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[Morroian]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the presentation acknowledges that consequence should be a factor, why is it missing from Legacy and MoTA, where the plot is basically railroaded at the end and choice ultimately didn't matter? I think I'd feel better about what was said if I felt that they were going to seriously tackle the problems that fans had with the sequel.

I know you'll disagree but it isn't missing in Legacy and yes I admit the ending of MOTA is a disappointment in that regard.
In Legacy there is an alternate path depending on your choice. Hawke and party missing the Larius/Janeka had been possessed is not ane example of no consequences because the way it was set up it was reasonable that they didn't realise what had happened.

[Marionetten]

Master Shiori wrote...

Isabela changed a lot, yes, but Merrill isn't such a huge change from how she was in Origins. And I've yet to see anyone say that her Origins look was better.

You weren't looking hard enough. Not that she was much of a looker in Dragon Age: Origins but a lot of people, myself included, absolutely hated her childish looks.

I much prefered how she looked in this piece of concept art. You can tell how driven she is by just looking at her.

[Mr.House]

Marionetten wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Isabela changed a lot, yes, but Merrill isn't such a huge change from how she was in Origins. And I've yet to see anyone say that her Origins look was better.

You weren't looking hard enough. Not that she was much of a looker in Dragon Age: Origins but a lot of people, myself included, absolutely hated her childish looks.

I much prefered how she looked in this piece of concept art. You can tell how driven she is by just looking at her.

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs?

Modifié par Mr.House, 23 octobre 2011 - 08:19 .

[Romantiq]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

I hope it's not Morrigan. I don't even want Hawke to cross any paths with her. He is not worthy.

Hawke isn't going to be DA3's protgagonist. You know that right?

Now I do. Thank god for that change in DA3.

Atakuma wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

I hope it's not Morrigan. I don't even want Hawke to cross any paths with her. He is not worthy.

Oh, grow up.

Follow your own advice kiddo.

Modifié par Romantiq, 23 octobre 2011 - 08:26 .

[seraphymon]

Marionetten wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Isabela changed a lot, yes, but Merrill isn't such a huge change from how she was in Origins. And I've yet to see anyone say that her Origins look was better.

You weren't looking hard enough. Not that she was much of a looker in Dragon Age: Origins but a lot of people, myself included, absolutely hated her childish looks.

I much prefered how she looked in this piece of concept art. You can tell how driven she is by just looking at her.

aside from the concept art i agree. She looks soo muhc worse than in Origins, but then again the majority of all elfs do.

[Marionetten]

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

[Mr.House]

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

[seraphymon]

Mr.House wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

 I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

[whykikyouwhy]

seraphymon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

 I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

While this will ultimately remain a matter of opinion, in DA:O Merrill comes off as confident because she is among her clan. In DA2, she is primarily away from and interacting outside of her clan. But in the scenes where she returns to Sundermount, she comes off as more self assured than when romping about with Hawke & company. So how she talks and acts in DA2 is meant to convey her awkwardness at 1. being away from what is familiar to her, and 2. being surrounded by the very strange shemlen. Let's face it, humans don't make a lot of sense.

But, to me, that doesn't radiate 'childlike.' It simply strikes me as a matter of confidence and self awareness. Hardly something to measure age or maturity by - it's really just environmental/situational.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 23 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[Mr.House]

seraphymon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

 I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

Ya she's a child all right <_<

[alex90c]

While this will ultimately remain a matter of opinion, in DA:O Merrill
comes off as confident because she is among her clan. In DA2, she is
primarily away from and interacting outside of her clan. But in the
scenes where she returns to Sundermount, she comes off as more self
assured than when romping about with Hawke & company. So how she
talks and acts in DA2 is meant to convey her awkwardness at 1. being
away from what is familiar to her, and 2. being surrounded by the very
strange shemlen. Let's face it, humans don't make a lot of sense. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

But,
to me, that doesn't radiate 'childlike.' It simply strikes me as a
matter of confidence and self awareness. Hardly something to measure age
or maturity by - it's really just environmental/situational.

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

Modifié par alex90c, 23 octobre 2011 - 08:53 .

[Mr.House]

alex90c wrote...

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

No when she's with her clan. She acts just like she was in DAO

[TEWR]

seraphymon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

 I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

Her DAO self was confident around the clan, which her DAII self still is. All you have to do is bring her to Sundermount in Act 1 and talk to Ilen, and then stand near Hahren Paivel. In both cases, she's not afraid to speak her mind.

Outside of the clan, it's entirely normal for her to not be confident in a human/City Elf-filled city, since she's had no experience with the humans. She's only met one human prior to Hawke, and that was Duncan. She doesn't know how to act because this is all new to her, and in the years that follow she grows accustomed to life in Kirkwall. Her friendship with Varric and Isabela certainly helped in this regard.

She's fairly more confident around the Alienage since there are Elves there, but again this is like a different race of people to her. She doesn't know how to act around them. But in time, she's known amongst the Alienage elves and even has friends there (Nyssa).

She's not a child in any way, shape, or form. Inexperienced at first definitely, but that's what I'd expect from someone going on a new journey of sorts in a type of place that said person has never been in before.

[Mr.House]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Uh huh, are you sure you don't prefer it more because you see more skin and side of her boobs? {smilie}

If that was the case I'm sure I'd be all over Isabela. No, the outfit is irrelevant. What matters is that she doesn't look like a child. She looks like a competent party member.

She does not look like a child in DA2

 I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

Her DAO self was confident around the clan, which her DAII self still is. All you have to do is bring her to Sundermount in Act 1 and talk to Ilen, and then stand near Hahren Paivel. In both cases, she's not afraid to speak her mind.

Outside of the clan, it's entirely normal for her to not be confident in a human/City Elf-filled city, since she's had no experience with the humans. She's only met one human prior to Hawke, and that was Duncan. She doesn't know how to act because this is all new to her, and in the years that follow she grows accustomed to life in Kirkwall. Her friendship with Varric and Isabela certainly helped in this regard.

She's fairly more confident around the Alienage since there are Elves there, but again this is like a different race of people to her. She doesn't know how to act around them. But in time, she's known amongst the Alienage elves and even has friends there (Nyssa).

She's not a child in any way, shape, or form. Inexperienced at first definitely, but that's what I'd expect from someone going on a new journey of sorts in a type of place that said person has never been in before.

This.

[TEWR]

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

example?

oh and what liesandpropaganda said.

[Kaiser Shepard]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Everyone talks and acts the same seven years later

Most children tend to grow up in such a timeframe.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[alex90c]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

example?

oh and what liesandpropaganda said.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU

getting examples involves me having to ... load up dragon age 2

don't make me do that

please

[Mr.House]

alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

example?

oh and what liesandpropaganda said.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU

getting examples involves me having to ... load up dragon age 2

don't make me do that

please

Then maybe you should keep your flap shut.:innocent:

[seraphymon]

You are all acting like i cant tell the difference from how she acts within her clan and outside of it. Im well aware of it,but she still acts like a child, having nothing to do with her being not or out of her element. Its the tone and expressions and how she goes about things. She whines and cries in both areas, when she doesnt get what she wants. Even in her clan she acts very differently than in DAO, this being outside the fact that she is personally almost at war within her own clan in DA2. She is much like a child in alot of ways, the VA for her didnt help this case nor does the cartoonish art style.

[whykikyouwhy]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Everyone talks and acts the same seven years later

Most children tend to grow up in such a timeframe.

Let's look at the confidence aspect though. If someone is uneasy giving speeches in front of groups of people, that may not be something that fades away within 7 years - that unease and lack of confidence to speak extemporaneously may yet remain. The same can be said about Merrill's wariness and fumbling when speaking to and around humans. She is less sure of herself.

So again, I personally don't see that as anything that makes a parallel to being childlike. Some people go their whole lives without feeling very confident. It doesn't make them any less mature as individuals - it just hearkens to their personal comfort levels.

[slimgrin]

Mr.House wrote...



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Oh, Merill, your glossy-eyed Navi like innocence is so endearing to all things cheesy. Did James Cameron invent you?

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[alex90c]

Mr.House wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet she talks and acts the same way seven years later in Act 3.

example?

oh and what liesandpropaganda said.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU

getting examples involves me having to ... load up dragon age 2

don't make me do that

please

Then maybe you should keep your flap shut.:innocent:

my ... flap?