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[naledgeborn]

Culture Shock.

[Mr.House]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Don't mind House, he's possessed

shhhh

[whykikyouwhy]

seraphymon wrote...

You are all acting like i cant tell the difference from how she acts within her clan and outside of it. Im well aware of it,but she still acts like a child, having nothing to do with her being not or out of her element. Its the tone and expressions and how she goes about things. She whines and cries in both areas, when she doesnt get what she wants. Even in her clan she acts very differently than in DAO, this being outside the fact that she is personally almost at war within her own clan in DA2. She is much like a child in alot of ways, the VA for her didnt help this case nor does the cartoonish art style.

Merrill is expressive and, at times, emotional and empathic. Lots of people (adults) are. Some people get misty-eyed at movies, or when their friends lovingly talk about cheese. It happens. That doesn't make someone like a child.

And I don't recall any whining. Well, maybe from Carver...

I'm not even going to comment on the art style because there are other threads and countless pages of posts that cover that.

[seraphymon]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

You are all acting like i cant tell the difference from how she acts within her clan and outside of it. Im well aware of it,but she still acts like a child, having nothing to do with her being not or out of her element. Its the tone and expressions and how she goes about things. She whines and cries in both areas, when she doesnt get what she wants. Even in her clan she acts very differently than in DAO, this being outside the fact that she is personally almost at war within her own clan in DA2. She is much like a child in alot of ways, the VA for her didnt help this case nor does the cartoonish art style.

Merrill is expressive and, at times, emotional and empathic. Lots of people (adults) are. Some people get misty-eyed at movies, or when their friends lovingly talk about cheese. It happens. That doesn't make someone like a child.

And I don't recall any whining. Well, maybe from Carver...

I'm not even going to comment on the art style because there are other threads and countless pages of posts that cover that.

Trying to call what she does as justifiable is like pissing on my back and calling it rain. Its whiny, maybe not in the same way as carver, or even as much or obvious, but how you express those things says something to other peoples minds.

[Teddie Sage]

xkg wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Hawke haters are as pathetic as the Grey Warden worshippers... Wait...

...how?

Because they're the same people.

Actually, I hate Hawke and dislike the Grey Wardens at the same time.

Hehe  I hate Hawke and I love all my Wardens. Now I am pathetic because Teddie Sage said so.
Not that I care what he thinks of me...

Of course you are! 

Dude, I'm being sarcastic there. I just hate when people keep bragging about their hatred. (Hypocritical much? Teddie, you keep saying how much you hate Sebastian... But shhhhh...) Moooooooove on. I'd love to come on the DA2 boards and being able to read the news and the comments without ever seeing those rude ones. But hey... it's total chaos here, nothing we can do about it.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 23 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .

[mesmerizedish]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some people get misty-eyed...when their friends lovingly talk about cheese. It happens. That doesn't make someone like a child.

Don't make fun of me

[whykikyouwhy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some people get misty-eyed...when their friends lovingly talk about cheese. It happens. That doesn't make someone like a child.

Don't make fun of me

Who do you think teared up when you changed your avatar, hmm?? Don't make an old lady cry again...

[whykikyouwhy]

seraphymon wrote...

Trying to call what she does as justifiable is like pissing on my back and calling it rain. Its whiny, maybe not in the same way as carver, or even as much or obvious, but how you express those things says something to other peoples minds.

I'm telling you what I see from my perspective. At no point have I advised you to get an umbrella.

Again, this is a matter of opinion. I don't see Merrill as childlike...simply put. I see someone who is awkward in certain situations, is driven in her goals (perhaps quite narrow in her focus), and who, on all other counts, is a pretty darn loyal friend. If most of your issue is due to the elf design, ok, that's one thing. But I can't correlate her character to that of a child.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I came to say I enjoyed this little panel. kthxbye

[jlb524]

seraphymon wrote...

Trying to call what she does as justifiable is like pissing on my back and calling it rain. Its whiny, maybe not in the same way as carver, or even as much or obvious, but how you express those things says something to other peoples minds.

What does she even do that's 'whiny' and 'not justifiable'?

[seraphymon]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

Trying to call what she does as justifiable is like pissing on my back and calling it rain. Its whiny, maybe not in the same way as carver, or even as much or obvious, but how you express those things says something to other peoples minds.

I'm telling you what I see from my perspective. At no point have I advised you to get an umbrella.

Again, this is a matter of opinion. I don't see Merrill as childlike...simply put. I see someone who is awkward in certain situations, is driven in her goals (perhaps quite narrow in her focus), and who, on all other counts, is a pretty darn loyal friend. If most of your issue is due to the elf design, ok, that's one thing. But I can't correlate her character to that of a child.

The elf design like i said is only 1 reason, more like the icing on the cake. because to me she is the most childlike, in almost every aspect, and again this is outside her awkwardness. Is she a child no, nor would i say she is the same as some of the NPC children we meet, but not far off either i would say. Versus DAO where her traits are mostly the same i wouldnt consider her childlike nor act like it. 

[Ju13es]

There is a thread all about Merrill y'all know

[Zanallen]

seraphymon wrote...

The elf design like i said is only 1 reason, more like the icing on the cake. because to me she is the most childlike, in almost every aspect, and again this is outside her awkwardness. Is she a child no, nor would i say she is the same as some of the NPC children we meet, but not far off either i would say. Versus DAO where her traits are mostly the same i wouldnt consider her childlike nor act like it. 

Well gee, let's divorce you from everything and everyone you know and place you in a completely alien enviroment filled with people who have very little, if anything, in common with you and have a good portion of those people hate you just for being who you are. Then we'll see how well you adjust and act.

[jlb524]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

I'm willing to bet that if Merrill was a Morrigan-like character she wouldn't get called "stupid ****". She'd just be a ****. Trololo

I surely won't take that bet.

[tmp7704]

Mr.House wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

I beg to differ, with the way  she looks, talks, and acts sometimes. All she does is remind me of a child, unlike her DAO self.

Ya she's a child all right <_<

Relatively large eyes are indeed a trait you'll observe in human children, as well as some other features and the frail, long-limbed frame that's also typical for teens. If anything, it's the supposed kid in that bottom picture that doesn't show too many cues about his age, mainly thanks to his Jay Leno chin 

Merrill's naive attitude doesn't help in that regard, either.

[seraphymon]

Zanallen wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

The elf design like i said is only 1 reason, more like the icing on the cake. because to me she is the most childlike, in almost every aspect, and again this is outside her awkwardness. Is she a child no, nor would i say she is the same as some of the NPC children we meet, but not far off either i would say. Versus DAO where her traits are mostly the same i wouldnt consider her childlike nor act like it. 

Well gee, let's divorce you from everything and everyone you know and place you in a completely alien enviroment filled with people who have very little, if anything, in common with you and have a good portion of those people hate you just for being who you are. Then we'll see how well you adjust and act.

Wasnt this her choice in the first place? In any case I surely wouldnt act like she does. Yes there would be awkwardness, but like i say again im not counting that against her.

[jlb524]

seraphymon wrote...

Wasnt this her choice in the first place? In any case I surely wouldnt act like she does. Yes there would be awkwardness, but like i say again im not counting that against her.

It was her choice to leave what was basically her family to follow her own path (not a trait I'd assign to a child).

I'll ask again, how does she act that is 'childlike'?

[Zanallen]

seraphymon wrote...

Wasnt this her choice in the first place? In any case I surely wouldnt act like she does. Yes there would be awkwardness, but like i say again im not counting that against her.

Not really. It was a consequence of her choice. She chose to pursue blood magic and the eluvian in an attempt to regain lost knowledge of the elves. The consequence was that she was exiled from her clan. Her conviction and, dare I say maturity, caused her to keep focused on her goal. Given the threat of being kicked out of their home and losing all contact with their former life, most children would cave.

And no, I would imagine you would act much like Merrill. Awkward, oblivious of local customs, ignorant of what would be common knowledge to everyone around you.

[seraphymon]

Zanallen wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

Wasnt this her choice in the first place? In any case I surely wouldnt act like she does. Yes there would be awkwardness, but like i say again im not counting that against her.

Not really. It was a consequence of her choice. She chose to pursue blood magic and the eluvian in an attempt to regain lost knowledge of the elves. The consequence was that she was exiled from her clan. Her conviction and, dare I say maturity, caused her to keep focused on her goal. Given the threat of being kicked out of their home and losing all contact with their former life, most children would cave.

And no, I would imagine you would act much like Merrill. Awkward, oblivious of local customs, ignorant of what would be common knowledge to everyone around you.

Yes really. other thigns are act of consequence, but she wasnt banished, she didnt have to go to kirkwall,  She was only banished years later in act 3. You can call it conviction and focused on her task, but its also ignorance and unqillingless to listen to her own people, which i call immature.

You cant tell me how i would or wouldn't act. Dont pressume to know that. Would there be akwardness, or oblviouness, yes, but its how i deal with those situations which make me different. Ive been in those type of situations as it is, and i never acted like she did.

Modifié par seraphymon, 23 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[seraphymon]

jlb524 wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

Wasnt this her choice in the first place? In any case I surely wouldnt act like she does. Yes there would be awkwardness, but like i say again im not counting that against her.

It was her choice to leave what was basically her family to follow her own path (not a trait I'd assign to a child).

I'll ask again, how does she act that is 'childlike'?

I meant that as a reply to zan asking about being ripped away and placed somewhere else, not in reference in her choice to follow her own path.

[TEWR]

seraphymon wrote...


Yes really. other thigns are act of consequence, but she wasnt banished, she didnt have to go to kirkwall,  She was only banished years later in act 3. You can call it conviction and focused on her task, but its also ignorance and unqillingless to listen to her own people, which i call immature.

why should she listen to them when she's the one following the mantra of the Dalish? Restoring any Elven lore they come across.

If anything, they should be listening to her.

[seraphymon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

seraphymon wrote...


Yes really. other thigns are act of consequence, but she wasnt banished, she didnt have to go to kirkwall,  She was only banished years later in act 3. You can call it conviction and focused on her task, but its also ignorance and unqillingless to listen to her own people, which i call immature.

why should she listen to them when she's the one following the mantra of the Dalish? Restoring any Elven lore they come across.

If anything, they should be listening to her.

Cause evidently she ended up being wrong? The keeper obviously knew of the danger and tried to warn her her countless times. But no she just had to  pull off a "opening pandoras box thing" Merril doesnt even have any facts that even if she did succeed that it would reveal any lore forgotten.