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I wouldda given her some eye makeup and other eyebrows.

She's dangerously close to Serendipity.

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What do you prefer ? The new ( bottom, which seems more like felicia day ) or former version ( top, a true elf ) ?

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People can't seriously have forgetten Lia.


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She's snuggle material.


And she's a guard, which makes her able to protect herself (or you if you're wuss).

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Sylvianus wrote...

What do you prefer ? The new ( bottom, which seems more like felicia day ) or former version ( top, a true elf ) ?

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Haha, a Merrill mod vs. Her Official face, why compare them?

I will always prefer a "real" elf to her, she shouldn't even had modeled a in-game character to begin with.

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Lia's great.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What do you prefer ? The new ( bottom, which seems more like felicia day ) or former version ( top, a true elf ) ?

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Haha, a Merrill mod vs. Her Official face, why compare them?

I will always prefer a "real" elf to her, she shouldn't even had modeled a in-game character to begin with.


That's not a mod :), someone reached into the dlc ( moa ) and found several interesting files. As in legacy with the discovery of the shrieks, there are  several things that have disappeared or have not been put on the final product.

And it is already known that Felicia had requested that Tallis looks like a real elf, but Bioware chose to make a new version that looks more like her face.

Here, some former faces of the duke Prosper.

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Sorry but that's not Merrill. I don't know what that...thing is but it's not Merrill.

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^ That's why i laughed too :D

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? Who said it was Merril ? Tallis, I was talking about tallis.

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Sylvianus wrote...

? Who said it was Merril ? Tallis, I was talking about tallis.

That face is on Merrills body. Thus I see you comparing a horrible modded Merrill face to Tallis.

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Mr.House wrote...

Sorry but that's not Merrill. I don't know what that...thing is but it's not Merrill.

That isn't Merrill, but supposedly an alternative version of Tallis' face, one made as morph and as such more elf-like, as opposed to fully custom shape she got in the end.

And if you refer to it as "that... thing" then i guess it tells something how attractive people really find the 'true' DA2 elves compared to scanned humans Posted Image

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Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

? Who said it was Merril ? Tallis, I was talking about tallis.

That face is on Merrills body. Thus I see you comparing a horrible modded Merrill face to Tallis.

 There are thousands of ways to experience a face during a development..... Thanks tpm for the explanation, I don't need to do that myself.
And  I never talked about Merrill. :huh:

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 octobre 2011 - 09:36 .


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tmp7704 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sorry but that's not Merrill. I don't know what that...thing is but it's not Merrill.

That isn't Merrill, but supposedly an alternative version of Tallis' face, one made as morph and as such more elf-like, as opposed to fully custom shape she got in the end.

And if you refer to it as "that... thing" then i guess it tells something how attractive people really find the 'true' DA2 elves compared to scanned humans Posted Image

Then I guess I rather have Day elf face over "true" elfs for Tallis ;)

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That morph is interesting btw. Side by side there's enough similarity i think, but definitely shows more "elf" traits there.

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The "true elf" face looks very video gamey, whereas Tallis's face looks more real - unsurprisingly, since it's based on a real person.

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tmp7704 wrote...

That morph is interesting btw. Side by side there's enough similarity i think, but definitely shows more "elf" traits there.

I totally agree.

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And that's why it's wrong, they made the Elves faces and physique unique, no need to recycle the face of a fail project.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

And that's why it's wrong, they made the Elves faces and physique unique, no need to recycle the face of a fail project.

Absolutely. That's why I said " true " elf, which follows the spirits of the creators who wanted a race more " distinctive. "

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I'm glad you agree, i think alot of fans are having fangasms too quickly.

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When I went back and played it again today I realised you were right - it's not just the eyes, it is the whole face. Tallis would have fitted in okay with the old style elves because they were essentially human looking with pointed ears. Intially I didn't like the new style but I think that was only because it came as a bit of a shock, plus as I say above, the necks do sometimes bend in strange sort of way. However, having got used to them that way, it then looks odd to see an elf that doesn't conform - a sort of hybrid cross. I suppose you could explain it by saying Tallis is only half elf, except that the lore states they then look human, not human with large pointed ears and long neck. But looking at the picture of Felicia Day and at the still from the web series, it is obvious that they didn't want to lose the "look". I can only assume that Felicia wanted to play an elf rather than a human Qun convert and the designers went along with this rather than insist of consistency in the game world. I shall just have to accept that she is a freak of nature - probably why Hawke thought they spotted her in the market place - not a good trait for a spy. You can just imagine Orlesian nobles saying that elves all look alike to them and then doing a double take as Tallis goes by.

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that top elf is nice looking, but I prefer having Tallis look like Felicia Day. Which doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the other elven face. There isn't. I've just grown attached to Tallis looking like Felicia Day with an incredibly Elven-ized face. And no, this does not mean in any way, shape, or form that I want elves to look more "human-like".

now that top face could appear later on as some other elf and I'd be happy =D

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I think a lot of the "elvish" look to DA2 elves is actually just the consequence of a limited facegen system, and perhaps lazy design, than a deliberate set of elvish traits.

Tallis has the elvish eyes, nose and ears, just as much as Merrill does.

I don't think that all humans in the DA world necessarily have fat or doughy faces, despite them being so ubiquitous in DA2.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There isn't. I've just grown attached to Tallis looking like Felicia Day with an incredibly Elven-ized face.

I think that alternative and quite more elf-like version demonstrates beyond doubt that no, the version the game ultimately uses is by no means "incredibly elvenized". Unless of course you mean "incredibly" in the sense "i dig it", not the "a lot" sense...

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Wulfram wrote...

I think a lot of the "elvish" look to DA2 elves is actually just the consequence of a limited facegen system, and perhaps lazy design, than a deliberate set of elvish traits.

So you think, they would spend time and resources to go out of their way to create "new distinct look" for the DA2 elves with deliberate set of traits... and then would not use it, if only the technology allowed for that or if they could be bothered? Wouldn't that be completely counter-productive?

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tmp7704 wrote...

So you think, they would spend time and resources to go out of their way to create "new distinct look" for the DA2 elves with deliberate set of traits... and then would not use it, if only the technology allowed for that or if they could be bothered? Wouldn't that be completely counter-productive?


I think the eyes, ears, noses, and the alarmingly skinny bodies, all of which Tallis possesses at least as much as Merrill, were a deliberate attempt to make a new distinct look.  Though even there, theres probably more room for variation than is shown - presumably there are elves who are bigger than average, different types of elvish ear and what have you

But other similarities between elvish faces would seem to me to be more because of them being based on a limited number of pregens and then minimally tweaked than a deliberate policy.

Modifié par Wulfram, 19 octobre 2011 - 10:44 .