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[Gervaise]

I was wondering what you think to the idea that at least some of the rogue Templars might be seduced into the service of the Qunari.   I am not thinking of Templars like Keran, who have a family life and strong moral sensibilities but more the extremely pious types, who seem to have their own idea of what serving the maker means, which has very little to do with the Chant of Light.  If they have left the control of the Chantry they are now without any sort of spiritual anchor apart from the fact that they think it their religious duty to hunt down mages.  So a clever, manipulative Qunari spy could play on their prejudices and persuade them that "their role would change little under the Qun", they could still hunt down mages and either bring them under "control" or kill them and the Qunari dwarven converts could no doubt supply them with the necessary lyrium.   I presume they would not even have to explicitly deny the Maker since the Qunari do not acknowledge any "gods" and they would have always been taught by the Chantry that he had abandoned his errant children anyway.  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Templars primary attribute is a fervent belief in the Maker. That seems incompatible with the Qun. They'd also have to submit to a foreign authority, a heretical one at that. I don't see it happening.

[Lazy Jer]

I suppose it could happen, but it would have to be the right circumstance. The Chantry sort of brands the Qunari as heathens so, like you side, the hard-liners wouldn't do it, but if a templar (a) had a crisis of faith, ( dealt with the Qunari in some way that didn't involve the words "Die heretic!" and the drawing of swords, then yeah it could happen.

[blothulfur]

This is eminently feasible. It is obvious in their fervent longing for a non existent god that their souls seek the enlightenment that only the Qun offers. Their faith in this maker will be allowed but discouraged as all faiths are under the Qun, and hopefully one day they shall find the strength to walk upright basking in the enlightenment of truth and what must be without the crutch of religion.

This evil addiction to lyrium that has been foisted upon them will of course be cured first, for that is both a weakness and another dreadful tool of slavery that the bas are so keen to spread to all peoples of the world. And they will be content when they see the mages not confined to luxurious towers of decadence but leashed and taught duty under the Qun for the good of the many.

[Lazy Jer]

blothulfur wrote...

 ...And they will be content when they see the mages not confined to luxurious towers of decadence but leashed and taught duty under the Qun for the good of the many.

You don't think you're exagerating the mages' condition just a touch?

Edit: In a hindsight effort to stay on topic I want to further state that blothulfur does make a good point that the view of the Qunari and the Templars on mages are very similar.  This adds an additional factor to consider, i.e. why the templar is quitting in the first place.  If he or she is leaving the Order because he feels mages are mistreated in the circle, then their not likely to join the Qunari after seeing a Serabas leashed and masked with his lips sewn shut.  If he feels that the Order doesn't go far enough in it's control of the mages then the Qunari might seem a viable career option.  Especially considering that both lives require strict discipline.

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 21 octobre 2011 - 08:40 .

[Anvos]

Similar yes but the only people more demonized to the faithful than the qunari are Tevintar, and even then they make exceptions when the qunari are threatening Thedas. Not to mention addicts tend to think in the short term and not long term, meaning turning completly away from the easiest sources of lyrium in Thedas seems unlikely.

[Gervaise]

That latter was my line of thinking really. Not all templars are the same but there are some who take a very hard line, others who are more sympathetic and humane. Whilst I think that Alric's motivations had nothing to do with his religious beliefs and a great deal to do with a sadistic streak and an enjoyment of dominating others, nevertheless he was still tolerated in the order and had he lived, would probably have got quite a kick out of using the taser stick on a mage. His companions seemed perfectly willing to follow his lead. Qunari thinking is based around utilising the right person for the job and someone like Alric would be very efficient in performing their duties. So even if some of these Templars were not as bad as him and were more "genuine" in their faith, they might still be attracted to the Qunari, particularly if the Chantry/Seekers are willing to make some compromises in the efforts to bring about peace with the mages, as they would probably look upon such a compromise as a betrayal of their duty.

I suppose, though, that you are right and some Templars have broken away from the Chantry, not because they are hunting down mages independently but because they are sympathetic to their cause. However, I would have thought they would have simply resigned from the order, like Keran did. The epilogue seems to imply that the Templars who are no longer controlled by the Chantry are still pursuing their Templar role, just no longer acknowledging any Chantry jurisdiction over them. I am not absolutely clear about the relationship of the original Inquisition to the Chantry, but if I understand it correctly, before the formation of mage Circles, it was the order of knighthood that hunted down rogue mages independent of Chantry control but that after the Circles were formed, it was brought under the Chantry. If that is the case, then it would seem that the Templars have reverted to their old status as the Inquisition.

[Lazy Jer]

Gervaise wrote...

...Qunari thinking is based around utilising the right person for the job and someone like Alric would be very efficient in performing their duties....

An iffy statement in my opinion.  My, admittedly limited, knowledge of the Qunari says that they tend to be very anti-vice.  Ser Alric's making every mage he could partially justify Tranquil seemed to be just as much driven by his own vices as it was to do his job.  Some Qunari might actually object to that sort of thing.

[Heimdall]

Unlikely, the Templars are devout Andrastrians even after breaking away from the Chantry Hierarchy. They only exist because her teachings dictate that Mages must be kept under control (As they read it). Even though the Qun does not seem to disagree with them on this point, the Qun would have them abandon their faith in the Maker. This they will not do unless their dedication to the order was already tenuous at best.