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[MisterJB]

wildannie wrote...
no, I'm acting as if putting a 'control chip' in anyone/anythings head is wrong, Immoral, probably illegal and the kind of ethically barren experiement that Cerberus is hated for.

That's a reasoning I can't understand. The way I see it, there are circunstances that justify the use of a control chip just like there are circunstances that justify killing, which is much more permanent mind you.

[aiDvEoN]

Melrache wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

Skullheart wrote...
- For her/him all the members are terrorist who should be shoot or arrested.
.

Well that part hasn't changed at the least

Your Shepard's thoughts aren't every Shepard's thoughts. Mine is the only right Shepard, rest are imposters.

Probably should have added  to the end there.  The comment was meant to be at least somewhat sardonic.

[aiDvEoN]

MisterJB wrote...

wildannie wrote...
no, I'm acting as if putting a 'control chip' in anyone/anythings head is wrong, Immoral, probably illegal and the kind of ethically barren experiement that Cerberus is hated for.

That's a reasoning I can't understand. The way I see it, there are circunstances that justify the use of a control chip just like there are circunstances that justify killing, which is much more permanent mind you.

The issue is here that you're being brainwashed into serving a group that you know only as an enemy.

[Melra]

aiDvEoN wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

wildannie wrote...
no, I'm acting as if putting a 'control chip' in anyone/anythings head is wrong, Immoral, probably illegal and the kind of ethically barren experiement that Cerberus is hated for.

That's a reasoning I can't understand. The way I see it, there are circunstances that justify the use of a control chip just like there are circunstances that justify killing, which is much more permanent mind you.

The issue is here that you're being brainwashed into serving a group that you know only as an enemy.

There's no issue, you already died once. You shouldn't have any choice in the matter when someone brings you back to life, you do what they fecking tell yah. 

[wildannie]

MisterJB wrote...

wildannie wrote...
no, I'm acting as if putting a 'control chip' in anyone/anythings head is wrong, Immoral, probably illegal and the kind of ethically barren experiement that Cerberus is hated for.

That's a reasoning I can't understand. The way I see it, there are circunstances that justify the use of a control chip just like there are circunstances that justify killing, which is much more permanent mind you.

Killing people in battle or as the result of an unavoidable choice is not the same as putting a control chip in someone's head.  A control chip would make that person a slave... slavery = bad.

[MisterJB]

aiDvEoN wrote...
The issue is here that you're being brainwashed into serving a group that you know only as an enemy.

I am looking at it from Miranda's viewpoint, not Shepard's.
Two years ago, Shepard destroys Cerberus bases. Now, TIM wants to spend billions of credits bringing him back and give him a ship and full liberty on how to deal with the Collectors. Miranda did not trust Shepard and she did not believe he would be up to the challenge, thus, she wanted a way of making sure Shepard would not make stupid decisions. It's absolutely logical.
She comes to respect Shepard's leadership and him as a person. Not sure why people insist on holding a grudge.

wildannie wrote...
Killing people in battle or as the result of an unavoidable choice is not the same as putting a control chip in someone's head.  A control chip would make that person a slave... slavery = bad.

Death also = bad. The survival of humanity, that's what Shepard was being entrusted with.
If Saren had to be brought back to life, I'd want a way of making sure he would not betray Shepard.

[Halo Quea]

CptData wrote...



So basically, I believe Miranda's big role will be most likely "taking over Cerberus" to support Shepard.

Yeah, right. Like there's going to be anything left of Cerberus when this is over.  IF Shepard is successful at destroying or turning back the Reapers, the entire organization that is Cerberus will probably be destroyed right along with them.

I know it's been said many times before around here, but I'm still amazed that TIM basically had a standing Cerberus army at his disposal.  It just really makes Shepard's involvement in everything seem so ridiculous.  He didn't need Shepard to accomplish the O4R mission.  TIM had the IFF and enough manpower to get the damn job done on his own.  He could have had the Collector base, the Reaper corpse(IFF), and WHO could have stopped him?

Bringing Shepard into the mix only complicated things for him.  The money and resources needed to resurrect him, the Normandy 2, and the squad of desperados that were hired.  All of it cost him time and money he didn't need to waste.   I mean he's got Kia Leng, Miranda, and Jacob.  Any one of them could have led his ARMY and carried out the O4R mission.   Shepard spends the vast majority of ME2 recruiting and then playing Dr Phil to his squadmates. 

Now I am hopeful that Miranda's role involves finding out why how TIM and Cerberus became thralls for the Reapers.   They're indoctrinated alright, but none of Cerberus' soldiers seem Reaperized.  I much rather want to learn about that than the identity of Miranda's father.   I mean it's not a mystery if Miranda knows, she could just tell Shepard and that's the end of it.

[tonnactus]

Mirandas big role...


...ended in Mass Effect 2.
And from the books it is known that Tim nether left his station at one place for a long time.

Modifié par tonnactus, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Melra]

tonnactus wrote...

Mirandas big role...


...ended in Mass Effect 2.
And from the books it is known that Tim nether left his station at one place for a long time.

Keeeeep oooon dreeaaaamiiing.

[matt-bassist]

i wonder if, while trying to write ME3, the Bioware team secretly wanted to strangle the person who suggested the suicide mission.

what a headache.

[wildannie]

MisterJB wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...
The issue is here that you're being brainwashed into serving a group that you know only as an enemy.

I am looking at it from Miranda's viewpoint, not Shepard's.
Two years ago, Shepard destroys Cerberus bases. Now, TIM wants to spend billions of credits bringing him back and give him a ship and full liberty on how to deal with the Collectors. Miranda did not trust Shepard and she did not believe he would be up to the challenge, thus, she wanted a way of making sure Shepard would not make stupid decisions. It's absolutely logical.
She comes to respect Shepard's leadership and him as a person. Not sure why people insist on holding a grudge.

wildannie wrote...
Killing people in battle or as the result of an unavoidable choice is not the same as putting a control chip in someone's head.  A control chip would make that person a slave... slavery = bad.

Death also = bad. The survival of humanity, that's what Shepard was being entrusted with.
If Saren had to be brought back to life, I'd want a way of making sure he would not betray Shepard.

Many things are bad, some things are more bad than others the result of a battle with shepard (probable death) might be worse for the victim than being enslaved but I would argue that the morals behind their death in battle are much less questionable than those behind willful exploitation and enslavement.

I think you should join cerberus,  you'd fit right in.

[BatmanPWNS]

tonnactus wrote...

Mirandas big role...


...ended in Mass Effect 2.
And from the books it is known that Tim nether left his station at one place for a long time.

I wish but Bioware love their big ass and ******.

[tonnactus]

BatmanPWNS wrote...


I wish but Bioware love their big ass and ******.

But she isnt very popular according to data from cerberus network. (more people did Grunts loaylity missions then hers...)
For me it didnt matter anyway.She rot in the collector base. Just hope that i didnt get her genetic twin as a replacement.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 octobre 2011 - 02:59 .

[BobTheAndroid]

I think she is going to be a temporary squadmate just like the rest of ME2s, except for
Tali and Garrus who is going to be main ones  (of course)
and Mordin, Legion, Samara and Grunt who is going to join Wrex on the non squadmate role. While Zaeed and Kasumi will only get cameos.

I am not a ME2 fan so I would not have a problem with this.

They did the same to me with the secound game, so I can understand your conserns.

That is why they don't want to share any info about them. Because they know they will upset a lot of fans.

Modifié par BobTheAndroid, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .

[Axelstall]

I didn't like Miranda anyways (She was.... Well... Oh right she looked like a um.. a person that would just as soon join Shepard as dance on Omega or in Chora's Den. (If anyone remembers that place))
She just looked off to me. (The proportions mostly) And her face is weird and square-shaped.

[Axelstall]

Plus what did Jack call her all the time?

Oh yea cheerleader, after I heard that it just stuck.

[JeffZero]

I like Miranda and hope for the best with regard to further characterization in ME3.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Who says she knows where TIM is in 3? For all we know he's moved sense they last talked especially if he's the paranoid type which by his zero face to face meetings would imply.

I personally think she "quit" Cerberus so shep would trust her more there is no way the cheerleader is quitting her order she was all fine with it when Jack confronted her and I at least took Miranda in person to see her home and the woman was fine with it her quitting TIM because shep is nice goes against her character. If she's going to have a big role she'll be the final nail in shep's coffin when she hands him over to TIM and the reapers.

[GreenSoda]

tonnactus wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...


I wish but Bioware love their big ass and ******.

But she isnt very popular according to data from cerberus network. (more people did Grunts loaylity missions then hers...)

Small wonder considering that Grunts loyality mission was the most popular one (I really don't know why -I thought it was the most boring one of the bunch). Miranda's mission was *far* from being unpopular.

I think the last place for popularity went to Jacob.

[Axelstall]

It was the most popular loyalty mission because you fight a thresher maw. Duh, plus if you did get to save Wrex, he's there as the leader and you can see him. (unless you just do Mordin's loyalty mission)

[DCarter]

GreenSoda wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...


I wish but Bioware love their big ass and ******.

But she isnt very popular according to data from cerberus network. (more people did Grunts loaylity missions then hers...)

Small wonder considering that Grunts loyality mission was the most popular one (I really don't know why -I thought it was the most boring one of the bunch). Miranda's mission was *far* from being unpopular.

I think the last place for popularity went to Jacob.

Well Jacobs an unpopular character AND his loyalty mission is a bit of a mess so that doesn't surprise me. 

[tonnactus]

GreenSoda wrote...
. Miranda's mission was *far* from being unpopular.

It was.Here the proof:
One difference was the people who did certain loyalty missions on the
Xbox versus the PC, which is kind of surprising. On the PC for example,
people did Miranda's loyalty mission quite a bit, which is where she is
trying to connect with her sister and it's more of a touchy-feely plot.
Not a lot of Xbox 360 players did that one.


http://pc.ign.com/articles/111/1118657p2.html

"Not a lot" is far less then 50 percent for me.

Like ten or 20 percent.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 octobre 2011 - 05:23 .

[BatmanPWNS]

GreenSoda wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...


I wish but Bioware love their big ass and ******.

But she isnt very popular according to data from cerberus network. (more people did Grunts loaylity missions then hers...)

Small wonder considering that Grunts loyality mission was the most popular one (I really don't know why -I thought it was the most boring one of the bunch). Miranda's mission was *far* from being unpopular.

I think the last place for popularity went to Jacob.

Well Grunt's one has a Thrasher Maw and Miranda has............... mercs. Just mercs.

[jtav]

However, Miranda is the "most used" squad member. I'd think that equates to "most popular" in terms of things they can statistically measure.