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[Jog0907]

JeffZero wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

^I certainly wouldn't describe ME1's Tali as a "top-tier combatant" -- she was given the basic survival 101 course at Flotilla U but otherwise, nah.

She was the best combat tech on the squad. As good as an "Engineer" Shepard. She may not have been as well trained in guns as a "Soldier" (though surprisingly she was about as good with a shotgun as the Krogan Battlemaster), but her skillset was just as useful (often MORE useful) in a fight as Wrex, Garrus, or Ashley. My point is, all the "Normandy" NPCs like the engineers and doctor are humans, whereas the aliens Shep picks up all happen to be useful enough in combat to be worth bringing on combat missions.

Right, I understand that. But I'm speaking of lore here.

agree lorewise she isnt really top tier but she still got the above average training from the flotilla thanks to her father.
To be on topic I would prefer if he doesnt replaces a krogan character but I wouldnt be that upset if he does as long as bioware develops him properly and makes him useful in combat.

[capn233]

I agree lorewise she shouldn't have been as good as a trained soldier like Garrus, Ashley, Kaidan or even Wrex.

Interestingly enough, Liara had even less training than Tali. She apparently defended dig-sites from raiders every now and then, but considering how powerful she could be on your squad it is even more of a stretch than Tali.

Really any squad mate that had Electronics skill could become tank-ish because they could get eleventy billion shield points.

I used Garrus and Liara the most, with Tali a close third. This of course doesn't include the three runs I made to get all the ally achievements.

[Sobe2988]

**** Wrex, Wrev and Grunt. I want KARGESH the presidium fish Krogan on my team in ME3.

[Sajuro]

Sobe2988 wrote...

**** Wrex, Wrev and Grunt. I want KARGESH the presidium fish Krogan on my team in ME3.

Then I hope you lied him because if you told him the truth then he'll go crazy and blow up the citadel.

[Stardusk78]

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

[Stardusk78]

Hmm

[JeffZero]

Stardusk78 wrote...

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

Which is why I pointed out that the cutscenes won't remark upon Vega as superior to krogan in such regard while the gameplay will do what the gameplay will do -- utilize Vega as a krogan stand-in if necessary.

[Hathur]

JeffZero wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

Which is why I pointed out that the cutscenes won't remark upon Vega as superior to krogan in such regard while the gameplay will do what the gameplay will do -- utilize Vega as a krogan stand-in if necessary.

Vega will undoubtedly have an in game power to make him on par with Grunt or Wrex as a damage soaker. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere this was one of his powers:

Roid Rage
Vega
Duration: 12 seconds

When activated, Vega enters a homicidal, uncontrolled blubbering rage of madness. During this time his health regeneration is greatly improved and continues to regenerate health even while under direct fire. This power can be evolved into 'Roid Smash', which also allows Vega to deliver exceptionally powerful melee attacks that hurl enemies back several meters or it can be evolved into "Roid Dash", which allows Vega to sprint at greater speeds and knock down any opponent he runs into.

....... what?.... it.... it could happen. 

No?........

Quick, Kitty! Go for the eyes!



<runs away>

Modifié par Hathur, 20 octobre 2011 - 05:51 .

[JeffZero]

That's got to be the most ridicul --

-- ow!

[Dean_the_Young]

Rojahar wrote...

It was especially silly when working for Cerberus, and kind of funny that we didn't get any "alien hating" Cerberus agent, especially since Cerberus is kind of known for it.

Actually, it isn't. Not on any major scale: while it's open knowledge that anti-alien persons gravitate to Terra Firma and some to Cerberus, Cerberus itself was never established as primarily of anti-alien persons. The " most 'real' Cerberus agents hate aliens' was always a fan projection.

Not that it was any less silly that most of Shep's squad when working for the Alliance was alien too. You'd think there'd be more competent humans on the crew worth taking with you. Weird that the only aliens Shep takes with him on the crew are also top tier combatants. Would be interesting to have an alien useful enough to join the crew who isn't a combatant, BTW.

I agree.

Really, there was nothing inherent in the team from ME2 that couldn't have been provided easier, or better, by some well-trained Alliance soldiers who not only have similar skill sets and/or expertise, but also have teamwork and cooperation skills as well.

[Chewin]

Stardusk78 wrote...

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

It's good that Vega isn't an average human then.

[Sebbe1337o]

Wrex >>>>>>> Grunt IMO.
I want wrex back.

[Stardusk78]

Chewin3 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

It's good that Vega isn't an average human then.

It's too sad.

[Dean_the_Young]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No human other than Jack has strong enough biotics to keep the biotic field going properly on the SM.

Hm? The teammember who does die does so from not obeying orders promptly. If Miranda and Jacob can get a team through, other human biotics can. And if they were trained to obey orders promptly, the others wouldn't stand behind either.

Not, mind you, that 'perfect survival' is any sort of requirement. Every human biotic in the game has the strength to keep the biotic field going long enough for mission success.

Not to mention the seeker swarm protection, the shielding boost, and the thanix cannon, all provided by aliens.

And Cerberus/the Alliance can't get the technology from other sources, or from aliens not on our team?

Not, mind you, that you need the ship upgrades to complete the mission either.

Plus, the most important factor in why we had so many alien species on the team; an entire squad of human soldiers would have been incredibly boring. Imagine 12 Jacobs on the Normandy.

A good war is mostly boring. Drama in the ranks is bad.

Though that you feel any human character must be boring, when the underlying theme of the Mass Effect series is that just about every alien is very much 'human' in nature...

[Guanxi]

Vega is the tank in ME3. It's sad but true.

Modifié par Guanxi, 20 octobre 2011 - 09:59 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Without Mordin's seeker swarm, you would have died on Horizon.

Since when is Mordin the only person in the galaxy able to counteract the seeker swarms?

And if Cerberus could have gotten those ship upgrades themselve, they would have done so.

*Citation needed

Cerberus didn't buy you tech upgrades on the open market either. They already told you why: they're poor (at the moment).

A good war may be boring, but a good video game is not. And human characters are not in and of themselves boring, but having only humans would take away variety. I would not want an only-asari or an only-turian squad either.

So now we're going with 'rule of crazy' rather than 'sensibility.' You're backtracking now.

Yes, I recognize your '12 Jacobs' was a strawman. It doesn't actually challenge the argument however.

[Guanxi]

It is unlikely but Grunt might become the main vanguard yet in ME3 because although biotic potential only develops in the most legendary of Krogan (who are believed to have the best calibre of genes); this is related to the strength of their respective bloodline(s) and grunt's must be off the charts. While it is true that normally biotic potential in Krogan would take centuaries to manifest but as Grunt was created in a laboratory with collector technology and is genetically perfect this process might be dramatically accelerated which would present a fantastic story-telling opportunity for Grunt's character development.

In theory he could be the most powerful biotic krogan ever which would make him potentially the best vanguard in the series. I'll explain why...

Although many would say that because Wrex was a vangaurd they wouldn't make Grunt one because he would look like a total Wrex copycat; more so than ever - this is kinda baseless. Firstly, he would obviously have his own unique set of vangaurd powers. Secondly Wrex is a battlemaster and all krogan battlemasters have biotics because biotic potential only manifests in the greatest Krogan who ever lived... and only those get to wear that title ... Grunts ancestors were all legendary which would make most of them Battlemasters.

If you put two and two together... you have the offspring of some of the greatest krogan battlemasters of all time forged with collector technology - his biotic potential must be off the scale.

Modifié par Guanxi, 20 octobre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Volus Warlord]

Yes, only instead of being blunt and experienced or very young and bloodthirsty, he's screwed up in the head and gay.

[Darth Death]

That's somewhat disappointing. I want a krogan on my team.

[FeralEwok]

With my playstyle for both ME games I haven't felt the need for a tank character really. With the exception of a few characters, as long as you direct them they don't seem very squishy.

Even characters with higher health, shields, armor, and weapons are really nothing compared to the damage dealing and damage taking abilities of Shepard. Just my experience really.

If it were an mmorpg though I'd think calling a Krogan a tank or Vega a tank would be appropriate.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Chewin3 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

A human can never be as good a tank as a Krogan, Krogan physiology is the reason for this.

It's good that Vega isn't an average human then.

Does he have two brains and two hearts too?

[rikimeru420]

play shepard as a soldier and squadmates are completely unnecessary!!!!