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[Xerxes52]

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Exactly.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Exactly. 

Funny how "it's optional" is supposedly a legitimate defense against any concern or criticism directed at multiplayer, but it's not when it comes to the presense of AI bots within that multiplayer. 

[Iakus]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Exactly. 

Funny how "it's optional" is supposedly a legitimate defense against any concern or criticism directed at multiplayer, but it's not when it comes to the presense of AI bots within that multiplayer. 

"Get your single player out of my multiplayer! " 

[bucyrus5000]

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Exactly. 

Funny how "it's optional" is supposedly a legitimate defense against any concern or criticism directed at multiplayer, but it's not when it comes to the presense of AI bots within that multiplayer. 

"Get your single player out of my multiplayer! " 

sure thing bro, but first get your chocolate outa ma peanut butta

err...wait that is good, we should sell this!

[DNRB]

I find it odd that all non-stickied threads are locked but this one isn't... Now why would that be?

[Killjoy Cutter]

BRND wrote...

I find it odd that all non-stickied threads are locked but this one isn't... Now why would that be?

I was thinking the same thing -- the threads calling multiplayer into question sure seem to be getting a short leash from Bioware's... people.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Perhaps because that thread is about a suggestion for multiplayer instead of a thread commenting multiplayer.

[Ricinator]

Continue support, and maybe we can get bots.

do the poll, bump with interest, or argue against...
Lets just keep the discussion open

[Celtic Latino]

cindercatz wrote...

I'm pro-bots, mainly because there are a whole lot of people online I wouldn't want to be stuck playing MP with, and they probably wouldn't with me either. Unless you have a good number of game player friends who happen to regularly play at all hours day and night, bots are nice to have, and they can only improve the MP missions play experience. Honestly, I'm likely to be playing it at three and four in the morning, even if I do have enough friends playing MP at other hours, and I don't want to get stuck having to solo a mission impossible where I've got enemies constantly coming in behind me.

And I want never to be stuck recruiting an online idiot who thinks it's funny to try and cuss me or throw insults around just to try and get somebody upset on the internet, or because they didn't like some opinion I posted somewhere ten years ago. It seems I run into that kind of crap a heck of a lot more than I run into people I like playing with.

And no, playing SP does not make up for being unable to play MP for some reason. You still miss out on what should be pretty strong game content, that you paid for when you bought the game. The entire game should be available, no matter how you play it.

This. 

Fans loyal to Mass Effect should be allowed to get the full content. We know they're implementing multiplayer to  bring in new fans and that their loyal fanbase are usually into single player games, so instead of alienating the fans who went through both games, why not make the content good for the CURRENT fans as well? Plus I definitely agree that when it comes to online, not only do connections suck but finding people to play is a real pain because people either only play with those on mics or they're picky/trolls. 

I want the opportunity to play the multiplayer content, the chance to create an asari, krogan, turian character. I've been a fan of both games and bought all DLC and supported Bioware. If Bioware wants to bring in new fans for ME3 that's fine, but at least make the content accessible for those who can't always play online. 

Besides, who wouldn't want to create their entire squad of mercs saving the galaxy? 

[Celtic Latino]

Xerxes52 wrote...

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Exactly.

Seconded

[Ramdori]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Exactly.

Seconded

3rd

[KotorEffect3]

Ramdori wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Ramdori wrote...

@ dreman9999 No body is asking for another MP/survival game type in ME3. All we want is to be able to play the existing one as we want to play it. Bots, no Bots, couple Bots... it is up to you to even play with the bots we are suggesting. You can go strictly online MP while the rest of us choose how we want to play.

Exactly.

Seconded

3rd

Thanks for letting everyone know that you agree with yourself

[Ramdori]

i didn't think anyone would realize... touche good sir

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

I've linked this thread's poll a while ago on Casey Hudson Twitter, but no response.
I hope a suggestion which gets more than 90% of "yes" won't get ignored.

[snfonseka]

I think bots are already there. I read about something like that in one of the previews in ME3 co-op.

[Ricinator]

snfonseka wrote...

I think bots are already there. I read about something like that in one of the previews in ME3 co-op.

they are prob only there atm for people doing reviews of MP.

[Iakus]

Saw nothing in the interview mentioning them though

[Ramdori]

snfonseka wrote...

I think bots are already there. I read about something like that in one of the previews in ME3 co-op.

can we get Dev input on this?

[Ricinator]

Bump because question never answered and dev locked a thread saying it was

[didymos1120]

Ricinator wrote...

Bump because question never answered and dev locked a thread saying it was

Um, no he didn't.  He was just giving generic instructions: "Please visit our multiplayer FAQ before asking multiplayer questions, as your question may have already been answered."

[Homey C-Dawg]

My guess is that Bioware hasn't decided if the inclusion of bots is worth the effort to implement yet. I'm actually encouraged that Bioware hasn't locked this thread or outright said "No bots, sorry". That makes me believe that they at least have it on the table.

Hope they implement them.

[Egilovich]

So this is my first post on this forum and its gonna be a long one, but this is a topic I feel pretty strongly about. Here goes.

Way i see it, bots would (if implemented properly) give a huuuuge boost to my enjoyment of the game. I would love to be able to play the mp maps by myself or with just a friend without having to fill the remaining slots with profanity-spewing 12yr-olds from xbox live. I could easily see myself not even playing the mp if this was my only option.

Now it does seem that difficulty in mp will scale with the number of players, whitch would make mp with just 1 or 2 players possible, but it would still be cool to be able to experience the full onslaught of a massive enemy force. A drop-in kinda system also sounds like a really cool idea, just as the option to maybe customise the class, race and maybe even appearance of your bots would be awesome.

The 2 major problems that I see with implementing bots, are bot stupidity and squad coordination.

If difficulty scales with number of “players” then the addition of 3 meat shield bots will not be of as much help as 3 real people, and the game will become unbalanced and too hard. This problem would be proportional to the number of bots in play and I believe that is the point dreman9999 has been making. I really wouldn’t mind this higher difficulty at all though, especially if you managed to implement a good squad coordination system. And to me 3 bots > 3 strangers.

The problem with coordinating and ordering the bots around would IMO mainly be one of lack of buttons on the controller. Without the pause-wheel we are restricted to hotkeys for powers and weapon switching and maybe the devs have already used the d-pad for that stuff. If not, then a system like the one in ME1 where you order the whole squad (instead of individual members like in ME2) to move/take cover/target enemy would prolly work.

This of course leads to a situation where 2 players can give the bots conflicting orders, but this could be solved by either naming one player “squad leader”, or by assigning the bots to individual players in the lobby.

I really cannot wait for this game, and I hope I’ll be able to enjoy aspect of it, however optional it may be ☺

Thx

[Xerxes52]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

My guess is that Bioware hasn't decided if the inclusion of bots is worth the effort to implement yet. I'm actually encouraged that Bioware hasn't locked this thread or outright said "No bots, sorry". That makes me believe that they at least have it on the table.

Hope they implement them.

I certainly hope they decide to put them in, it would definitely make multiplayer 100x better imo (more so if we could use them offline during server downtimes as well).

@Egilovich:

Bioware did say that they were improving the AI for ME3, so I'd hope that any possible bots would benefit from said improvements. As for lacking enough buttons to issue orders with, the AI could be programmed to just follow the player(s) around and provide cover (like their default behavior in ME2). If there was one player, the three bots would follow that player, if there are two players, each player would be followed by a bot, and with three players the one bot would probably just follow either the host or the nearest player.

[Reptillius]

I don't know if it's been said. the thread evolved a bit and I only have one opinion on the subject anyway.

With that I'll just remark.

Adding in bots is actually more likely to kill off Co-Op quicker than actually prolong it so you can find more players... i can go through and make some guesses as to some people in the forums by responses in this thread and others that would only play with the bots and refuse to play with any people what so ever. which if they are going to play the multiplayer at all that reduces the pool of people the rest of us who might want to play with people have to do so.

it could work when it hit a point in hopefully a year or so when it's mostly died off and they decided to add that feature as an addon after months of testing and play.. But that and people that can never get online are the only two instances that I could see the bots not basically having a detrimental affect on the mode.

Also... for those argueing purely as a matter of difficulty. You want to play higher difficulty on co-op but more by yourself. Keep in mind that the less people you have playing co-op with you... which is primarily balanced for 4 people... the harder it gets... We haven't played it yet but it's completely possible that we might have to consider normal difficulty co-op in a single player fashion as insanity level play or maybe even higher even with the fact that numbers of enemies are somewhat reduced with less people playing in that co-op game. They may even have such a difference that the lowest difficulties are like insanity fights in the SP and the higher difficulties are just outright gamer bragging rights that hails back to the things we old time gamers used to do that started the achievement system in the first place.

[Ticktank]

No matter how dumb the bot AIs are, they'll still be smarter than the majority of female quarian and asari players. LOL.