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Lulz. Just ignore Elton - he's got a fetish for hating on Skyrim.

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greengoron89 wrote...

It is confirmed that you can move and shoot at the same time in RE6, in addition to numerous other new tricks and advances in the control scheme - here, see for yourself:

www.youtube.com/watch


Moving and shooting at the same time? In a Resident Evil Game?

My god the Mayans were right!


THE END

THE END IS AT HAND REPENT!!! REPENT!!!

As an edit I think this has some truth to it. "Fact: Leon is afraid to be in odd numbered RE games."

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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...
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Ummm...he runs actually and he said it would take 30 minutes to run across the entire map (not that he's even done it but he's assumed based on the trek he did from the starting village to the fort). I'm sure the mountains may also contribute to the time it takes. I do remember the developer also saying that it took 5 hours to trek from the beggining of the coastline to the end but considering the new information I doubt that's true. Maybe it takes 5 hours if you go about killing things from top to bottom but this just shows how misleading Capcom have been.


Perhaps!  But, in all honesty, I could deal with the 30 minute map... but not with knowing there's 100 quests sitting on my disc hidden behind a paywall.  Which is a shame because I was really getting excited to play this game, but I'm gonna have to wait on this.  Then pay a lower price with all the content.

On another note: I will definitely be buying Resident Evil 6... no matter how awful it might be.  That's one game that I have a weak spot for. haha

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So all desire for this is pretty much gone, right? What a shame.

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I truly doubt RE6 will be "awful" - I have yet to ever play a RE game that I didn't like. They all have a certain... charm to them that no other game series can replicate.

And RE4 and RE5 were just downright fun, stiff controls and all - RE5 is probably my favorite in the series, in fact. I'll probably be playing it again for the gazillionth time before RE6 drops. :D

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I don't remember FONV or Skyrim being released with gamebreaking bugs.


LOL

I liked that one.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I don't remember FONV or Skyrim being released with gamebreaking bugs.


LOL

I liked that one.



As much as I like both games. Its ultra rare for them not to freeze up or have a broken quest or some other glitch in any given day of play.

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@Elton

Speculation and proof are two different things, and pre-order DLC is not the same as on disk. Dragon's Dogma is a new IP, and it is pretty disrespectful to do this to an unproven franchise. I also see you slagging Skyrim off, but funnily enough DD is not out so no one knows if DD has some game breaking bugs, and I'll also throw my hat into the ring of never facing anything gamebreaking in Skyrim or New Vegas, both much better games than anything Capcom has put out recently.

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Yes, it has the best character creator I've seen, what other games allow you to grab onto enemies so other characters can wail on them or grab onto and ride flying enemies... I can't think of any.


60 dollars to live out your muscled women fetish? Wow.

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@jesuno

I'm not sure if I'm misreading your post (which I think I am) but Capcom already confirmed there is on disc DLC that has nothing to do with pre-order bonuses. It's 100 missions + other goodies locked behind a paywall, and already finished before launch.

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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

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I'm not sure if I'm misreading your post (which I think I am) but Capcom already confirmed there is on disc DLC that has nothing to do with pre-order bonuses. It's 100 missions + other goodies locked behind a paywall, and already finished before launch.


I was reffering to Elton's post a couple of pages back. He tried to defend the on disk stuff by saying that Capcom had previously stated that there was preorder DLC. I stated that those two things had nothing in common.

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jesuno wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

Yes, it has the best character creator I've seen, what other games allow you to grab onto enemies so other characters can wail on them or grab onto and ride flying enemies... I can't think of any.


60 dollars to live out your muscled women fetish? Wow.


I guess if you want to think of it that way.  But hey, I pretty much bought SoulCalibur V for the same reason.  But DD's gameplay looks good to me.  I still have it pre-ordered and I still can't wait til I have it and my PS3 sent to my current location away from home.

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@Elton

Speculation and proof are two different things, and pre-order DLC is not the same as on disk. Dragon's Dogma is a new IP, and it is pretty disrespectful to do this to an unproven franchise. I also see you slagging Skyrim off, but funnily enough DD is not out so no one knows if DD has some game breaking bugs, and I'll also throw my hat into the ring of never facing anything gamebreaking in Skyrim or New Vegas, both much better games than anything Capcom has put out recently.


I guess you missed my last few posts. I'm not defending Dragon's Dogma's disc locked content (and it's not pre-order DLC and Capcom confirmed DD has disc locked content). I was simply talking about the size of the map. Also people have already got their hands onto final version builds of Dragon's Dogma and no one has reported any bugs thus far. Robcram1 on YouTube has plenty of videos up of the game and none show bugs and he hasn't mentioned that there's any game breaking bugs in the game and he's at least 100 hours into it. Meanwhile he claims that he believes he broke the main quest after killing some important NPC's but that's hardly a bug and just the game having consequences. Either way it's just his belief that it's broken the main quest and I have no idea if he's progressed further since then.

I haven't played any Capcom games since Resident Evil 2 so I can't really comment on how good recent titles from Capcom have been. Meanwhile a quick Google search about Skyrim being bugged will reveal to you just how many bugs are in the game.

Click.

100 people could throw their hat into the bug free zone oforSkyrim. This doesn't change the fact that most encountered game breaking bugs and glitches hence the rating for the PS3 version on Metacritic. Hell the Bugs article for Skyrim on its wikia has been locked due to high traffic and lots of editing. If that doesn't say anything to you then I guess nothing else will.

FYI I'll be avoiding DD until the GOTY or Ultimate edition is released or whatever.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 17 mai 2012 - 05:22 .


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Dragon's Dogma This is Seriously the Full Game Edition.

I've been pretty lucky with Skyrim and haven't experienced too many game breaking bugs... from what I understand, it's mostly an issue for PS3. I think this was also the case with the Fallout games. I'm not 100% sure, but I feel like I've been pretty lucky with Xbox and bugs.

Actually, the only game I consistently had problems with was Mass Effect 3 multiplayer and sometimes SP. A few times my game would freeze up when I tried to join a party's game for MP, or during an actual match. Quite frustrating.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

This was discovered months back or at least speculated about. For one Capcom said they were releasing a 100 quest DLC pack some months back and some people were able to win the DLC pack for free. Secondly, Capcom also said at the start of this year that the Xbox 360 version would be getting DLC first. Thirdly Capcom's pre-order DLC has been known since last year. Fourthly, all of Capcom's games thus far have shipped with DLC on the disc.

The conclusion? Dragon's Dogma would have DLC on the disc and it would be content locked. We actually had a debate about this a few pages back on page 13. I was going to wait for the "Dragon's Dogma Rediculously Super Awesome God Sexy Handsome Mad Man of Badassesery Deluxe Gold and Silver Edition of The Dragon and Capcom Signed By Developers of Capcom Exclusive Driztsaian Multi Deluxe DLC Package + Expansion and Disc Locked Content Unlocked" but decided against it on account that the game offers 300 hours in gameplay already. What else is there coming out for the 360? A 7 hour shooter with recycled mechanics being priced at £40? No thanks.

I can sell this game later once I hear rumors of the "Dragon's Dogma Rediculously Super Awesome God Sexy Handsome Mad Man of Badassesery Deluxe Gold and Silver Edition of The Dragon and Capcom Signed By Developers of Capcom Exclusive Driztsaian Multi Deluxe DLC Package + Expansion and Disc Locked Content Unlocked"  and then buy that one when it releases but by then I should have probably got more of my money's worth from the game.

I'm against disc locked content as much as the next guy and there's a reason why Capcom are often called Crapcom but I'm not going to wait a year to play an action-RPG which actually is rather unique and gets the action done well.


This post has nothing to do with the map.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I don't remember FONV or Skyrim being released with gamebreaking bugs.


LOL

I liked that one.


I know I didn't either.  other than a handful of crashes with NV (still playing it) I have had nothing of the sort.

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So all desire for this is pretty much gone, right? What a shame.


I'm still getting it.  Day one.  And I'm quite excited about it, too!  Just a few more days to go...

To be honest I'm surprised this thread is still going on.  I figured it died 10 pages ago.  But anyway.  Personally, I'm "meh" on the whole on-disc dlc in this case.  Capcom never made it a secret that they wanted to further support the game with dlc in the first place, so whatever form it comes in is their decision.  It doesn't mean you have to like it, and you can express that by not buying the dlc... or not buying the game day one and waiting for the Super Awesome Gold yada, yada, whatever EJiD called it.  (Though I'm curious what kind of impact buying a game day one or waiting for an ultimate edition really does on the devs, but I guess that's off topic to this discussion.)
 
I still find that this game is worth full price for the amount of content it has as is.  Some people have gotten the strategy guides early and have said the amount of different weapons, equipment, and other loot is in the hundreds!  Top that off with hundreds of areas to explore, lots enemies to destroy, and that the gameplay looks really fun, yeah.  I think I'll be satisfied.  *shrugs*  Anyway, just my opinion. 

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Elton John is dead wrote...

There's also Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. The climbing may be scripted but you're not attacking their knees or legs when fighting them and when you're not climbing them or performing scripted attacks against them they actually have some deadly attacks. The giant ogre actually does some rather quick attacks.

Beowulf The Game was a flawed action game and rather short but it did some elements surprising well. You could grab any enemy and you sometimes saw your soldiers struggling against the enemy and could help them by attacking the enemy they were struggling against. Meanwhile you could wrestle against ogres and trolls. Sadly the end boss fight did suffer from the "attack the knees" syndrome as you fought against some huge dragon but at least you were rewarded afterwards with an awesome QTE event.

Still Dragon's Dogma is the only game I can think of where all these events feel much more...let's say "free" for lack of a better word. The climbing isn't scripted and neither is the companion help. Mind you everything else Dragon's Dogma offers can be found in Dark Souls which nails everything else better. Dark Souls has the more polished combat system, the better emphasis on class and weapons (each weapon has its own animation, attacks and attack style), clearly the more dangerous world and certainly the more varied world.

Dragon's Dogma could easily be this year's GOTY (well, that is if Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 doesn't come out this year because if it does and it's like the first but more improved and bigger, then I don't see any titles competing against it this year unless Larian release Divinity 3 this year which is unlikely considering they have Dragon Commander planned for this year and I imagine Divinity 3 is planned for next year) but I don't really want to fork out £40 on what is an incomplete game. If I want an incomplete game I'll buy Skyrim.

Meanwhile I've seen the world map which suggests that there's areas which are cut off. Here's the explorable areas:

The green areas are forests which are explorable.

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Here's a more detailed version:

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Now let's have a loot at the map of this entire island:

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Look at the west and the shaded out north. I'm certain these areas will be DLC areas. I originally thought the DLC would be just extra quests (probably boring fetch quests adding maybe one or two new caves to explore or something) and extra items and nothing that major but the map seems to suggest otherwise. I'd imagine that at least 30% of the map is locked for the DLC which is already on disc.

Nice try Capcom but I'll wait for the Dragon's Dogma Rediculously Super Awesome God Sexy Handsome Mad Man of Badassesery Deluxe Gold and Silver Edition of The Dragon and Capcom Signed By Developers of Capcom Exclusive Driztsaian Multi Deluxe DLC Package + Expansion and Disc Locked Content Unlocked edition if I even decide to buy the game at all now.

Still think the map is big? Maybe the scale is different? Well according to this guy it only takes 30 minutes to get from the bottom to the top:

 

Which is contrary to Capcom's claims that it takes 2 - 3 hours to cross the world.

I must admit that Capcom played everything well. The way they had those developer diaries where the developers talked about the game and their work on it as though they were passionate about it and then we had all the trailers and videos showing how the game stands out and how the features are rather innovative. To top all that off, Capcom were so confident in the game that they gave us a demo to play.

Then all of this information is revealed.

So to Capcom I say:

Well played. You nearly had everyone fooled.

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10/10

Bethesda could learn a thing or two from you.

Back to Baldur's Gate, Divinity 2 and Dark Souls I guess.



I guess you missed this quote jesuno. I originally thought the on disc content were those pre-order bonuses and quests which I couldn't care for (after all we already know that most quests in this game seem to be escort, kill X enemies and fetch quests). After the map was revealed you could tell Capcom had locked off some of the map and I swear that robscram1 even mentioned coming across invisible walls. Even had a reviewer (supposedly) say that the game is literally swaming with advertisements for DLC. I'm guessing the advertisements are in the form of locked doors maybe.

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I did not miss anything, I was responding when you gave four reasons defending Capcom's inclusion of on disk paid content, with you were perfectly willing to buy the game. Your decision to not buy the game because of your issue's with the map have nothing to do with the on disk content. Also, your detective skills could use some work, I've been here since 2010.

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You change your post and added a lot more info, good on you. Truthfully, I did not read that entire post and relied more on later posts that made it seem that you were more pissed about not being able to run for 2 hours across the map. And I have heard about the in game DLC advertisements as well.

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jesuno wrote...

I did not miss anything, I was responding when you gave four reasons defending Capcom's inclusion of on disk paid content, with you were perfectly willing to buy the game. Your decision to not buy the game because of your issue's with the map have nothing to do with the on disk content. Also, your detective skills could use some work, I've been here since 2010.


I wasn't defending anything. I was simply stating that I originally thought the disc locked content was the pre-order bonuses and a few items and nothing major. I even made it perfectly clear that I hated disc locked content as much as the next guy but said I would still be buying the game because it's 300 hours and the disc locked content probably wouldn't have been anything major. The four points I gave was in response to those who thought the game would be releasing with everything included on the disc. It was not a defense of Capcom's practice. Reading comprehension failure much?

My issue isn't with the map but with the content that is within that map that has been locked off. There are probably unique enemies, quests, towns, dungeons and at least 50 hours of content in the map that has been locked and that's where my issued arrived from not from the locked items and 100 fetch quests.

Also your reading skills could use some work. I never even questioned what date you joined BSN.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

jesuno wrote...

I did not miss anything, I was responding when you gave four reasons defending Capcom's inclusion of on disk paid content, with you were perfectly willing to buy the game. Your decision to not buy the game because of your issue's with the map have nothing to do with the on disk content. Also, your detective skills could use some work, I've been here since 2010.


I wasn't defending anything. I was simply stating that I originally thought the disc locked content was the pre-order bonuses and a few items and nothing major. I even made it perfectly clear that I hated disc locked content as much as the next guy but said I would still be buying the game because it's 300 hours and the disc locked content probably wouldn't have been anything major. The four points I gave was in response to those who thought the game would be releasing with everything included on the disc. It was not a defense of Capcom's practice. Reading comprehension failure much?

My issue isn't with the map but with the content that is within that map that has been locked off. There are probably unique enemies, quests, towns, dungeons and at least 50 hours of content in the map that has been locked and that's where my issued arrived from not from the locked items and 100 fetch quests.

Also your reading skills could use some work. I never even questioned what date you joined BSN.


Yeah, but until you modified your post you claimed I was Jestino or something. I guess we are ignoring that now?

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jesuno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

jesuno wrote...

I did not miss anything, I was responding when you gave four reasons defending Capcom's inclusion of on disk paid content, with you were perfectly willing to buy the game. Your decision to not buy the game because of your issue's with the map have nothing to do with the on disk content. Also, your detective skills could use some work, I've been here since 2010.


I wasn't defending anything. I was simply stating that I originally thought the disc locked content was the pre-order bonuses and a few items and nothing major. I even made it perfectly clear that I hated disc locked content as much as the next guy but said I would still be buying the game because it's 300 hours and the disc locked content probably wouldn't have been anything major. The four points I gave was in response to those who thought the game would be releasing with everything included on the disc. It was not a defense of Capcom's practice. Reading comprehension failure much?

My issue isn't with the map but with the content that is within that map that has been locked off. There are probably unique enemies, quests, towns, dungeons and at least 50 hours of content in the map that has been locked and that's where my issued arrived from not from the locked items and 100 fetch quests.

Also your reading skills could use some work. I never even questioned what date you joined BSN.


Yeah, but until you modified your post you claimed I was Jestino or something. I guess we are ignoring that now?


Justino actually. It was a joke. Everytime I see your username I think of the name Justino. I edited the post because I thought it wasn't even worth saying in the end.

Truth is I've been wary of buying this game since day one because Capcom was behind it and then I gave them the benefit of the doubt but later decided against it.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 17 mai 2012 - 08:41 .


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Elton John is dead wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I don't remember FONV or Skyrim being released with gamebreaking bugs.


LOL

I liked that one.


You haven't played them so how would you know.

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Elton John vs. the masses!

On topic: @Evewyn

Developers still get a lot of revenue when they release Ultimate Editions from people who come later in the game, but, typically I see UE's selling for $40-50 as opposed to the $65.xx first day + $xx per DLC. So, effectively, they lose maybe $30-40 from people who just wait until they get the game with everything on it. In the end, less money and perhaps a message if they want to see it that way.

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Mystik Knight Gameplay[/quote]

Such a shame they chose to do this since the game looks like it would be a ton of fun.