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[dreman9999]

DarthSliver wrote...

I well i dont see the bots as a bad thing because its Co-Op MP, people prefer MP where they kill real people mostly. So when the better MP game comes out after ME3 or they decide to go back to MW3 to get their kill joy, MP for ME3 will die off. Thats where this bot argument can be seen at, and to that its not confirmed you can solo just last they knew it was solo-able but known to be harder to do solo. Its not completely confirmed that you can solo it on a lower difficulty last i checked the thread.
But I am willing to play Co-Op alone if i have to to try it out a bit, even if it means ill get own.

The mp mode of ME3 is Pve....Playervs enemy. Players arenot goingto kill anyone.

[Bogsnot1]

Ricinator wrote...
@bogsnot1
not having skills to play MP solo locks a lot of people out, same with wanting to do it at higher difficulties solo. I understand what you mean about SP.

The only way not having the skills to solo MP would lock people out, is if my deductions in my previous post are 100% wrong, and the SP missions bear absolutely no resemblance to the MP missions. Difficulty level has no bearing on "locking people out", whether SP or MP, as it is designed by its very nature, to increase the challenges faced in the game.
Purchasing the game does not grant you the right to complete it at every difficulty level. It doesnt even give you the right to complete it at all. It merely grants you the right to play it, and try to complete it.

But is it such a bad thing to add them for the RPG crowd so it can be considered an extension of SP.

You already have those missions on the SP. How would playing them again be considered an extension? What you are proposing is that not only should you be able to get 100% galactic readiness in SP, but by playing the same missions again in MP, you get 150% galactic readiness.
Thats like asking for you to be able to recruit Tali on Haestrom, and then have Tali in your squad so you can then go to Haestrom to recruit Tali.

While MP people get some bots to fill spots when 3 people aren't available, or just having the option to mix and match with people and bots to make things more interesting. You would not have to use them if you don't want. Just like i wont be using the kinect voice thing. OPTIONAL

The entire MP side of the campaign is optional. As I have stated numerous times, you already get bots in the way of your squad, if you want to do those missions without co-op. When you do decde to go co-op, you dial it in to a difficulty level you can handle, the same as SP.

[Genshie]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...


@bogsnot1
not having skills to play MP solo locks a lot of people out, same with wanting to do it at higher difficulties solo. I understand what you mean about SP. But is it such a bad thing to add them for the RPG crowd so it can be considered an extension of SP. While MP people get some bots to fill spots when 3 people aren't available, or just having the option to mix and match with people and bots to make things more interesting. You would not have to use them if you don't want. Just like i wont be using the kinect voice thing. OPTIONAL

Playing a mp solo changes what the mode is. Mp by diffinition is not a sp game. I understand you want the play the mp but the very consept of playing alone in a mp defies it's meaning. A pve mode that has one verses everything is a survival mode. I think it would be betterto ask for a survival mode based on the sp with the common AI controls then mp with bots you can't control.

That is what I am trying to tell people over and over. If you want bots in this co-op mode you will have absolutely zero control over them. (Just like you have zero control over the bots in GoW when bots fill in slots) I am not against bots but I am against people asking for something that just won't be done and defeats the purpose of the said mode. You want control play Singleplayer. And I already mentioned the adjusting the difficulty setting. The complaining over it being to hard to solo the "co-op" mode just because you don't want to play with strangers, your friends are not on, or its to hard is invalid when you yourself have the choice over the difficulty setting just like you would in the SP campaign.

Modifié par Genshie, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:13 .

[Ricinator]

@dreman9999
Darth was saying after the hype for ME3 goes away the people who were playing it will go to some other MP experience. Just remove the word MP from the equation and just call it CO-OP. It is a co-op experience in which doesn't say it has to be with people. Adding the option for people to play with Bots and people co-op through the missions opens up longevity and a lot of new tactics.

@Bogsnot1
so you are under the impression the MP has the same maps as the SP? these will be separate missions from the campaign in which i want to play them. I will play them all the time don't get me wrong but when Hype dies off i want more than to just solo them all the time.

If im wrong about what you think plz correct me i'm trying to see your point of view but it just doesn't make sense for the long run of things.

[Ricinator]

@genshie
i answered you earlier good sir. It wouldn't be abilities. The Bots would work as Ai in game works now, all you would really control is where they would go, like your squad in ME2. They would act as there class Ai would act against them really. Unless Bioware were to take it a different route.

Modifié par Ricinator, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:23 .

[Balek-Vriege]

I said this on the MP thread, but if we're concerned about inactivity and/or not having friends online, why not make the main recruitment lobby random? Just like The Last Stand for Dawn of War 2. It works wonders for pairing people together who would not do so normally and only ever had two situations where it kept looking for games 5min+.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Ricinator]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I said this on the MP thread, but if we're concerned about inactivity and/or not having friends online, why not make the main recruitment lobby random? Just like The Last Stand for Dawn of War 2. It works wonders for pairing people together who would do so normally and only ever had two situations where it kept looking for games 5min+.

read the thread please..... i'm talking longevity of the game, when years down the road you want to play the trilogy 100% as it was available day 1,  3/6/2012 (and dlc)

[Genshie]

Ricinator wrote...

@genshie
i answered you earlier good sir. It wouldn't be abilities. The Bots would work as Ai in game works now, all you would really control is where they would go, like your squad in ME2. They would act as there class Ai would act against them really. Unless Bioware were to take it a different route.

And I keep telling you will have ZERO control meaning you don't tell them what to do at all. I keep explaining and keep giving examples of where bots fill in rolls in other games like Gears of War but you are not listening. In the majority of games where bots fill in you have absolutely NO CONTROL over what they do. If this mode includes bots you won't be telling them what to do at all they will run according to the setting of the difficulty to balance out between them and the enemy A.I.. The only thing you will have control is your own individual character.

Modifié par Genshie, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:31 .

[Ricinator]

Genshie wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

@genshie
i answered you earlier good sir. It wouldn't be abilities. The Bots would work as Ai in game works now, all you would really control is where they would go, like your squad in ME2. They would act as there class Ai would act against them really. Unless Bioware were to take it a different route.

And I keep telling you will have ZERO control meaning you don't tell them what to do at all. I keep explaining and keep giving examples of where bots fill in rolls in other games like Gears of War but you are not listening. In the majority of games where bots fill in you have absolutely NO CONTROL over what they do.

cool sauce....... i said earlier having them be bullet sponges is how i would us them. They would be there for those who don't want to solo or just want to fill a spot or 2............................................ it's MP after all. Sure people may use all 3 spots as bots and why not you don't tell them how to play. so yes they may not be controlable to your eliete expectations, but they are bots... they are there to provide somewhat help.

[Shia Luck]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The reasoning behind my view is based on the information gleaned from various screenshots and movies that have been released so far. 



In this image, we clearly see 3 mission sites. Now, Shep and gang could go along and do all 3 missions should he chose to. Or, he could go and do one of them, and once completed, he could fly off to the next system, leaving the forces that he aided free to go off and do the other 2 missions (co-op).

Wow... I hadn't received that impression. I hadn't seen this image before. Any chance of a link?

But that's just perfect, no? End of problem.

Have fun

[JamieCOTC]

BW is about choices, right? That's what they are always saying, so I recommend both ... bots (if you want them) and solo if you don't.

[Bogsnot1]

Ricinator wrote...
@Bogsnot1
so you are under the impression the MP has the same maps as the SP? these will be separate missions from the campaign in which i want to play them. I will play them all the time don't get me wrong but when Hype dies off i want more than to just solo them all the time.

If im wrong about what you think plz correct me i'm trying to see your point of view but it just doesn't make sense for the long run of things.

Ive explained my position numerous times. Ive provided images and an explanation to backup my stance on why the maps will probably be the same. Other people in this thread have accepted the basis of my reasoning, yet you seem determined to insist that its all going to be extra to the SP, rather than the alternative as it has been described as by the devs.
From the Official FAQ

You can reach the highest levels of success in the single player experience alone, but Galaxy at War gives you alternative ways to get there.

Note that it says alternative. Now the defination for alternative is;

The choice between two mutually exclusive possibilities.

It does not mean extra. So you do the missions either in SP mode, or MP mode. Not both.

Clear enough?

[Ricinator]

JamieCOTC wrote...

BW is about choices, right? That's what they are always saying, so I recommend both ... bots (if you want them) and solo if you don't.

exactly, you would not have to use them, or you could us 1 bot with 3 friends.

[Reaper Kitten of Doom]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

[Ricinator]

@Bogsnot1
i understand where your position is. and "probably the same maps" is a ridiculous statement when they said the missions would be separate from SP but will aid you in SP war efforts. That being said having Bots is an Alternative to going solo. The missions are not in both.

[Balek-Vriege]

Ricinator wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I said this on the MP thread, but if we're concerned about inactivity and/or not having friends online, why not make the main recruitment lobby random? Just like The Last Stand for Dawn of War 2. It works wonders for pairing people together who would do so normally and only ever had two situations where it kept looking for games 5min+.

read the thread please..... i'm talking longevity of the game, when years down the road you want to play the trilogy 100% as it was available day 1,  3/6/2012 (and dlc)

That happens to most MP games anyways though although bots do fix that in the end (Guild Wars and merc patch is a godsend ).  The only problem I have with it is that bots can take over a community sometimes.  In which case no one actually plays together.  To use GW as an example:  You can use customized bots made up of special NPCs and AI versions of your other chars.  That allows players to use awsome team builds which are better than 99% of player teams for most of the game.  You can't find a real group for anything unless it's a bounty day for a mission etc.  Although it's really nice to be able to do hard stuff alone, you find yourself playing a SP game rather than MP and you begin to think "what's the point of this quasi-MMO now?"

The Last Stand for DW2 has been around a while and even when Space Marine came out like two months ago, I could easily find a group (but had one of those 5min+ searches during that point)  with random search party.

My personal solution in an ideal world:

1.  Random Search Engine.  Gets rid of the anxiety some people have grouping with others (in regards to that "am I good enough or am I going to look like a total noob?" feeling).

and/or

2.  Bots, but weak compared to players.  I would make them one trick ponies so people aren't encouraged to ignore real player groups.  Very similar to the way Guilds Wars was in the beginning with the henchmen.  If you tried hard enough you could complete the mission with them, but your best bet was finding some players.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:52 .

[Genshie]

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Get it for PS3 or PC. Issue solved stop complaining. Your issue is still valid but it is easily fixed.

[Bogsnot1]

Balek-Vriege wrote...
I said this on the MP thread, but if we're concerned about inactivity and/or not having friends online, why not make the main recruitment lobby random? Just like The Last Stand for Dawn of War 2. It works wonders for pairing people together who would not do so normally and only ever had two situations where it kept looking for games 5min+.

I currently have that question up in my FAQ, if there will be any form of lobby or match-making service. No asnwer as yet.

Shia Luck wrote...
Wow... I hadn't received that impression. I hadn't seen this image before. Any chance of a link? 

I got it from a youtube vid called Mass Effect 3 Galaxy Map which was put together from various vids from Gamespots E3 footage. Its legit, as Ive seen it on official vids, but that movie was the one I definately knew the name of, and could easily find to grab the screenshot from.

[CroGamer002]

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Only MMO's have montly fee.

[Reaper Kitten of Doom]

Genshie wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Get it for PS3 or PC. Issue solved stop complaining. Your issue is still valid but it is easily fixed.

Do you honestly belive everyone has both a PS3, Xbox and a powerful gaming computer at home?

[Genshie]

Mesina2 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Only MMO's have montly fee.

He means paying for Xbox Live/ect...

[Genshie]

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Get it for PS3 or PC. Issue solved stop complaining. Your issue is still valid but it is easily fixed.

Do you honestly belive everyone has both a PS3, Xbox and a powerful gaming computer at home?

I never said that but that is not my problem. I just stated an easy solution. It was your choice to get a 360. Not my fault Microsoft is greedy.

[Balek-Vriege]

Mesina2 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Reaper Kitten of Doom wrote...
Bots please! 

I want to be able to play all of the game without buying xbox gold membership!

How many other games do you own that have MP capability? Do you complain about "not being able to play all of the game" with those too?
 

Asking for a feature is compaining?

I have no idea how many of my games have MP. I never play MP. However, Mass Effect is my favorite game, and I want to have the possibility to play some co-op missions without having to pay monthly fees. 

Only MMO's have montly fee.

Not mand of them either.  I bet the majority are free to play with stores to buy extra added stuff.  Only the biggest name ones are monthly fee save for GW and ones that start to fail.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:59 .

[Ricinator]

@balek-vriege
i understand that point, it's a valid one for sure. But im expecting some really hard missions through MP so having Bots that are one trick ponies may not work. But i think finding people online for the first 6 months wont be a problem. So having Bots with some skills will be useful for the long haul.

[CroGamer002]

^That's all in Microsoft hands then.