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[sympathy4sarenreturns]

LPPrince wrote...

I've never played Dragon's Dogma so I take it I'm better off for waiting?

Ditto. Not even sure I'll get around to it. Not a big fan of Capcom, either. I heard rumor this game was "hard", but it can't be that hard.

Are there lots of dungeons to explore? How is loot, and how big is the map?

I might check it out, but then again. I might be getting my existence sucked out of my body by Dark Souls II.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, I'm not the least bit interested, but word of mouth is pretty strong.

[The Hierophant]

Youth4Ever wrote...

I'm going to trade in the copy of DD I have ASAP and use a $10 dollar off coupon at Gamestop to see if I can get the price in the target range of about $20 dollars or less -- the cost of the dlc. I'll buy it then. But I won't forget this Capcom! I won't buy a vanilla game of yours again.

After completing the game i think i might save my money instead. Hopefully when the sequel is developed Capcom has improved on their story structuring/telling, and adds dialogue options.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 26 janvier 2013 - 02:38 .

[The Hierophant]

*just noticed* 

@Sympathy4sarenreturns & LPPrince - There's around a dozen dungeons, the loot system is percentage based when opening treasure chests or searching scrap piles. The story is non existant for the majority of the game save for the beginning, the finale, and postgame while there's a lack of dialogue options(srsly Capcom). Sadly It has a one save system(slightly mitigated with a flash drive) that is similar to RE's Mercenaries 3d, and was designed in a fail attempt to cut down on item duping.

The game's main strengths are it's cc, interchangeable class system, weapon, and armor designs along with it's combat If you don't mind hack & slash that's slightly similar to the latest Souls games. With it's negativesthe game is obviously not for everyone. 

If you're still interested you should wait for Dark Arisen's eventual price drop if no other game at that time peaks your interests.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 27 janvier 2013 - 06:01 .

[LPPrince]

Youth4Ever wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've never played Dragon's Dogma so I take it I'm better off for waiting?

Heck yes. Don't buy it until the $40 dollar game+expansion comes out. Don't buy the vanilla game!

I'm just...not interested. Like, at all.

But word of mouth, I'm telling you. I talk about hybrid classes in the DA3 section and Dragon's Dogma comes up. I talk about character creation and Dragon's Dogma comes up.

It doesn't really matter, somehow the game always comes up.

I might just get it just to tell happy_daiz that I finally picked up and played Dargon's Madog.

[The Hierophant]

LPPrince wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've never played Dragon's Dogma so I take it I'm better off for waiting?

Heck yes. Don't buy it until the $40 dollar game+expansion comes out. Don't buy the vanilla game!

I'm just...not interested. Like, at all.

But word of mouth, I'm telling you. I talk about hybrid classes in the DA3 section and Dragon's Dogma comes up. I talk about character creation and Dragon's Dogma comes up.

It doesn't really matter, somehow the game always comes up.

I might just get it just to tell happy_daiz that I finally picked up and played Dargon's Madog.

To be safe you should Gamefly it.

[LPPrince]

Nah, I always buy my games new. I get burned sometimes, but I'm fine with that.

On the subject of Dragon's Dogma ALWAYS coming up-

I was in Gamestop the other day to preorder Tomb Raider when I got to small talking with a friend who works at the store.

We ended up getting to talking about the Game of Thrones video game, and he tells me this story about a guy who really loved the books and show and preordered the CE of the game.

The employee was trying to convince him not to pick up the game because the reviews before release were saying that the game was garbage. He was telling him to cancel the preorder and put money down on-

Dragon's Dogma.

Well, the guy went ahead and preordered GoT anyway, came to pick it up, the same back and forth happened between the two but the guy insisted on getting GoT.

Two hours later, he returns the game, puts down a preorder on Dragon's Dogma.

2 days and a week later, in the store, "Man, that Dragon's Dogma game is awesome, I love it"

*insert raging I TOLD YOU SO employee*

[TheChris92]

My save games was deleted 2 days ago, for some reason. I've been reading up on something like that and it is a common issue apparently. Still don't get why Capcom didn't think of adding alternate save file spaces, even JRPGs like Final Fantasy has that. I'd like to warn people now that you should probably save your save game on a USB (if on Xbox) or something alternative. Just in case.

Modifié par TheChris92, 26 janvier 2013 - 11:11 .

[ev76]

Well looks like I will not be playing dark arisen. Better trade in my dd game for store credit.

[The Hierophant]

Funny story. LPPrince i would wait until April's release of DD:Dark Arisen as that is an extended adedition with more enemy types, skills, cc options, new dungeon, and gear.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 26 janvier 2013 - 04:02 .

[LPPrince]

Yeah I'm just trying to find out more about the game at this point.

Visiting the wikia, trying to learn the game mechanics, watching gameplay, etc etc.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Dark Arisen expansion is £13.62 on Amazon uk for those interested:

http://www.amazon.co...x/dp/B00B69GC8I

I'm guessing this is the stand-alone version that connects onto the original game?

@LP

I recommend you get it. Yeah Capcom are still their old scammer selfs with the DLC but you get around 100 hours of content so you'll be getting more than your money's worth. The story is garbage, the save system is annoying, the escort quests are bull but customization is amazing, combat is f***ing epic, quests from NPC's actually have some interesting stories and objectives which can often form into complete side stories and the whole quickiness of the game is a charm seriously.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 27 janvier 2013 - 01:14 .

[LPPrince]

Elton John is dead wrote...

@LP

I recommend you get it. Yeah Capcom are still their old scammer selfs with the DLC but you get around 100 hours of content so you'll be getting more than your money's worth. The story is garbage, the save system is annoying, the escort quests are bull but customization is amazing, combat is f***ing epic, quests from NPC's actually have some interesting stories and objectives which can often form into complete side stories and the whole quickiness of the game is a charm seriously.

Lets see what my immediate feelings are on that-

Capcom scammers- eww
100 hours of content- yay
Story is garbage- well, that sucks
Save system is annoying- also garbage
Escort quests are bull- when are they NOT
Customization is amazing-

You know, watching a guy go through the customization of his Arisen and Main Pawn, I can't wait to create my characters(if I get the game). That's really appealing.

Combat is *expletive* epic- noted previously. Agreed.

etc etc Its a game with great concept but mediocre execution.

[lil yonce]

LPPrince wrote...

Customization is amazing-

You know, watching a guy go through the customization of his Arisen and Main Pawn, I can't wait to create my characters(if I get the game). That's really appealing.

Yes, the CC is great. Not perfect, but great. I like how my main pawn and arisen turned out. Of any RPG, Dragon's Dogma has allowed me to create female characters that acutally look good in a vanilla CC.

My main pawn and arisen --

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 27 janvier 2013 - 04:00 .

[slimgrin]

It's the save point system that seems to suck the most. WTF is up with Japanese devs and a lack of save points?...it's a bloody RPG for christsake. I have no doubt combat is good, it's Capcom. Story, I wouldn't hang your hopes on. Everything else, I don't know about. I just know when Capcom wants to make something good, they most certainly can.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 janvier 2013 - 04:29 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

LPPrince wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

@LP

I recommend you get it. Yeah Capcom are still their old scammer selfs with the DLC but you get around 100 hours of content so you'll be getting more than your money's worth. The story is garbage, the save system is annoying, the escort quests are bull but customization is amazing, combat is f***ing epic, quests from NPC's actually have some interesting stories and objectives which can often form into complete side stories and the whole quickiness of the game is a charm seriously.

Lets see what my immediate feelings are on that-

Capcom scammers- eww
100 hours of content- yay
Story is garbage- well, that sucks
Save system is annoying- also garbage
Escort quests are bull- when are they NOT
Customization is amazing-

You know, watching a guy go through the customization of his Arisen and Main Pawn, I can't wait to create my characters(if I get the game). That's really appealing.

Combat is *expletive* epic- noted previously. Agreed.

etc etc Its a game with great concept but mediocre execution.

What do you mean about the escort quests? If you're referring to escort quests in other games then no but in Dragon's Dogma yes. Why? Well the escort quests involve going to the EXACT same place each time and the reward for completing them is often pointless with NPC's followers being easily killed especially by the giant enemies (and the quest fails when they are killed).

Escort quests where there was an objective would have been better. Like taking a knight to a fort to defend it with him or a story driven escort quest but the escort quests in Dragon's Dogma are so repetitive that they become boring to complete. I completed three and then avoided the rest. Generally they gain you affinity with a certain character but you can gain affinity simply by giving them gifts which is quicker.

However the quests you recieve from NPC's were actually well done.

Although I do agree with "it's a game with a great concept but mediocre execution" although the grabbing feature, combat, exploration and customization were all executed very well. Mainly it was the story and lack of extra saves that are the main flaws IMO.

Capcom had a new demo out for Dragon's Dogma which allows you to take your character and pawn and play up to the Hydra battle which means you get the village and the small region outside it to roam about for a bit. I'm guessing you've tried it already but if you haven't then do so.

===

We'll see what Dark Arisen brings. The trailer suggests it's a continuation of the story and the antagonist seems pretty awesome. Hopefully they've actually paid some attention with the story-line this time. Hell they might have even have added a proper save system in where you can have multiple saves.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 27 janvier 2013 - 06:13 .

[LPPrince]

I have not.

[SeismicGravy]

Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!!!!

Level 91 Magic Knight, strength rating of over 2000, 2 Rangers and a Strider, and despite enchanting all our weapons with holy light I STILL can't damage him!

I'm obviously doing something wrong here.......

[The Hierophant]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!!!!

Level 91 Magic Knight, strength rating of over 2000, 2 Rangers and a Strider, and despite enchanting all our weapons with holy light I STILL can't damage him!

I'm obviously doing something wrong here.......

The bulk of the Mystic Knight's moves use the magic stat as the damage modifier. Basically a PC who spent the majority of their levels as a Sorceror would benefit more from the MK class than a physical class like Assassin, Warrior, Strider. If your magic stat was 1200 or higher the MK's Blessed Trance + Magick/Great Cannon would allow you to stand in place while hitting Magick/Great Cannon. and make noticeable damage to Ur's health bar 

What was your classes before you changed it to Mystic Knight? Which console version of the game do you own?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 janvier 2013 - 02:57 .

[SeismicGravy]

When I started the game initially I was:

1st playthrough: Fighter (didn't find dragon)
2nd playthrough: Strider: (As above)
3rd playthrough Assassin (Found dragon)
And now on my 4th playthrough I'm trying to level up all the different classes to see if they have any augmentation that may help. (Have lvl 9 Warrior. lvl7 Mage lvl3 Magic Archer)

Playng the 360 version.

[The Hierophant]

When fighting the Ur Dragon you should choose your class on based on your highest offensive stat, like Assassin for Strength, or Sorceror for Magick. Also level up the Assassin class until you get Bloodlust as that augment doubles your offensive stats during night time.

Since you are on the 360 it's good to checkup on Gamefaqs'/GameSpot's 360 version of the Dragon Dogma board as it would contain threads on the progress of the current Ur-Dragon like it's generation, health, and tips.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:14 .

[deuce985]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Shepenwepet wrote...
Lol, in all honesty, I don't care, I'd just like to understand Capcom's reasoning.

Money.

Capcom is going with "technical difficulties."

For what it's worth:

I get it guys. We went round and round with the team on this topic as it would have been a preferred option from our standpoint too. As it turns out, I'm sorry but unfortunately there were major technical limitations that couldn't allow for a digital upgrade path. The original game was just not designed to be expanded (no hooks in the original code) and so a full-game delivery mechanism was the only option.

We also tried to explore a number of mechanisms to try and otherwise put this full product in original owners hands at a discount digitally but we would have run afowl of a few first party policies (not any first party's fault, t'was our fault).

So instead, we're packing more than $20 worth of value in digital rewards for existing users:  100K rift crystals (which in DDDA have a LOT more uses than they did in DD vanilla) the Gransys armor pack and the unlimited Ferrystone. We hope this will be a sufficent  "thank you" for being part of the first wave of Dragon's Dogma fans given the development limitations we had.

Thanks again for your continued support and I hope to see you in Gransys in April.

Christian Svensson
Corporate Officer/Senior Vice-President

Source

Apparently, all of the DLC from the original DD will be included in Dark Arisen as well. Which I suppose could add to or soften the blow depending on whether you've already purchased them too. Personally, I never did, but still...not really happy about the whole thing as a matter of principle.

That's a load of dung. They're just doing damage control on consumers who already own the game. Bringing all that technical lingo in so none of their consumers can question the decision. 99.9% of their consumers probably aren't game devs, so, they figure we can't question them. Even if it was true, Capcom brought it on themselves. They've screwed consumers over multiple times this generation. See what they did with Asura's Wrath and their fighting games. This is a ploy for money, nothing more. It's not "technical difficulties' as they claim. Sorry if I don't believe that because Capcom has a history of shafting us.

I will not buy this game again new. I still want to play some DD goodness though. While I hate punishing the devs for making a good game, you have to put your foot down as a consumer somewhere. I'm going to buy this used since I already own DD. That way Capcom doesn't get a penny from me and I don't miss more DD goodness. I might be one person sending a message but I will stand by the principle and refuse to give them my money from a scheme that's not consumer-friendly. I'm not bending over and spreading my cheeks for these publishers anymore. I'm tired of it.

Everything in this industry is forced on the consumer and their ******-poor managment doesn't have to account for anything. We have to pay for their bad management. Because they can't adapt to the industry and complain costs are soaring through the roof, they continue to push schemes punishing the consumer. Here's a thought - maybe you're losing money because you keep screwing us over? Ever thought of that?

The longer we yield to practices like this, the worse it will get. You've seen it all generation, they continue to tax us more and more but quality isn't changing. We control the market as consumers. When will it be enough? I'm still waiting for the day someone releases a $60 game and then you have to pay another $120 to get the rest. Capcom already did something similar like that with Asura's Wrath...

Whoever said this is the same thing as GOTY Edition above is wrong. They're not giving me the option to buy this expansion separate. I have to buy the entire game again for it. I can buy the DLC separate and cheaper in GOTY versions since I already own the game. Big difference...

Modifié par deuce985, 28 janvier 2013 - 11:40 .

[SeismicGravy]

Huge thanks for that website bud, really helped alot.

I didn't take down the last dragon (Gen 186) but I must have done more damage to it that I thought I had (health bar still didn't move), since my prize loot for contributing was roughly 30k, a Ferrystone and rather tasty looking Shield for my Mystic Knight,

[Eternal Phoenix]

deuce985 wrote...
Whoever said this is the same thing as GOTY Edition above is wrong. They're not giving me the option to buy this expansion separate. I have to buy the entire game again for it. I can buy the DLC separate and cheaper in GOTY versions since I already own the game. Big difference...

You're paying £13 to buy the expansion. Technically you're getting the full-game free as a result and yet you complain? With a GOTY edition you're paying £40 for the game + expansion (and DLC in some cases). The original game (on Amazon.uk at least) costs £8 more than the Dark Arisen edition brand new.

When I thought it was being charged at £40, it was different but at £13? That's good. Just sell the original edition. Problem solved.

Unless this £13 edition is the stand-alone expansion? Or maybe it's an error in the system (although this seems unlikely now that they've updated the page further more but kept the pricing same for both the PS3 and 360 version...)

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.co...x/dp/B00B69GC8I

Unless you're in America, then it seems you'll be paying $39.99 (£25) but wasn't the original game priced at $59.99 when it released? I just checked Capcom's latest game that they published (DmC) and it's going for that price...

Still you can sell the original edition though since it's going for $30.00 used...

From what I see, Capcom are doing something similar to the "Prepare to Die edition" of Dark Souls which also contained the full game along with the expansion but was priced cheaper.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 29 janvier 2013 - 04:01 .

[deuce985]

Elton John is dead wrote...

deuce985 wrote...
Whoever said this is the same thing as GOTY Edition above is wrong. They're not giving me the option to buy this expansion separate. I have to buy the entire game again for it. I can buy the DLC separate and cheaper in GOTY versions since I already own the game. Big difference...

You're paying £13 to buy the expansion. Technically you're getting the full-game free as a result and yet you complain? With a GOTY edition you're paying £40 for the game + expansion (and DLC in some cases). The original game (on Amazon.uk at least) costs £8 more than the Dark Arisen edition brand new.

When I thought it was being charged at £40, it was different but at £13? That's good. Just sell the original edition. Problem solved.

Unless this £13 edition is the stand-alone expansion? Or maybe it's an error in the system (although this seems unlikely now that they've updated the page further more but kept the pricing same for both the PS3 and 360 version...)

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.co...x/dp/B00B69GC8I

Unless you're in America, then it seems you'll be paying $39.99 (£25) but wasn't the original game priced at $59.99 when it released? I just checked Capcom's latest game that they published (DmC) and it's going for that price...

Still you can sell the original edition though since it's going for $30.00 used...

From what I see, Capcom are doing something similar to the "Prepare to Die edition" of Dark Souls which also contained the full game along with the expansion but was priced cheaper.

It's not the same thing. Dark Souls gave me the option to buy their DLC separate since I already owned the game(which I did). It was only $10-$15. The Prepare to Die Edition is for people  who don't already own the game. Capcom isn't giving us the option to buy this expansion separate. If they did, it probably would be priced around $15. Instead, they're trying to sugar coat it by giving extra rift crystals into the normal game(which are completely useless) to try and make it sound like people who already own the game get incentives. DD standard edition will drop under $20 when this releases. They should have an option to buy just the expansion at $15-$20 but they don't. Every freaking game in existence does this so they don't screw original buyers over. That's why I'm not buying their excuse it's a technical problem.

Capcom did something similar in one of their fighting games. It's shady. Plain and simple. I'm hoping they don't try to block used sales with a code to unlock the expansion or something. I'm going to buy it used just to put the middle finger to them so they don't touch one cent of the $40(or whatever I pay for it). $20 difference isn't a dent to my wallet, but I'm going to put my foot down and protect myself as a consumer. I might be the only one that does it but I'll stand by the principle I'm not supporting a company who sticks it to the consumer.

Paid $60 for Dark Souls at retail+$10 optional DLC = $70

Paid $60 retail for Dragon's Dogma+$40 for the ENTIRE game again plus the DLC = $100 ...with no option to buy just the expansion separate

Do you see the problem now? I'm not sure how anyone can defend Capcom on this. Regardless how much you like DD. I like it too but this is crap. You're not getting a deal on a game that's over a year old. Most games fall to about the price of $20 about a year from release. So, you're paying an extra $20 for the expansion. Would've been nice to just pay that extra $20 and save myself $20 since I already own it...

Oh yea, don't get me started on the original DLC they had for this game. It was all RETAIL LOCKED to the disc and it's some of the worst DLC I've ever played. I realized at that point why everyone says Capcom is the worst publisher in the industry right now on consumer practices.

Modifié par deuce985, 29 janvier 2013 - 05:29 .