They presumably won't make the game unwinnable in games where she died at the Collector base.

Same goes for Jacob. Also, TIM knows where Miranda's sister lives, Cerberus having relocated her and all.

My great fear is that Shep  will have to kill an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob.

I actually fear the same. Considering how close Miranda is to TIM. Also there's one pretty damn big issue about Miranda that keeps bothering me. Is she loyal to Cerberus or is she loyal to Shepard? In worst possible scenario she could actually be after Shepard. But I don't know about Jacob... I think he would jump ship right before things start to go down the drain in Cerberus.

[lazuli]

I still say that Bioware made her more difficult to kill than other ME2 squadmates because they have some sort of plan for her in ME3. I foresee her playing a larger role than most ME2 squadmates, with the exceptions of Tali and Garrus, of course.

[MisterJB]

wildannie wrote...

She's the kind of person who would put a control chip in a persons head - that's a pretty sick thing to do

You're acting as if Shepard is some innocent, regular person and not a fully trained N7 operative who had already proven to be antagonistic towards Cerberus and in whose hands TIM was putting the fate of the entire human race. It's not like Miranda puts control chip is the brains of whoever she doesn't trust.

[BobTheAndroid]

She told me that she can hold the barrier to save my squad. She failed and it cost the life of Subject Zero. This really disturbed her so during the line holding she sacrificed herself to save others.

This is what I am going with because I really could not stand her.(and Jack)

[Melra]

People are just not awesum enough to like Miri, that's all.

[crimzontearz]

Gah...Miranda always put me off so much...all the time. More than anything because of what she represented than anything else and her attitude.

then again I only and always wanted to shoot her in the head at the start of ME2 and give the SR2 over to the alliance after having the cerberus crew arrested

[wildannie]

MisterJB wrote...

wildannie wrote...

She's the kind of person who would put a control chip in a persons head - that's a pretty sick thing to do

You're acting as if Shepard is some innocent, regular person and not a fully trained N7 operative who had already proven to be antagonistic towards Cerberus and in whose hands TIM was putting the fate of the entire human race. It's not like Miranda puts control chip is the brains of whoever she doesn't trust.

no, I'm acting as if putting a 'control chip' in anyone/anythings head is wrong, Immoral, probably illegal and the kind of ethically barren experiement that Cerberus is hated for.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Haters gonna hate. It's their loss if they dislike Miri. But for us Mirimancers/Mirimaniacs, it's a gain of amusement seeing the haters perform.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .

[Skullheart]

About the control chip.

- In ME Shepard annihilated every Cerberus cell s/he encounters.
- For her/him all the members are terrorist who should be shoot or arrested.

It would be very naive to revive an elite marine who don'thave the best thoughts about our organization and don´t expect that s/he hurt us when s/he wake up.

It's like reviving a pedophile in a kindergarten and don't expect him to rape the childrens.

[aiDvEoN]

Skullheart wrote...
- For her/him all the members are terrorist who should be shoot or arrested.
.

Well that part hasn't changed at the least

[Melra]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Skullheart wrote...
- For her/him all the members are terrorist who should be shoot or arrested.
.

Well that part hasn't changed at the least

Your Shepard's thoughts aren't every Shepard's thoughts. Mine is the only right Shepard, rest are imposters.