56 réponses à ce sujet

[The Angry One]

So I'm making another playthrough as someone who ruthlessly achieves her goals without caring about those she stomps on the way, not evil but not particularily nice either.

I decide that slaughtering the werewolves and helping Zathrian would be the logical route this time, as opposed to the happy happy ending or siding with those rabid dogs.
But damn is siding with Zathrian such an unsatisfying feeling. The guy is so unlikable, even the option to kill him afterwards doesn't satisfy me.
Maybe it's because I had Shale along who constantly talked about how Zathrian's a jerk and should go squish. She has quite a bit of dialog for the whole Dalish section, surprisingly. I'd have thought if there was one character who wouldn't be very much involved in this it'd be Shale.

tl:dr
Zathrian sucks and I hate him.

[ReubenLiew]

Then you're not roleplaying hard enough! Like him, like him damn you, feel your inner jerk come to the fore and LOVE HIM!

[II Relics II]

Or you could slaughter him and the elves....

[Palesblade]

I chose to help the werewolves, and yes my female warrior is playing as a mean b***h. However I was able to see through Zathrian's lies and told him he better fix it, or else I was gonna fix him. In the end he did the right thing.

Modifié par Palesblade, 22 novembre 2009 - 04:47 .

[kansadoom]

The thing is you can understand why he did it, you jsut have to build up your hatred towards the peple that mudered his family and that they got what they deserved

[-XM-]

I like Zathrian actually. You can never trust humans/colonists, and as soon as you let them they'll revert to their exploiting/raping/torturing ways. Also, he is more useful to his people as a sign (mistaken or not) that they can recover their old ways and free themselves from colonisation. That he actually lives longer only due to the curse is irrelevant as long as no one finds out.



Zathrian is great and giving those werewolves death instead of letting them be cursed forever was being nice to them.

[Skydiver8888]

i had the same dilemma in my most recent "evil" mage playthrough.. i was wondering about helping the werewolves (thus losing out on my infinite elfroot supply, for one)...then i went to the dalish camp and did some...err...questionable...things with cammen and gheyna. After that they were all jerks to me and the trader hated me and stopped trading with me anyway.



So I gladly led the werewolves to slaughter those ungrateful bastards

[Obliterati]

To me, Swiftrunner was such an irritating, abrasive character that I never had any problems helping Zathrian wipe out the whole fleabag family.



Just pretend Zathrian is Tuvok, and he's asking you to do the logical, dispasionate, correct thing.

[Giygas Starman]

God damn hell! Let me spell it out for you: W-E-R-E-W-O-L-F A-R-M-Y! What kind of non-ruthless bastard are you? Having hungering beasts on your side when the poo-poo hits the fan couldn't be any more awesome ruthless!

PS. Yes, Zathrian and his fellow tree-humpers suck!

Modifié par Giygas Starman, 22 novembre 2009 - 05:34 .

[The Angry One]

There's a difference between ruthless and just plain EVIL.

Besides, Swiftrunner annoys the hell out of me. If there's a way to kill Swiftrunner and get the werewolves I'd love to hear it.

[Emerald Melios]

The one thing that bothers me is that if you remove the curse, Lanaya doesn't bother showing up in the finale like Zathrian and Swiftrunner/Lady of the Forest.

[BHRamsay]

Funny how listening to someone's self-righteousness and entitlement preached at you for a while makes you want to see them dead...
You almost wonder what the outcome might have been had the Chantry learned of what Zathrian has been up to ...
I'm thinking Exalted March and a fresh program of suppression against the Elves.

Modifié par BHRamsay, 22 mai 2010 - 02:45 .

[Costin_Razvan]

"Hrr. I like this plan."
"So do I, I am truly impressed."

Those two lines there are all there reason to slaughter the Dalish, add Shales own.

"Just imagining his small elf head, squishing...ah there we go."

OP: Remember...siding with Zathrian means Camen get's to live.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[Arthur Cousland]

BHRamsay wrote...

Funny how listening to someone's self-righteousness and entitlement preached at you for a while makes you want to see them dead...
You almost wonder what the outcome might have been had the Chantry learned of what Zathrian has been up to ...
I'm thinking Exalted March and a fresh program of suppression against the Elves.

Yes, and many people hate Wynne for the same reasons.  Too bad you can't kill...oh wait, you can.

[Emerald Melios]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

Funny how listening to someone's self-righteousness and entitlement preached at you for a while makes you want to see them dead...
You almost wonder what the outcome might have been had the Chantry learned of what Zathrian has been up to ...
I'm thinking Exalted March and a fresh program of suppression against the Elves.

Yes, and many people hate Wynne for the same reasons.  Too bad you can't kill...oh wait, you can.

Indeed, we entered the Circle Tower over her dead body.

[Costin_Razvan]

Yes, and many people hate Wynne for the same reasons.

No offence, but you misunderstand why people hate Wynne.

Uldred was like: Let's join Loghain and then we can have freedom, while Wynne was like: Loghain is an evil man and must be killed! Oh and we must remain slaves to the Chantry!

We all know how well that turned out. She is as responsible for the events in the Circle Tower, even more then Uldred is. She would rather bow down to the Chantry, even going so far as to wish the Warden fails in defeating the Blight should you desecrate Andraste's remains.

If she wasn't the BEST healer in the game, I would chop her head of on every playthrough.

Zathrian is on one level, Wynne is on a completely different one.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 03:15 .

[BHRamsay]

Wynne can a nag but when you realize that Zathrian deliberately perverted nature itself for his revenge, then covered it up for several hundred years costing Maker Knows how many people their lives, you starting thinking ...maybe a little oversight when it comes to magic isn't such a bad thing.

[Arthur Cousland]

Wynne gets on my nerves for her constant preaching and lecturing. I guess she has many reasons for people wanting her dead.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't really understand why people hate Zathrian so much. Sure, he is consummed by revenge (not unlike another companion I could name) that clouds his judgement. But he is not dislikable. Ending the curse is my preferred outcome and my preferred ending for Zathrian.

[Costin_Razvan]

Zathrian deliberately perverted nature itself for his revenge, then covered it up for several hundred years costing Maker Knows how many people their lives, you starting thinking

The difference is that Zathrian CAN understand he was bloody wrong, unlike Wynne.

Ending the curse is my preferred outcome and my preferred ending for Zathrian.

Same for me, at least in regards to just Zathrian.



Camen however.....

[BHRamsay]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't really understand why people hate Zathrian so much. Sure, he is consummed by revenge (not unlike another companion I could name) that clouds his judgement. But he is not dislikable. Ending the curse is my preferred outcome and my preferred ending for Zathrian.

ending the curse is better for everyone ... OK almost everyone. My only point is that Zathrian and to a greater degree Caladrius, are proof that magic needs some kind of check and balance, if only so that those mages who are capable of controlling themselves arent forever tainted by the actions of a dangerous minority.

[BHRamsay]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't really understand why people hate Zathrian so much. Sure, he is consummed by revenge (not unlike another companion I could name) that clouds his judgement. But he is not dislikable. Ending the curse is my preferred outcome and my preferred ending for Zathrian.

ending the curse is better for everyone ... OK almost everyone. My only point is that Zathrian and to a greater degree Caladrius, are proof that magic needs some kind of check and balance, if only so that those mages who are capable of controlling themselves arent forever tainted by the actions of a dangerous minority.

[Costin_Razvan]

ending the curse is better for everyone ... OK almost everyone. My only point is that Zathrian and to a greater degree Caladrius, are proof that magic needs some kind of check and balance, if only so that those mages who are capable of controlling themselves arent forever tainted by the actions of a dangerous minority.

I wasn't saying go around and give mages the right to practice Blood Magic, but more like the Tevinter System where mages have freedom as long as they don't turn towards the forbidden arts.

[Herr Uhl]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Zathrian deliberately perverted nature itself for his revenge, then covered it up for several hundred years costing Maker Knows how many people their lives, you starting thinking

The difference is that Zathrian CAN understand he was bloody wrong, unlike Wynne.

I don't remember the part where Wynne bound a spirit to a creature in order to make a curse that would turn people into abominations. Strange that.

He still hates humans at the end.

[KnightofPhoenix]

BHRamsay wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't really understand why people hate Zathrian so much. Sure, he is consummed by revenge (not unlike another companion I could name) that clouds his judgement. But he is not dislikable. Ending the curse is my preferred outcome and my preferred ending for Zathrian.

ending the curse is better for everyone ... OK almost everyone. My only point is that Zathrian and to a greater degree Caladrius, are proof that magic needs some kind of check and balance, if only so that those mages who are capable of controlling themselves arent forever tainted by the actions of a dangerous minority.

Understand the implications. The Circle is effectively a human Chantry organisation. "Asking" (more like forcing) the Dalish to abide by it, means practicially destroying them and their culture (they are led by mages / keepers).
 
Depending on perspective, that can be either a good thing or a bad thing. I might not be a fan of the elves, but I respect the Dalish for standing up to themselves. If they become an annoyance however, I might agree with the plan.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 mai 2010 - 05:11 .