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[1136342t54_]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

GodWood wrote...

bobdooly wrote...
I was refering to if you go talk to her on the ship, you can embrace eternity and you get your eggs scrambled.

That's the renegade option. Clearly paragon Shepard's too smart for that

Renegade could also resist Morinth in the initial seduction. A lot of choices are neutral because there are only 6 spots and the other choices had to go somewhere. And renegade is presented as the more risky personality in ME2, such as saving the heretics. Having sex with a sex vampire is pretty risky.

Renegade didn't save the heretics... Also, keeping genophage cure is a clearly risky choice, and renegades also don't do that. Same for the rachni queen. Paragons are the risky ones.

Actually killng the Heretics in one area weakens the Geth and could possibly make them more unlikely to help Shepard very risky. Also there is a very neutral option in which you can just keep the Genophage cure. It is neither Paragon or renegade.

[bobdooly]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

GodWood wrote...

bobdooly wrote...
I was refering to if you go talk to her on the ship, you can embrace eternity and you get your eggs scrambled.

That's the renegade option. Clearly paragon Shepard's too smart for that

Renegade could also resist Morinth in the initial seduction. A lot of choices are neutral because there are only 6 spots and the other choices had to go somewhere. And renegade is presented as the more risky personality in ME2, such as saving the heretics. Having sex with a sex vampire is pretty risky.

Renegade didn't save the heretics... Also, keeping genophage cure is a clearly risky choice, and renegades also don't do that. Same for the rachni queen. Paragons are the risky ones.

Then that only proves my point that Paragon could completely screw themselves over based on their decisions and thus not Sue.

[slimgrin]

How about Shep's decision regarding the Rachni race? Is that clearcut and does Shep come out smelling like roses either way?

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 octobre 2011 - 01:34 .

[bobdooly]

Saphra Deden wrote...

...but that hasn't happened yet.

What hasn't?

[slimgrin]

Saphra Deden wrote...

...but that hasn't happened yet.

You should quote in a fast moving thread.

[1136342t54_]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No there is not. You have two different dialogue options to keep the cure, that is true, but both are paragon and both are worth a significant amount of paragon points.

At 6:40 there is a option to simply hold onto the cure. When I pick that option Shep basically says its better "To have it and need it than to not have it and need it."

[bobdooly]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

*snippity snip*

I wasn't commenting on the Sue thing at all; just saying that your "Renegades are the risky ones" statement was false. I frankly don't care about who is a Mary Sue or not.

Then I'm just remembering wrong. Haven't played ME2 for several months.

[1136342t54_]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No there is not. You have two different dialogue options to keep the cure, that is true, but both are paragon and both are worth a significant amount of paragon points.

At 6:40 there is a option to simply hold onto the cure. When I pick that option Shep basically says its better "To have it and need it than to not have it and need it."

It is on the paragon section of the wheel. And you get paragon points for choosing it. And it is the exact same choice as the other paragon dialogue option, only the words coming out of Shepard's mouth are different. It is not neutral.

Sadly I never got paragon points by choosing it that way. It is a reason why I pick that sometimes when I'm playing a paragade playthrough.

[dreman9999]

Saphra Deden wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

...but that hasn't happened yet.

What hasn't?

The thing you said.

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 22 octobre 2011 - 03:54 .

[Han Shot First]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Eh, the definition all-too-often skews toward, 'Someone I don't like who bad things should happen to.'

This.

Mary Sue is a label applied on video game message boards to any 'good' character that the poster doesn't like, and that he or she wants some misfortune to befall. Mary Sue is also a label often applied out of jealousy to characters the poster thinks are favored more by the wrtiers than his or her favorite character. Too bad neither makes a character a Mary Sue.

It is quite possibly one of the most misused labels on gaming forums, since 99% of the time characters accused of being Mary Sues on gaming forums don't actually fit the definition for one.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 octobre 2011 - 04:51 .

[Xilizhra]

None of them are.

[SandTrout]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

But if you have to pick one with the highest Sue-ness, I'd say it's Garrus.

Him and David Anderson are probably the closest things to Gary Stus in ME. Maybe Wrex?

Modifié par SandTrout, 22 octobre 2011 - 05:04 .

[Gabey5]

Shepard can be played that way sure. But my main Shepard has lost 4 crew members, lost his love interest ash on virmire, and had serious facial scars from me1 from akuze.

But most people have their main Shepard as a perfect play-through , same as the tc i think

Modifié par Gabey5, 22 octobre 2011 - 06:00 .

[slimgrin]

SandTrout wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

But if you have to pick one with the highest Sue-ness, I'd say it's Garrus.

Him and David Anderson are probably the closest things to Gary Stus in ME. Maybe Wrex?

Lol, or maybe....anyone you happen to pick?

This is pointless. 

I just hope when I write, I don't make the the cardinal sin of creating a larry flu...or a nary boo...or a hairy clue...or 

Gads, I'm doomed. THEY ALL RHYME!!

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 octobre 2011 - 06:23 .

[Air36723]

As a role playing game i dont think the PC qualifies as a mary sue in the fact that they arent making the choices...you are. so if you play a perfect paragon (no renegade at all) then your shepard is not a mary sue...you are.

[Marionetten]

bobdooly wrote...

Renegade could also resist Morinth in the initial seduction. A lot of choices are neutral because there are only 6 spots and the other choices had to go somewhere. And renegade is presented as the more risky personality in ME2, such as saving the heretics. Having sex with a sex vampire is pretty risky.

That's the problem. Renegade isn't supposed to be risky. It's supposed to be preemptive which is why half of the Renegade choices involves killing someone or something without due process. Unfortunately Renegade ends up being risky in addition to morally questionable since nothing backfires on Paragon Shepard. This is a flaw in the overall design created by excessive fanservice. A textbook example of Mary Sueism which I sincerely hope Mass Effect 3 will stomp out.

[sorentoft]

Legion is a robot-sue one one one one one.

[Labrev]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Irrelevant. All RPG protagonists are by definition Mary Sues.

As for the NPCs, all the major ones are complex and realistic enough to not score as a Sue. But if you have to pick one with the highest Sue-ness, I'd say it's Garrus.

Garrus is farrrrrrr from a Mary Sue. He's got some hardcore issues in his character: he's undisciplined and let's emotions affect him very easily, he can be overly ruthless, he's a bit of a whiner, nothing really even goes right for him by his own admission.