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[Homey C-Dawg]

Is there any actual confirmation that MP is using the same maps as SP?

I've looked and I can't find that statement from Bioware anywhere.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Is there any actual confirmation that MP is using the same maps as SP?

I've looked and I can't find that statement from Bioware anywhere.

No statement either way.  One person in particular is assuming that it's the same maps. 

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)


Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

[dreman9999]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Is there any actual confirmation that MP is using the same maps as SP?

I've looked and I can't find that statement from Bioware anywhere.

It based off what is statedfrom the mp previews. But it is a horde mode. If you played the gears mode, you'll see that they usethe same mp maps that every other mode uses, every mp does that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)


Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

LoL... because you never face waves of enemies or hard foes in SP, right?  [/sarcasm]

[Homey C-Dawg]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Is there any actual confirmation that MP is using the same maps as SP?

I've looked and I can't find that statement from Bioware anywhere.

No statement either way.  One person in particular is assuming that it's the same maps. 

Didn't think so. The only argument (from two different people) in this thread that gave me pause was that it would be the same maps as SP and you could choose to go through them as Shepard + squad or in MP, which would eliminate the need for bots.

I don't think thats the case though, since Bioware said you could currently do them solo, which is not "Shepard + squad". I think they will be unique maps, and thus I still think bots are a very good idea.

On a side note to address some other posts, I have no problem with playing a SP horde/survival mode, and could care less about how it affects my galactic readiness.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)


Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

LoL... because you never face waves of enemies or hard foes in SP, right?  [/sarcasm]

At least the waves a build to be fought by one player. Evenon insanity, myVanguard still wipes the floor with them...And that because the game is build to face one thinking player. If you played horde mode with Gears, you'll understand.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

nelly21 wrote...

I don't understand. If you want bots instead of people, why not just stick to SP?

Playing with every map I paid?

By the way, for the "bots are silly" arguments, still having silly allies is better than having no allies (which will be the case of all non-gold X360 members), even more when the game is balanced for four players.

[dreman9999]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I don't understand. If you want bots instead of people, why not just stick to SP?

Playing with every map I paid?

By the way, for the "bots are silly" arguments, still having silly allies is better than having no allies (which will be the case of all non-gold X360 members), even more when the game is balanced for four players.

No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad aboutwantingtobeable to use a system you can coordinate with?

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

dreman9999 wrote...
No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad aboutwantingtobeable to use a system you can coordinate with?

Did you even read what I said?

Non-gold X360 member = no possible human allies
No allies < dumb allies

Got it?

[Homey C-Dawg]

dreman9999 wrote...

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I don't understand. If you want bots instead of people, why not just stick to SP?

Playing with every map I paid?

By the way, for the "bots are silly" arguments, still having silly allies is better than having no allies (which will be the case of all non-gold X360 members), even more when the game is balanced for four players.

No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad aboutwantingtobeable to use a system you can coordinate with?

Are you under the impression that having the option to add bot players will somehow detract from the MP experience even when your not using any bots yourself?

[dreman9999]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I don't understand. If you want bots instead of people, why not just stick to SP?

Playing with every map I paid?

By the way, for the "bots are silly" arguments, still having silly allies is better than having no allies (which will be the case of all non-gold X360 members), even more when the game is balanced for four players.

No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad aboutwantingtobeable to use a system you can coordinate with?

Are you under the impression that having the option to add bot players will somehow detract from the MP experience even when your not using any bots yourself?

Mp is difficulty increases with the ammount of player you have on the team. If you only have yourself and very limited AI bots, what do you think is going to happen witht he increase difficulty, especially understanding that the AI would work like ME1 and ME2  squad member who are not given orders?

[dreman9999]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad about wanting to be able to use a system you can coordinate with?

Did you even read what I said?

Non-gold X360 member = no possible human allies
No allies < dumb allies

Got it?

Which is why asking for a survival mode based on the sp would be a better idea. And I did read, I was argueing based on the point that a sp survial mode with the sp system is better than a mp with bots added on.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)

Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

LoL... because you never face waves of enemies or hard foes in SP, right?  [/sarcasm]

At least the waves a build to be fought by one player. Evenon insanity, myVanguard still wipes the floor with them...And that because the game is build to face one thinking player. If you played horde mode with Gears, you'll understand.

GoW absolutely fails to interest me in any way. 

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)

Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

LoL... because you never face waves of enemies or hard foes in SP, right?  [/sarcasm]

At least the waves a build to be fought by one player. Evenon insanity, myVanguard still wipes the floor with them...And that because the game is build to face one thinking player. If you played horde mode with Gears, you'll understand.

GoW absolutely fails to interest me in any way. 

That not even an issue. I'm just saying it's an exaple of how the mp will work.(It horde mode that is.) Based on playing that mode, which has bots....I can tell you that adding bots will not improve anything at all, becausethey are too dumb to be any help. Heck, ME2 squad AI is even dumber than Geow squad AI.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

That not even an issue. I'm just saying it's an exaple of how the mp will work.(It horde mode that is.) Based on playing that mode, which has bots....I can tell you that adding bots will not improve anything at all, becausethey are too dumb to be any help. Heck, ME2 squad AI is even dumber than Geow squad AI.

So issue them orders.  Tell them to take cover, move, use their powers, etc... just as you do with the AI squadmates in ME2.  Big stinking deal.

(And your opinion of how the MP will work is largely based on your own rosey extrapolations from Bioware's marketing statements, and vague reviews -- unless of course you've actually played through the MP already...) 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

dreman9999 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I don't understand. If you want bots instead of people, why not just stick to SP?

Playing with every map I paid?

By the way, for the "bots are silly" arguments, still having silly allies is better than having no allies (which will be the case of all non-gold X360 members), even more when the game is balanced for four players.

No, having Allies that can support you is better than having allies that are too dumb to be of much help. What so bad aboutwantingtobeable to use a system you can coordinate with?

Are you under the impression that having the option to add bot players will somehow detract from the MP experience even when your not using any bots yourself?

Mp is difficulty increases with the ammount of player you have on the team. If you only have yourself and very limited AI bots, what do you think is going to happen witht he increase difficulty, especially understanding that the AI would work like ME1 and ME2  squad member who are not given orders?

Well off the top of my head I'd say scale the bots with the enemies. I'd certainly hope that they are improving squad/ally AI and not just improving enemy AI.

[Ricinator]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yeah, you're still not getting it.

Then I expine my point again so you understand.(People in the topicacksoully understood my point. So it's clear i'm not missing anything.)


Bots are dumb.....Very very dumb.....The AI is no were near the leave ofintelligence as a live human, so the bots will not give the same advatages as a live person which is support and coodination. You won't be able to make plans with the dumb AI. This dumb AI al increases the difficulty levelfor the mode, as it's difficulty level will increase based on player ammount. Add on the fact that since the AI are very dumb....You will be basicly playing the mode on your own. So you will be fighting waves of enemies made to fight multiple people on your own with no way to control the bots on your team.Thatflatly mean the mode will fall apartif the player plays it alone. If it'ts to fill spots andyourstill playin git with live people, that would be the proper way to do it but playing it alone with bot would be like living with one foot.
I am just saying their is a better way to get what you want.....A survival mode where you fight waves of enemies AI bots.....With the sp, where you already control your team mates and It's build for one person.

look we couldn't care less how stupid the bots are. They are there for 2-3person partys to fill a spot, solo people who don't want to solo, or people without a bloody conection/XBL....

so for those of us who want to play everything about the game. Bots will fill the gap as bullet shield and will supply enough cover for you as the player to try flanks, without having every single enemy on the map firing down at a solo person. and is it really hard to make the d-pad of the host left right and up move to that location for each bot, with down being fall back for all??

ok the content scales... so use less bots when you want to play a higher difficulty? there are many ways to play the MP if you include bots. So CO-OP MP becomes CO-OP MP/SP, it just adds that much more to the game for both MP crazys and RPG crazys.

Modifié par Ricinator, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Besides, the AI bots would be "optional". 

[Ricinator]

Bots would create an extension of SP experience in the MP for those who want to play with a couple bots or 3 bots.

@dreman9999
If you want MP but insist against bots with no other reasons than they are dumb, you sir should be made into a bot. But it's pretty ridiculous that you think everyone can play online or that everyone wanted MP to begin with. So thinking from the point of view of most fans.... Your group gets its precious MP, mine can play by itself with 3 bots, others who don't have connection to XBL or internet in general have bots if they want to use them.

Modifié par Ricinator, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:12 .

[DxWill10]

It seems the nay sayers are focused on talking about why bots are inferior to humans (obviously) instead of helping people understand why you don't want it. for most people it's as simple as:

If you don't want to play with bots, don't. It doesn't affect you in any way shape or form regardless if it's available or not. So what's the reason you want them to deliberately limit availability to play the co-op when bots would add a huge convenience to lots of people? Is this an 'opportunity cost' argument? If so, I would think that's an issue for a different thread.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

dreman9999 wrote...
Which is why asking for a survival mode based on the sp would be a better idea. And I did read, I was argueing based on the point that a sp survial mode with the sp system is better than a mp with bots added on.

Survival? What is that?
I'm not aiming at having more shooter content, just being able to use existing one.

[Ramdori]

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Modifié par Ramdori, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .

[Ricinator]

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Well said.