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[TobyHasEyes]

naledgeborn wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Samara has Reave.

And Tali has Energy Drain. Your point?

 The point was a counter to my questioning what use Samara was against barriers

 Samara having Reave does mean she is useful against Barriers

 That was the point

[naledgeborn]

Doesn't make her more effective than Miranda from a gameplay perspective. Maybe easier to swallow if you're not fond of her characterization.

[Aaleel]

How much use would Miranda be though? I thought Cerberus was a bunch of separate cells operating totally independent of each other, with one hand not knowing that the other was doing.

She was in charge of the cell assigned to the Normandy to keep track of Shepard, but what knowledge would she have of other Cerberus operations?

[TobyHasEyes]

naledgeborn wrote...

Doesn't make her more effective than Miranda from a gameplay perspective. Maybe easier to swallow if you're not fond of her characterization.

 Didn't say she was.. nor was that what the OP said

 It was stated by someone else that Miranda was the best character from a gameplay point of view, as she can tackle so many different types of defenses. The counter view was put that, in their view, there are individual characters that are better focused on taking down a specific type of defense, and that that rules out Miranda's advantage (as it shows that you can choose other characters to be very effective at defense-stripping)

 But seriously.. read the discussion.. I understand nobody wants to go back pages upon pages in a discussion, but all that I said above was fairly shortly before that post you objected to out of context

[naledgeborn]

My bad, took it out of context. Miranda isn't necessarily the "best" in combat but easily the most versatile and best to take on "blind" missions on first play-throughs

[TobyHasEyes]

naledgeborn wrote...

My bad, took it out of context. Miranda isn't necessarily the "best" in combat but easily the most versatile and best to take on "blind" missions on first play-throughs

 Agreed, Warp and Overload is a safe combination

[MadCat221]

My wish / prediction: If Miranda survives the whole ordeal, she convinces the Alliance head honchos of the need for a properly overseen spec-ops outfit a la the STG, one that doesn't play with syringes at the drop of a hat or have an unshakable xenophobic survivalist mentality that the only way for humanity to survive is to subjugate all other spacefaring races, and she ends up being the first administrator of it.

At least... for a Paragon...

The Alliance should have one, every other major race does.  Cerberus is not it.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:21 .

[tonnactus]

TobyHasEyes wrote...


 How is Samara best against Barriers?

Area reave. Warp is a single target power without the explosion.

[tonnactus]

SNascimento wrote...

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True, but how is Garrus against Barriers and Armor? Or Mordin against barriers and shields?

Doesnt matter. Shepardt always have two squadmates with him,except the mission with kasumi and arrival.

Not to mention the fact she can stop an enemy with Slam and is the only character in the game (other than Liara) that can both detonate and set a warp bomb.

I dont even bother with "slam bombs" on console. Lift offers far more time to react then this easy to fail combination.Its better when shepardt uses warp anyway,then samara and jack are better with their reduced cooldowns for lift.(and shepardt having 6 cooldown for warp instead of 12)

Modifié par tonnactus, 22 octobre 2011 - 09:10 .

[TobyHasEyes]

tonnactus wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...


 How is Samara best against Barriers?

Area reave. Warp is a single target power without the explosion.

 Look at the following posts after that one you quoted.. I have remembered the Reave now

 And it is still debatable whether the potential for Warp detonate, and the instant damage of the Warp power, makes it better than Reave

 For myself as someone who plays Adept, having the potential for Warp detonations makes her much more valuable than Reave

[tonnactus]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Then again.. Warp does the same damage as Reave but instant

Against protections,the damage of reave is instant too.

[TobyHasEyes]

tonnactus wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Then again.. Warp does the same damage as Reave but instant

Against protections,the damage of reave is instant too.

 As I say, I haven't used Samara much, but I was under the impression that Reave took damage away over time rather than instant

[TobyHasEyes]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Then again.. Warp does the same damage as Reave but instant

Against protections,the damage of reave is instant too.

 As I say, I haven't used Samara much, but I was under the impression that Reave took damage away over time rather than instant

It does barrier damage instantly, health damage over time.

 Less instant barrier damage than it would do were it over time like with health right?

 If that is the case, then Warp definately has it for me and Insanity playthroughs

[tonnactus]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Less instant barrier damage than it would do were it over time like with health right?

No.The same amount as with health,but instantly. And against more then one target with Area Reave.

[naledgeborn]

Unstable Warp does minor area damage too when thrown at armored targets (not nearly as much as Area Reave), but it's still is a more useful power in general because of warpbombs.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 22 octobre 2011 - 09:38 .

[100k]

Yes, for the love of god, Miranda WILL have a large role in the plot -- at least Cerberus's plot. And remember, Cerberus makes up 40% of the enemies Shepard faces in ME3.

And just because Ash has long hair and nice clothes doesn't mean that the two women are the same character.

[TobyHasEyes]

tonnactus wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Less instant barrier damage than it would do were it over time like with health right?

No.The same amount as with health,but instantly. And against more then one target with Area Reave.

 So you are claiming that, using stats from the Mass Effect wiki, if you were to hit an unprotected enemy with a rank 1 Reave it would do 40.00 damage per second for 3 seconds, but if it was protected it would do 120.00?

 If that is the case, then Warp's instancy is still more widespread.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to is Reave better than Warp, but I know that my use of Warp detonations make having a squadmate with Warp much more useful than having one with Reave, due to that playstyle

[tonnactus]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 If that is the case, then Warp's instancy is still more widespread..

???
Warp is a single target power in Mass Effect 2.

I don't think there is a definitive answer to is Reave better than Warp, but I know that my use of Warp detonations make having a squadmate with Warp much more useful than having one with Reave, due to that playstyle

How that? If someone is an adept or sentinel,its better when shepardt use warp:
Shepardt warp 6 seconds to squadmates pull 9 seconds: 3 seconds difference.
Squadmates use warp 12 seconds and shepardt use pull 3 seconds: 9 second difference

So for people who want "warpbomb" a lot should use shepardts warp and pull from samara or/and jack(reduced cooldown from class passive)

[TobyHasEyes]

tonnactus wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 If that is the case, then Warp's instancy is still more widespread..

???
Warp is a single target power in Mass Effect 2.

I don't think there is a definitive answer to is Reave better than Warp, but I know that my use of Warp detonations make having a squadmate with Warp much more useful than having one with Reave, due to that playstyle

How that? If someone is an adept or sentinel,its better when shepardt use warp:
Shepardt warp 6 seconds to squadmates pull 9 seconds: 3 seconds difference.
Squadmates use warp 12 seconds and shepardt use pull 3 seconds: 9 second difference

So for people who want "warpbomb" a lot should use shepardts warp and pull from samara or/and jack(reduced cooldown from class passive)

 I meant the occasions where Warp deals instant damage are more widespread (read more frequent) than with Reave, as Reave only does so if there are defenses .. but I accept that wasn't totally clear what I meant

 I play my Adept Shepard as setting up the Warp detonations, why? Firstly, I can be more accurate with Pull (pulling out of cover), and can use Singularity (which aside from LOTSB isn't available to squadmates). And secondly, I prefer to only use mapped abilities, so I tend to use Singularity (Y), Pull (RB) and Barrier (LB) so as to keep myself immersed in real time as much as possible

 I admit that is a matter of personal preference, but so are all playstyles.. my point was that whether having a squadmate with Reave or one with Warp is better depends on your playstyle

[wolf99000]

Aaleel wrote...

How much use would Miranda be though? I thought Cerberus was a bunch of separate cells operating totally independent of each other, with one hand not knowing that the other was doing.

She was in charge of the cell assigned to the Normandy to keep track of Shepard, but what knowledge would she have of other Cerberus operations?

I am not sure I buy that she would not know I mean if you remember she was with tim in his base in me2 and she said no one gets as close to him as shepard I always saw her as his number 2 plus with her whole trust issues I would think she had tons of data on him incase he turned on her at some point she seems the kind to have an insurance policy just incase

Modifié par wolf99000, 29 octobre 2011 - 02:14 .

[CptBomBom00]

If she will make the appearance in ME3, I bet she will be the leader of a new merc band or some type of guerilla spec-op group, I would like to meet her in one of Shepard missions where we supposed to talk to some dude or woman and then suddenly she get shot and than we see someone coming out of shadows with armor and helmet on, and as that person takes the helmet off, we find out its Miranda.
ha if that would happen I would be very happy.

[D.Kain]

Miranda already had a big role, you want her to have an even bigger one?

[SNascimento]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

If she will make the appearance in ME3, I bet she will be the leader of a new merc band or some type of guerilla spec-op group, I would like to meet her in one of Shepard missions where we supposed to talk to some dude or woman and then suddenly she get shot and than we see someone coming out of shadows with armor and helmet on, and as that person takes the helmet off, we find out its Miranda.
ha if that would happen I would be very happy.

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She founding a kind of Cerberus of her own is actually a very great idea. 

[CptBomBom00]

SNascimento wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

If she will make the appearance in ME3, I bet she will be the leader of a new merc band or some type of guerilla spec-op group, I would like to meet her in one of Shepard missions where we supposed to talk to some dude or woman and then suddenly she get shot and than we see someone coming out of shadows with armor and helmet on, and as that person takes the helmet off, we find out its Miranda.
ha if that would happen I would be very happy.

.
She founding a kind of Cerberus of her own is actually a very great idea. 

Ha I knew it someone would see this.:happy: