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[G-four]

Recently I started with a new character. A dual dagger wielding rogue. Now I was wondering if getting Dual-Weapon Mastery is worth the amount of dex you need to get the talent. My rogue is mainly focused on cunning. So is Dual-Weapon Mastery a must have skill or not for a dagger cunning rogue.

[gandanlin]

Well, it does open up the option of using full-sized weapons in both hands. If your mage has Telekinetic Weapons, that can add a huge bonus to armor penetration for all melee weapons, and that may make the daggers look a little less appealing than they were before.

But if the rogue lacks the strength to equip full-sized weapons then DW mastery may not make much sense. 

Modifié par gandanlin, 18 octobre 2011 - 09:58 .

[G-four]

Right now my rogue has a strength of 15. It will be boosted to 20 so I can wear tier 7 light armour. But that is about it. My current stats are:
Strength 15+2
Dexterity 26+11
Willpower 14
Magic 12
Cunning 35
Constitution 10+2

[caradoc2000]

Personally, I prefer daggers w/o DW mastery.

[tyrannosaur56]

if you have dlc, you can unlock the achievement by simply creating a new character which start at lvl20 thus allowing you to unlock the achievement easily. but even if you don't cheat, you can also get it when you are at lvl25 as you will most likely have spare talent point if you plan carefully.
all weapon mastery achievement can be unlock using the method i said above

[termokanden]

The last rank isn't really worth much so feel feel free to skip it.

[BlackEmperor]

For a dagger cunning rogue, it's completely unnecessary. Only get Dual Weapon Mastery if you plan on using two full-sized weapons. Otherwise, your talent points are best used elsewhere. (You don't really need Dual Weapon Expert if you're using two daggers either, for that matter.)

Updated to Add: on the Dex note though, you need 35 if you're going for Evasion, so your Dex will probably need to be that high anyway.

Modifié par BlackEmperor, 20 octobre 2011 - 12:57 .

[G-four]

I think if I do not take Dual Weapon Mastery as it is not needed I will skipp Evasion as well. Or is that unwise?

[gandanlin]

Evasion gives an extra 20% chance of dodging a hit, if I recall correctly. I usually go for it.

Thing is, though, I like to run my rogues off their tactics menu and control Alistair. The tactics menu seems to do a much better job of applying the 20% dodge bonus to the rogue than I would by manually controlling that character.

At least, that is my theory. Could be way off base, but for what it is worth....

[BlackEmperor]

I've heard some power gamers who don't like the Evasion "miss" animation slowing them down. From my perspective, your cun-based rogue doesn't have the defense of a dex-based rogue. A flat 20% miss chance is useful. Since you're already getting Lethality, there's no reason not to get Evasion.

[Fallstar]

GreenGoron that is extremely incorrect. A dexterity build should always get dual weapon master as it improves most talents, and the dexterity build has less of a focus on auto-backstabs than the cunning build. A rogue doesn't pick DWM for the ability to use two full sized weapons, thats what a talent spamming warrior picks it for.

[BlackEmperor]

The only advantage to having Duel Weapon Mastery if you're not using two full-sized weapons is a reduction in fatigue by 2.5% while duel-wielding. Which is not nothing, but there are probably better talent picks.

And the dex-based rogue has less of a focus on auto-backstabs... why, exactly?

[gandanlin]

DW Mastery is probably only of use to a very particular build of rogue. It requires the rogue to have the 31 strength necessary to equip the top tier swords. It probably also requires a mage to be around who has Telekinetic Weapons activated to give those swords an armor penetration bonus.

Duncan's sword paired with the Keening Blade can work rather nicely in that case.

But this build requires other team members to offset some of the other deficiencies the build confers on the rogue. Won't work for a solo rogue.

Modifié par gandanlin, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:32 .

[termokanden]

gandanlin wrote...

Evasion gives an extra 20% chance of dodging a hit, if I recall correctly. I usually go for it.

Thing is, though, I like to run my rogues off their tactics menu and control Alistair. The tactics menu seems to do a much better job of applying the 20% dodge bonus to the rogue than I would by manually controlling that character.

At least, that is my theory. Could be way off base, but for what it is worth....

It's definitely a complete waste for dex-based rogues. But in general, my biggest problem isn't getting hit a bit by normal attacks, it's those annoying special attacks you can't avoid in any way, such as Overwhelm. Evasion will help you there just as much as a high defense will: not at all.

And if you are in danger of getting killed, you can stealth and drink a potion. Rogues can almost always get away and survive.

Evasion is a talent that looks a lot better than it is, and it can even affect you negatively. Not worth it in my book.

[gandanlin]

Just to correct a minor point in my earlier post. Keening Blade can be equipped by Warriors only. So another full-sized blade such as Topsider's Honor, Blightblood, or Starfang could be used instead.