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[Teddie Sage]

Sarcastic Hawke alone makes DA2 a great game to play for the humor elements.

[tonnactus]

Nothing beats the banter Morrigan and Sten had.

[Zjarcal]

jlb524 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Even discounting personal taste, DA2 is more forced because every single potential line Hawke says the entire game has a humorous/sarcastic option.  That's hundreds of intentional "forced" jokes just from Hawke alone.

That's not even true because some of the middle dialog options are 'Charming' (the purple diamond).

Also, if it's an option how can it be forced?

Trying to wrap my head around that one too.

[Mr.House]

Zjarcal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Even discounting personal taste, DA2 is more forced because every single potential line Hawke says the entire game has a humorous/sarcastic option.  That's hundreds of intentional "forced" jokes just from Hawke alone.

That's not even true because some of the middle dialog options are 'Charming' (the purple diamond).

Also, if it's an option how can it be forced?

Trying to wrap my head around that one too.

Silly Z, it's because it's DA2 and not DAO

[DarkDragon777]

Origins

[bleetman]

Modifié par bleetman, 22 octobre 2011 - 10:44 .

[congealeddgtllvr]

Zjarcal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Even discounting personal taste, DA2 is more forced because every single potential line Hawke says the entire game has a humorous/sarcastic option.  That's hundreds of intentional "forced" jokes just from Hawke alone.

That's not even true because some of the middle dialog options are 'Charming' (the purple diamond).

Also, if it's an option how can it be forced?

Trying to wrap my head around that one too.

When one refers to humor as being "forced" one does not mean that the humor is being "forced" on the audience.  Otherwise you would logically apply the term to humor in every book, movie, play, tv show or standup performance since the audience must experience the humor to experience the work.  

When talking about humor the adjective "forced" refers to the writer/comedian "forcing" themselves to come up with a joke rather than coming about it naturally, and it being noticeable to the audience.  For example, if I were part of a conversation which was becoming heated and filled with tension I might "force" myself to come up with a lame joke to diffuse the situation.  It would be noticeable because all I was doing was trying to change the subject.  

And I agree that Sarcastic Hawke feels that way, though of course it's all subjective.  Were there some lines I lol'd at?  Sure but there were many more that I thought were lame or stupid.  And if I needed to write it so that the PC said something amusing for almost every line of dialogue in the entire game I'd have to force myself to come up with a few lines, too.  

Personally I wouldn't mind if the writers just forgot the goofy option and focused on actually writing a decent story next time maybe.  Or perhaps a protagonist who can accomplish. . . well, anything besides buying a house and telling lame one liners.  

[jlb524]

I just interpreted the comment differently, I think.

That because Hawke can crack a joke in every line, the humor is forced. I'm saying Hawke doesn't have to do that.

[Zjarcal]

I still can't say I agree there because not all of the purple lines were necessarily jokes that were meant to get laughs. Now if one felt that the lines were lame, that is obviously a different topic and entirely subjective.

[TEWR]

DAII.

[Zkyire]

girlgamersrock777 wrote...

I always had a hard time thinking which one was funnier. Most of the banters in both games were priceless, such as the ones with Varric and Oghren. I wonder what would happen if they got together...

DA2 was far funnier for me.

[eroeru]

Akka le Vil wrote...

eroeru wrote...

Oghren wasn't subtle in character, but the way his extreme nature was applied to the game was totally believable. An out-of-this world character who is a real character and not at all unnatural (I would even say he had some irony of decadence to him).

So, yes, Oghren was totally part of the subtlety in DA's humoric writing for me.

Hu, yes, Oghren was "believable". Puerilistic scat humour is realistic.
It's still crass, not funny and certainly not subtle.

Again, the character sin't subtle, yes, but the way it was played out was (imo).
For one thing, the humorics seem to be there because his character requires it, not just to make some fourth-wall jokes to amuse the players; it has a little different kind of meaning (I'll try to explain below).

By the enjoyment in irony I meant the humour in the context - I thought it was funny whilst laughing more at the character rather then with him. Though I wouldn't act as Oghren myself, it's hilarious if this sort of character exists, viewed from a third perspective, and in a fantasy, make-belief setting. It felt amusingly, well, meta humour, if you will. + he seemed to have quite a colorful and not at all one-dimensional psychology behind it (sort of... "real"), which is a thing that's hard to imagine for most DA2's characters.

I laughed at the possibility of his psychology, really. (I won't start to explain it here, let's just say he wasn't an ordinary kind-hearted, puerilistic, scat-humor type of drunkard you'd come to imagine).

Though it's largely a matter of taste, I would claim Oghren was not derailing the subtlety of the setting (and overall), and in many ways he contributed to make for a much more extraordinary experience. The way it was played out was if not subtly done, then well... simply "well" done.

I myself had more problems with Zevran and didn't find him funny in the least, certainly not subtle. But the way he was presented made the humor "with" him subtle enough to be more pleasant then annoying. It was a different kind of presentation than DA2, I'd use the term "more subtle".

[Mr.House]

Oggy was as subtle as a nail to the skull.

[Joy Divison]

Zjarcal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Even discounting personal taste, DA2 is more forced because every single potential line Hawke says the entire game has a humorous/sarcastic option.  That's hundreds of intentional "forced" jokes just from Hawke alone.

That's not even true because some of the middle dialog options are 'Charming' (the purple diamond).

Also, if it's an option how can it be forced?

Trying to wrap my head around that one too.

The reason I put "forced" in quotes is because the humor is not literally forced upon you and am using it metaphorically.  There is a difference when humor is subtle or arises naturally from the flow of a conversation/ something which occured and when someone says something obviously meant to be funny which doesn't quite fit the situation.

This doesn't mean it is not or cannot be funny.  There wouldn't be any stand-up comedians if it coudln't work.

There may be folks who thought the sarcastic/humorous dialogue option when you tell various NPCs about the death of their loved ones or interested parties was funny and that's cool.  Humor is subjective.  Different strokes for different folks.  But to me is jarring, lame, "forced," and not funny.
 
While DA:2 did make me laugh more than DA:O, it had a lot moments like the one above.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:49 .

[csfteeeer]

Joy Divison wrote...

DA2 did have more humor but also far more attempts at humor which didn't make me laugh/smile.

Humor is a lot like swearing; when you try too hard at it and it is overdone, it is very noticeable.

This... Kinda.

DA2 started very funny at the beginning, me just laughing through a chunk of Act 1.
i was like "Dude!You're Killing Me!"

but by the end of act 2, i was like "Dude, stop it with your jokes. You're lame now".

Maybe it wouldn't have happened if Hawke's "Witty" Lines weren't so ****ing painful most of the time.

[In Exile]

congealeddgtllvr wrote...
And I agree that Sarcastic Hawke feels that way, though of course it's all subjective.  Were there some lines I lol'd at?  Sure but there were many more that I thought were lame or stupid.  And if I needed to write it so that the PC said something amusing for almost every line of dialogue in the entire game I'd have to force myself to come up with a few lines, too.  

Personally I wouldn't mind if the writers just forgot the goofy option and focused on actually writing a decent story next time maybe.  Or perhaps a protagonist who can accomplish. . . well, anything besides buying a house and telling lame one liners.  

I thought the joke sometimes was that Hawke wasn't funny. 

[congealeddgtllvr]

In Exile wrote...

congealeddgtllvr wrote...
And I agree that Sarcastic Hawke feels that way, though of course it's all subjective.  Were there some lines I lol'd at?  Sure but there were many more that I thought were lame or stupid.  And if I needed to write it so that the PC said something amusing for almost every line of dialogue in the entire game I'd have to force myself to come up with a few lines, too.  

Personally I wouldn't mind if the writers just forgot the goofy option and focused on actually writing a decent story next time maybe.  Or perhaps a protagonist who can accomplish. . . well, anything besides buying a house and telling lame one liners.  

I thought the joke sometimes was that Hawke wasn't funny. 

No the real joke was that the writers thought they were being funny.  And even if you want to make that excuse, I mean interpret the humor that way, my point remains that they are spending their time thinking of "funny because it's so lame" jokes for their badass epic hero.  Whether or not you feel like that's a good investment is going to come down to personal taste.  

[Akka le Vil]

eroeru wrote...

Again, the character [...] simply "well" done.

I understand what you may mean, but on this one I'm simply of the opinion you're looking far too hard into it and seeing lots of things that were simply not here.

[FrobergDK]

The humour is why, regardless of my own PC's class, I always have Varric and Isa in my party.

[Marionetten]

Dragon Age II had Varric but unfortunately Dragon Age II also had Isabela.

Going to have to give it to Dragon Age: Origins.

[element eater]

too many sex jokes spoil the broth(el)

so dao wins it has a better balance of humour imo

[Addai]

illunder wrote...

DA:O had Shale and therefore wins by default.

Leliana: "You aren't all stone, Shale. There is a person inside of you."
Shale: "If so, it is because I ate him."

I love that golem.

TRUTH

I do think the hardest I ever laughed in either game was the banter with Carver about his mabari tattoo, with Fenris and Varric in the party.