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[eukaryote03]

please can someone provide me an explantation as to why Adair is MIA in Awakening? We're the only TWO GW's in all of Feralden in Origens and he just up and vanishes on me, leaving me all alone, what the hell guy? We got a kodax letter from Leli and Zevran, and we all know why Morrigan isn't around, but none of them are even GW's, why couldn't our only GW write us a memo expalining what he is doing that is so impotent that he's not here helping us save Feralden again? I miss having a familiar face, it's nice being able to recruit new people, but it's kind of uncomfortable being surrounded by nothing but strangers.

Modifié par eukaryote03, 22 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

To be fair, you have no idea you'll be saving Ferelden when you set out for Amaranthine. In fact, you don't even know Vigil Keep's been attacked until you get there.

Also, there are supposed to be Wardens at the Keep by the time of Awakening. You don't know they're all dead/missing until you get there. Maybe Alistair wasn't sent because they didn't need another Warden, and couldn't rejoin you later because it was too hard to get through the darkspawn lines, or he was needed to defend somewhere else.

And isn't Oghren a familiar face?

[ShimmeringDjinn]

I don't play Awakening anymore because quite frankly it sucks. However when I did play it I was rather irritated that Alistair wasn't in it too. The man helped my Warden defeat the blight and he said he'd follow my Warden a round after Anora was declared Queen but then he just up's and vanishes without so much as a 'good bye my love' .
But as Shadow points out, we have Oghren. I love that Dwarf

[Furtled]

I figured he'd been recalled to Weisshaupt to explain exactly what happened/report in or had gone off to sort out Duncan's grave marker in Highever. Does surprise me however that there's no letter from him if he's the Warden's LI, wonder if that was a deliberate choice or simply something that got overlooked.

As Shadow said though, there's still one familiar face :happy:

Modifié par Furtled, 24 octobre 2011 - 10:48 .

[eukaryote03]

WHy would it be deliberate? I can't think of where else he might be unless there's another blight someplace, but surely we would have heard about it if there was.

[UEG Donkey]

If you chose the other GW in Origins he has been sent to Orlais

[Furtled]

eukaryote03 wrote...
WHy would it be deliberate? I can't think of where else he might be unless there's another blight someplace, but surely we would have heard about it if there was.

No idea, that ending (if memory serves) was the one least chosen by players, so I suppose it's possible there was some thing planned but time ran out. Be surprised if there isn't an official explanation posted somewhere in the depths of the forums from closer to the time Awakenings was released.

Or like UEG Donkey says, he's in Orlais and doesn't write/letter got lost in the post.

Modifié par Furtled, 25 octobre 2011 - 05:31 .

[TRLahti]

eukaryote03 wrote...why couldn't our only GW write us a memo expalining what he is doing that is so impotent that he's not here helping us save Feralden again?

I have only one guess...

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

eukaryote03 wrote...

WHy would it be deliberate? I can't think of where else he might be unless there's another blight someplace, but surely we would have heard about it if there was.

The developers only wanted to bring back ONE Origins companion.

I seem to recall there being some kind of claim that Oghren was chosen because he was the most popular companion, or that he was the one most people wanted to return, but I believe the devs opted for Oghren because he's the companion who died the least number of times across all the player-data Bioware collected.*

Probably because unless you make a conscious effort to lower his approval to -100, you'll never realise it's even possible to kill him.



*Disregarding Morrigan, who can't die at all, but who always disappears after the game is over.

[Sresla]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I seem to recall there being some kind of claim that Oghren was chosen because he was the most popular companion, or that he was the one most people wanted to return, but I believe the devs opted for Oghren because he's the companion who died the least number of times across all the player-data Bioware collected.*

I actually think the official reason that was given (there was the claim he was popular too, but...) was that Oghren was the companion who got the least amount of face time because of how most people played the game, heading to Orzammar last - so he was the last companion to join the party and you only got to have him through the Landsmeet stuff or potentially Haven/Denerim.

What Shadow says is probably true as well (about being able to kill him), and coupled with the fact that if ANY love interest was chosen, fans of the ones who weren't would raise almighty hell. Which leaves us with the choices of Wynne, Sten, the Dog or Oghren (I'd list Shale too, but she's a DLC character so...) Given my druthers between the four, I might have picked Oghren anyway (I totally loved Dog, but he should have been able to come along by default anyway, bad show to leave him behind!), except Oghren turned so surly during Awakenings. Like, the first 15 minutes of the game, when you come across him slaughtering Darkspawn and he gives you the big enthusiastic wave are great. Then it plays out almost as if you're the new Orlesian Warden and he barely knows you. It doesn't help that the two other companions Oghren played off best (Zevran and the Dog) are absent; a lot of his stuff falls flat with the new cast of characters (everyone's so serious business in Awakenings, except Anders, and look what happened to him in DA2... sweet Maker. RIP awesome Awakenings Anders...)

Of course, then they went and made DLC for both Leliana and Morrigan (although Morrigan was only in hers for .03 seconds) leaving Zevran and Alistair out in the cold, so I'm not sure what that all was about. Add insult to injury with their appearance in DA2 (Alistair looks like the Blight continued somewhere inside his face and the less said about Zevran's "new elf revamp" the better) and I'm almost inclined to believe any conspiracy theory involving them.

Modifié par Sresla, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:36 .

[UEG Donkey]

Nice spoiler about Anders, but otherwise I'd have to agree about Oghren being surly.

[CBGB]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
I seem to recall there being some kind of claim that Oghren was chosen because he was the most popular companion, or that he was the one most people wanted to return

Wow.

Don't get me wrong - he's good fun, and his laughing fit in camp as he tries to tell a joke still makes me grin, but I never expected him to be the popular choice. Like the crude friend//coworker/roommate, he's entertaining at the right times, but a questionable pick for a cross-country companion.

He was my second-to-last choice, and I assumed fit the bill for what Sresla noted, lack of romantic entanglement.

[MEMANIAsama]

I think it was Oghren because he wasn't a previous love interest, and there were less variables involved in bringing him over/back. They could've invented a new warrior character, but they decided to give you a friendly face for a tank/dps right off the bat. I mean, maybe Mheiri(?) would've stuck around longer if they didn't put Oghren in there, but... yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I think of it this way ultimately:

- Familiar face and comedic relief
- DPS or Tank, doesn't matter what class you have he's useful in the early game/late game.
- Voice Actor has done a ton of work with Bioware, maybe even in contract?
- As was stated, needed more face time because he was usually the last guy recruited. I'm not sure who people have used less, Oghren or Sten.
- Less variables with romances/deaths/destinies.

Alistair COULD'VE come back, but what if he was dead/king/drunk/etc. then you'd be missing a party member. There were too many variables involved with Alistair so it was just easier to say he was elsewhere doing stuff, whether that was being a King for a cameo, or dealing with darkspawn/grey warden stuff in Orlais or whatever. Same thing applies to Loghain not being there, because while they COULD'VE had Loghain replace Alistair if you didn't have him anymore, Loghain can still be dead from the Archdemon. Oghren didn't have to deal with any of this crap, aside from Sten he was pretty much the only other Warrior they could've called on to fill this role, and Sten isn't really that "fun".

[Mike3207]

Loghain was there-he had a cameo.

[OMTING52601]

Hey, lol, I liked Sten. Especially paired with Leliana (you're a big softie). I didn't like Oghren showing up in Awakening all happy to see the Warden, then being a total PITA to get his personal quest because his 'like-o-meter' reset to middle ground. Chatting that bastard up to +91 is a ridiculous. LOL, as an aside, I actually get Oghren pretty early in the game, since I do the Circle, then Redcliffe part one, then Orzammar, then Elves....

Still, it does suck that unless you put Alistair on the throne, you don't hear peep one from him. And his cameo in DA2 is kinda sucky. Not for the first time, I wish the console versions were moddable.