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[Apophis4321]

I just got attacked by a giant, murderous, wolf.

[Shepenwepet]

Garms are weak to lightning, if you're a Magick Archer, you can draw them into hallways and tear them apart with Ricochet Hunter.

I've also found that they don't attack you -at all- if you don't attack them. Your pawns will, of course, but the garm will completely ignore your Arisen provided you don't attack.


If you're the main damage dealer (you probably are unless you have high-level pawns) you're probably going to have to get your hands dirty, so just wrap them up in lightning and jump on its back.

Lightning and Ice spells go a long way in BBI, which is why a lot of us use Magick Archer - Sixfold/Ninefold Bolt and Ricochet Hunter are incredibly useful.

Edit:


He made it! I still didn't get another rare quest, though.

Modifié par Shepenwepet, 08 janvier 2014 - 02:10 .

[Apophis4321]

Got it, though it was a shock to be attacked like that. I'm trying to do NG+ to level up my pawn and me, but BBI is still kicking my ass. I got a plan though. Once I get to Postgame, I'm going to grind wake stones. Then I'll crash BBI.

[Sully13]

Gawd i want a Dragons dogma2 and i dont count dark Arizen as one.

[Apophis4321]

 Okay, pausing during a quick time event is now awesome. Look at what I got.



GRIGORI WANTS DIN-DIN. 

[Apophis4321]

Finally back in the Everfall. I'm gonna grind me some wakestones and return to Bitterblack, with my extra lives obtained! 

Also, what is going on underneath the laybrinth of Bitterblack. What is it's connection the Arisen. I can't wait to find out!

Modifié par Apophis4321, 08 janvier 2014 - 11:42 .

[Apophis4321]

 Oh my god.

I was originally going to write my major analysis of the games lore after thinking about it, but then I had a major theory on it which may blow your minds.

We are the Cycle. And the Arisen is our Pawn.

Think about it. It's stated  that the Cycle is above all of the creatures in the world, including the Sensechal. It's creates the Dragon, creating the Arisen, creating the Sensechal. And that's not counting the infinite, cyclic multiverse that makes every game made by a player canon. Wait. There's your answer.

But if the Cycle is in fact the player, it makes sense why our Arisen fights the Dragon. They are commanded by their master to fight the Dragon, as the Dragon is commanded by the Cycle to fight the Arisen.

It's the reason why we have no heart, like the Pawns have no true soul. It's the reason the Arisen is unaging, like a Pawn.

We create the character, like a Pawn. We suit them up, like a Pawn. We control their actions, like a Pawn.

It's the reason why their are a multitude of infinite, cyclic worlds.

Because we pressed Start. We started the Cycle by playing the game.

And that's why the Arisen is also the Dragon and the Sensechal, because they are all the same thing! We restart the game, begin New Game Plus, begin everything all over.

We are the cause of all the suffering in these  worlds.

We are the Cycle, and the Arisen is our Pawn.

So what do you think?

[Shepenwepet]

Apophis4321 wrote...
So what do you think?

I think you may have put more thought into that analysis than Capcom put into the whole game. It's an interesting perspective, and I can see where you're coming from, but I really don't think it's as grand as all that.

Because we pressed Start. We started the Cycle by playing the game.

We didn't, though. For starters, Savan was heavily featured in that digital comic, which we had no part in. The cycle exists without us.

It's the reason why we have no heart, like the Pawns have no true soul. It's the reason the Arisen is unaging, like a Pawn.

Defeating the Dragon restores an Arisen's heart, they can then age and die, like Sofiah did. Not sure if she killed the dragon herself or she's just mooching off Savan's kill, but I'm quite sure her heart was restored to her, due to the age difference between her and Selene, who is supposed to look like her.

We control their actions, like a Pawn.

If Alynna could actually control Shinon he wouldn't be jumping off bridges all the time. Or standing directly in front of Death, taunting him with Chase and Seel.


I'm sure Death appreciated that, having them lined up all in a row so he could take them out with one swipe. <_<


Speaking of Seel, this was supposed to be a picture of Alynna and a siren diving at her from behind.

Thank you, Seel.

[Apophis4321]

Hey, it's interesting to speculate. The moment the game went meta on us is the moment everything went out the window.

For example: The Everfall post game is in fact implied to be separate Everfall Dungeons from across the Dragon's Dogma Infiverse (New nickname)

Or the fact that the game even states that the entire world is like Pawns, except for the one who has the will, which in itself begets the question.

Also, I love how the quote at the beginning of the game now has meaning: A novel pleasure of a useless occupation. Poor Savan.


Also, I ran into the Ur-Dragon. Not fun.

[CuriousArtemis]

Shepenwepet wrote...

If Alynna could actually control Shinon he wouldn't be jumping off bridges all the time. Or standing directly in front of Death, taunting him with Chase and Seel.

Seel says they lined up like that so his fireballs could make Shinon and Chase look pretty. Death is secondary to securing a beautiful action shot!



No excuses for blocking Alynna's shot. Maybe he's still fanboying over winged Thomas <3 and forgetting where to aim his staff. That's not an innuendo, I swear.

So tonight... Rohan and co. slew 2 drakes, 1 wyrm, 1 firedrake, and 1 cursed dragon = Nothing DF'ed <_<

Finally lured a 2nd cursed dragon out and did manage to get that carrion mantle DF'ed, yay! Seel seriously looks crazy with his cool mask now. Like super hedge witch "he might not be all there so watch out for stray thunderbolts" crazy. Radagast without the tender love for gentle forest creatures crazy. I think he keeps startling Thomas. 

Apophis4321 wrote...

Also, I ran into the Ur-Dragon. Not fun.

Level 140 and still afraid of the Ur-Dragon :innocent:

Modifié par motomotogirl, 09 janvier 2014 - 06:29 .

[Apophis4321]

I got some spare weapons I wish I could give to your pawns. Then again, my stuff probably sucks for you guys.

Next time definitely Xbox.

[Apophis4321]

Just finished NG+.

So the multiverse Arisen became Sensechal and- I'm confused.

Also, switching it around now. Artemis is now a warrior, and I'm now a Strider. Gonna get Magic Archer later, and all.

[Shepenwepet]

Apophis4321 wrote..

Or the fact that the game even states that the entire world is like Pawns, except for the one who has the will, which in itself begets the question.

Again, I understand where you're coming from, but "the one who has the will" Is the seneschal.

From the wiki:

The world feeds from the will of the Seneschal, eventually draining it and becoming stagnant. In turn, all life loses its will; leaving everything as an empty vessel of false life. In order to grant the inhabitants of the world their own volition, their own true life, the Seneschal sends in a Dragon from the Rift to find the next Arisen. Those who are chosen as Arisen by the Dragon display courage by confronting the beast and more importantly, display the will to survive. Of the few Arisen who reach the Seneschal, the ones who fail to display the will needed to sustain life become a Dragon, destined to seek out  the following Arisen.

There's also his dialogue during one of the fights:


"Yes, stoke the flame of your will to survive. To be victorious! Temper your soul in its heat! The forge of my heart grows cold, and the world shivers for it. Know this, Arisen: The world is merciless... Cold and empty, for all its beauty. It is an ever-turning wheel, perfect beyond compare. I stand at its center, as you may come to stand in turn. It is my will that keeps it spinning. My will that urges time onward through eternity. Our kind must fight, and through fighting prove the temper of our will. It is a fight that knows no end. It repeats upon itself, that all the world may repeat with it. And so the cycle continues, forever and ever and ever..."

So the multiverse Arisen became Sensechal and- I'm confused.

Why confused? Were you expecting your old Arisen? If you're online, it's a random pawn/arisen combo, and if you're offline, it's your previous pawn/arisen. Savan is freed from the cycle - you killed him. That's one of the deaths that stick.


Okay, here's some interesting dialogue from the seneschal.

"Aye, there is life in the world, and with it death. Naught lasts forever. Each rises and falls in its time. But such is a death akin to that of pawns. They appear in this world, then vanish only to appear again, like bubbles in a mountain spring. As so it is with all that lives within this eternal world. In time, you will come to see it happen under your watch as Seneschal. Each beast, each blade of grass, each human life is born to die and be born again in endless rhythm. Naught lasts forever, yet all persists unto eternity."


This seems to suggest that you wouldn't have seen it happen in your lifetime, despite those botched escort missions. Does it actually mean born again, does everyone live their entire lives and then relive them? If so, that doesn't explain why Aelinore respawned in my arisen's house as an adult. If not, and it is actually referring to the pawn-like respawning as if nothing happened, then where is Elysion? Why is there a quest to kill Salomet if he'll just respawn ten minutes later?

The fact that people are not aware of their fellow man dying and respawning leads me to believe that it is a birth-to-death cycle, where nobody would know that the world is repeating. But then again, if everything repeats, Savan wouldn't be free from the cycle, and he should still be sitting on that throne as seneschal in NG+.

My brain hurts and I have to go lie down.

Modifié par Shepenwepet, 09 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[Br3admax]

I like to think of it as if the cycle of events repeating, not the respawning of NPCs, if that is what you are saying. I've always assumed that Savan was simply another version of the Arisen that we play as, since he is "in a different land and under a different sky." I'm not saying that every Senechal must be a different version of some person from a fishing village, Savan's proof of that being false, but more along the lines that really only a single type of person can actually defeat the Senechal, and once that person does, the person that they used to be is replaced for the next cycle. The defeated Senechal escapes the cycle, but the cycle will just create another person like them to be the next font of will. The Senechal then having thousands of cycles to find that one person, for if we do actually see it during our reign, that would mean that the current Arisen was also born and also died many times before finally taking up the mantle; I assume that these periods of time are "Dragonless." I've always seen the fact that the exact same people always becoming Arisen and in the exact same roles as more of a game mechanic, but they too would have equivalents of course.

So the world is no different than the pawns when concerned to being reborn, but the Senchal says only in that sense are they no different than the pawns. Everything is born to die, and then be reborn. Simply put, I see this as learning to give will to pawns, notice how pawns only defend themselves when under your employ. They have no will to survive, they simply just are. The people of the world get their will from the Seneschal, they have the will to survive because they are under the Seneschal's command, whose reach goes throughout the entire world. The Arisen are different. They make their own will, a will that is strong enough to make them want to face the dragon, even knowing that his is foolish, and the ones with the most will can rise up to take the Seneschal's place. That is what I took from, "Yes, fight, Arisen, as you ere have fought in coming here! What is it that impels you? What force spurns you on? What sustained your wanderings and led you here? I ask you: What is it that makes you alive? 'Tis volition. Unbending will. You are here because you willed it, Arisen. That alone has brought you here." Emphasis on the alive part.

I'll think on this some more though.


On a side note, I never saw the point to buying DA, but as it's pretty cheap now, I decided to get it. I fought a Gorecyclopes for about an hour my level 45, a newer game. I promptly went back to Post-Dragon after beating it where I felt a lot safer.

[Shepenwepet]

Br3ad wrote...

I like to think of it as if the cycle of events repeating, not the respawning of NPCs, if that is what you are saying.

I assume that's what it's intended as - but it really makes no sense. They shouldn't be reborn until the cycle loops back around to the time they were born in the first place. NPCs should die and disappear until NG+. Like Sofiah. Sofiah didn't come back, yet she isn't free of the cycle, she's not the seneschal. Eventually, yes, when the cycle repeats she will be reborn, but not during your game, like everyone else seems to be.

The defeated Senechal escapes the cycle, but the cycle will just create another person like them to be the next font of will.

If Savan does in fact escape the cycle, this would have to be true, because we'd eventually run out of people, wouldn't we? Unless you count the newly-human pawns created by Godsbaning, but that would make our Arisen actually Salde, which makes no sense.

STOP MAKING ME THINK, I JUST WANNA TAKE PICTURES.


The plus side of Capcom's lack of explanations, or in some cases coherence, is that it makes for some interesting discussions, anyway.

[Bekkael]

Hi everyone! Hope you've all had a good start to the new year. I'm back to happily grinding away on this game (who can stay away, right?). :happy:

First, I'm sorry if any of your pawns came back with a 3 star rating. Death is being a punk lately and one-shot scything all my pawns before I even know he's there. <_< It is definitely on. Now, if I only knew how to kill him. Do blast arrows work well on him, or is there a better method/class to take him on with?

Here's another question: if I finish the game and start another playthrough, will it reset my BBI progress? I just finished killing Daimon in his first form, and I am not eager to rush ahead to his second form anytime soon. I don't really mind restarting BBI, I'm just curious if it will erase all my quests and stuff if I do.

It's kind of a silly reason why I want to restart....but I can't stand the ugly sky anymore! It's bad enough living through the icky, dark winter here in Wisconsin without having my game all ugly too. I've enjoyed Godsbaning in the Everfall in post-game, but I think I'm about ready to move on to a second playthrough.

@Carcharoth Free goodies?! I don't have Heaven's Key daggers, Saint George Mask, or either of the staves. I also wouldn't mind another Ascalon or Lambent Shield if you have extras and nobody else has asked for them. Basically, anything you don't want, please send my way!

EDIT: I also want to say a huge thanks for all of you who have used Quintin and gifted stuff to him. I appreciate it so much, so thank you!

Modifié par Bekkael, 09 janvier 2014 - 08:52 .

[Apophis4321]

If your on PSN I'll ue andf gift Quintin stuff. Need something to do in Gransys since I'm freaking afraid of BBI now. Heck, I gift all the Pawns I use for some reason.

Modifié par Apophis4321, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:08 .

[Bekkael]

On xbox, sorry. But I appreciate the thought.

[CuriousArtemis]

WELCOME BACK BEKKAEL!!!!  And Quintin  Make sure you check out Shep's signature; Shinon is doing an on-going news report on BBI; Quintin made an appearance early on 

I hope to play tonight; we'll see what happens. Might be visiting my sister-in-law and neice tonight, and I can't stay up late anymore since the semester is starting *cries*

[Apophis4321]

Too bad. In other news, I plan to go grind some Drakes. How many days does it take for enimies to respawn?

Modifié par Apophis4321, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:20 .

[coldwetn0se]

Still outta the game for a bit. We are on crunch time with the mod, so I have been testing my arse off. Sorry @carcharoth for not getting Chase swapped out for Warrior. If you end up giving the Angel's fist to someone else, don't worry your pretty bearded little head about it.

I read what everyone was saying, and have thoughts, but too stupid right now to comment. So, for now, I go with Shepen.....TAKE SCREENSHOTS! XD

Nice to see you back, Bekkael! Will take Quintin for a spin, next time I am on.....which will probably be 2015, the rate I am going. >.< LOL!

[Apophis4321]

Also Bekkael forgot to introduce myself.

I'm Apophis4321, and I actually take the lore of Dragon's Dogma seriously. Trust me, you don't want to get me started on my theory about the Arisen.

[Apophis4321]

I would love to take screenshots, but I suck at using the photo tool.

Modifié par Apophis4321, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:24 .

[Shepenwepet]

Bekkael wrote...

Hi everyone! Hope you've all had a good start to the new year. I'm back to happily grinding away on this game (who can stay away, right?). :happy:

Welcome back, Bekkael! Good to see you!

Do blast arrows work well on him, or is there a better method/class to take him on with?

I've never done it myself, but a ranger stacking 4 conquerer's periapts and using tenfold flurry with blast arrows will severely wound him, if not outright kill him. He does come back, though...

Here's another question: if I finish the game and start another playthrough, will it reset my BBI progress? I just finished killing Daimon in his first form, and I am not eager to rush ahead to his second form anytime soon. I don't really mind restarting BBI, I'm just curious if it will erase all my quests and stuff if I do.

Everything quest-y is wiped, yes. You'll still have all your nifty BBI gear, though.

I've enjoyed Godsbaning in the Everfall in post-game, but I think I'm about ready to move on to a second playthrough.

You must be one of the lucky ones that doesn't sit there for half and hour trying for something and then accidentally godsbaning anyway once you get what you're looking for. 

Modifié par Shepenwepet, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:24 .

[Apophis4321]

Cyclic worlds, cyclic Everfall. Cyclic life. Cyclic events?

Also here's some food for thought. The Sensechal's office as it were is basically outside the yoke of eternity. (The Achievement/Trophy) And if the Everfall is the representation of the infinite worlds in cyclic loop, does that mean the Sensechal's office is outside the Cycle, therefor can be changed permanently?