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[Xilizhra]

I'm not normally one to start conspiracy theories about Bioware's agendas, but I have to say that the trends involving qunari have been somewhat odd.

In Origins, we get a qunari party member, and all the other traces of qunari we encounter are evil Tal-Vashoth. All right, fine. We needed to get some look at their culture firsthand, and it's unlikely that Sten would attack other qunari.

Then, in DA2, we see a bunch more qunari in Kirkwall, who spend all of their time lurking in the compound while covertly searching for the Tome of Koslun. The odd part is that while they do tend to be vaguely threatening, they're never shown actually doing anything much to the city until the end, and in that case, it's shown to be the result of portrayed-as-totally-unjustified Chantry zealots; what's interesting is that Petrice and company are portrayed as far objectively worse than Meredith and the templars, despite many of their mooks just being normal people. Admittedly, I'm sure many people who've seen pictures of mobs doing nasty things quite enjoyed getting the opportunity to slaughter a couple of them, but it still seemed a bit lopsided, since the only reason ever given for not wanting the qunari in Kirkwall was religious fanaticism, and no one was ever afraid of calling it such. Oh, and there was that one elf who hated the fact that the qunari were culturally imperializing the Alienage, but she was insane and tried to attack you, so let's just forget about her, obviously.

And Mark of the Assassin kicks it up a further notch by basically binding you into aiding a qunari thought police agent steal back vital intelligence and letting her go with it. Obviously, this has already been discussed, but another peculiar thing about Tallis is that she's now gotten her own web series; why? Is Bioware so confident that so many people will fall behind the qunari line? Because quite frankly, I have no desire to watch a qunari assassin try to kill a rogue mage; it's kind of like if Ser Karras got his own series, except maybe without the rape. I'm just unsure why Bioware is putting so much into trying to make us sympathize with these people, more than they've done for any other faction.

[TheRevanchist]

MoTS and the web series is imo...nothing more then Bioware fangasiming over the "glorious" Felica Day. <.<

[Herr Uhl]

I don't think there is any conspiracy here. It is revealing new things about a people that has been pretty unknown until now. Qunari acting like vandals would be kind of odd.

Preparation before an invasion, that is all methinks.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I have nothing against such web series and other spin-offs, as there is nothing inherently wrong with showing things from another perspective. I do, however, despise the complete lack of player agency on the matter in MotA, and the almost complete lack thereof in Act II (why can't a diplomat or joker side with Petrice?).

The worst thing about MotA is that most people play it after ousting the Qunari and becoming the Champion, at which point it's a safe assumption that most Hawkes would be opposed to aiding the horned future invaders of Thedas, but he just does.

As to why Tallis is given her own web series, that is indeed obvious: geek "celebrity" Felicia Day.

[TEWR]

No. -- Sten

To be serious, I doubt they are. Religious persecution is a common thing in societies, and that Bioware used it on the Qunari doesn't mean much since it was also used on the Dalish in Act III (and prior to that Ilen had many dealings with humans since they were camped).

[naledgeborn]

Pushing Qunari sympathy, right... The only true unique thing in this fantasy setting which was barely introduced and spoken of in the IP's foundation. The writers at BioWare must be insane for trying to expose the fans to something completely fresh and new in their sword and sorcery.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:06 .

[General User]

Tallis is really the first Qunari we meet who really comes off as a normal person. She's a good woman and a patriot, even if her country/religion/philosophy is more than a little on the wacky side.

I like learning more about the Qun and the Qunari. The more we learn about them the more we find out how much like us they really, at least I do anyway.

Modifié par General User, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:07 .

[Xilizhra]

I actually didn't consider the Felicia Day thing, because I honestly have no idea who she is and it didn't occur to me.

She's a good woman and a patriot, even if the country/religion/philosophy is more than a little on the wacky side.

Patriotism isn't inherently positive.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:07 .

[TEWR]

Regarding Felicia Day, it was Bioware's idea for the character to be an Elven Ben-Hassrath and she liked it. It seems to me that they approached her, not the other way around.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually didn't consider the Felicia Day thing, because I honestly have no idea who she is and it didn't occur to me.

She's a good woman and a patriot, even if the country/religion/philosophy is more than a little on the wacky side.

Patriotism isn't inherently positive.

nor is it inherently negative. It simply is what it is.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually didn't consider the Felicia Day thing, because I honestly have no idea who she is and it didn't occur to me.

She's a good woman and a patriot, even if the country/religion/philosophy is more than a little on the wacky side.

Patriotism isn't inherently positive.

I think Tallis is an idealist.  She's one of those people who is loyal to what the Qun is supposed to be rather than what it is.  

Does her idealism blind her to the horrors and hypocrisies of the Qun?  Or worse, is she willing overlook those horrors and hypocrisies in order to pursue those ideals? 

Tallis is an ideal character to explore issues like these in Dragon Age, and as such is eminently worthy of both a webseries and a prominent role in the franchise's future.

Modifié par General User, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:24 .

[OmegaXI]

Sorry can't feel sorry for the Qunari and their "The Qunari's Burden" mindset they have for the rest of Thedas. Besides the way they treat their mages is horrid.

[naledgeborn]

General User wrote...

I think Tallis is an idealist.  She's one of those people who is loyal to what the Qun is supposed to be rather than what it is.  

Does her idealism blind her to the horrors and hypocrisies of the Qun?  Or worse, is she willing overlook those horrors and hypocrisies in order to pursue those ideals? 

Tallis is an ideal character to explore issues like these in Dragon Age, and as such is eminently worthy of both a webseries and a prominent role in the franchise's future.

She called mages animals. Tallis is not ok in my book. Qun or no Qun.

[Xilizhra]

OmegaXI wrote...

Sorry can't feel sorry for the Qunari and their "The Qunari's Burden" mindset they have for the rest of Thedas. Besides the way they treat their mages is horrid.

What's irksome is that you can never, ever mention the Saarebas thing to her.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Sorry can't feel sorry for the Qunari and their "The Qunari's Burden" mindset they have for the rest of Thedas. Besides the way they treat their mages is horrid.

What's irksome is that you can never, ever mention the Saarebas thing to her.

That's because your MageHawke is railroaded into wanting to be 'chained' like that in the near future; why else let the Qunari assassin/enforcer get away with what is essentially a NOC-list?

[TEWR]

naledgeborn wrote...

General User wrote...

I think Tallis is an idealist.  She's one of those people who is loyal to what the Qun is supposed to be rather than what it is.  

Does her idealism blind her to the horrors and hypocrisies of the Qun?  Or worse, is she willing overlook those horrors and hypocrisies in order to pursue those ideals? 

Tallis is an ideal character to explore issues like these in Dragon Age, and as such is eminently worthy of both a webseries and a prominent role in the franchise's future.

She called mages animals. Tallis is not ok in my book. Qun or no Qun.

Redemption takes place prior to MotA, so her time with the Elven First may have changed her outlook on mages considering she has no qualms with being around Anders, Merrill, Bethany, or Mage Hawke.

Or Bioware really sucks at making classes count in their games beyond "Here's what happens during combat!"

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Sorry can't feel sorry for the Qunari and their "The Qunari's Burden" mindset they have for the rest of Thedas. Besides the way they treat their mages is horrid.

What's irksome is that you can never, ever mention the Saarebas thing to her.

What's irksome to me is that you can't take the scroll away from Tallis at the end and give it to, umm... I don't know... LELIANA!

There are four people on our side who I'd trust with the real "Heart" and one of them is Leliana.  And she was there!  Wasn't Leliana there to investigate Duke Prosper's dealings with a Qunari defector?  I kept waiting for her to make an appearance at the end.  I was disappointed when she didn't.

[lobi]

Hawk has only met Leiliana twice, both times for about 5 mins. Stop metagaming.
Tallis admits the Qunari have issues, but the Qunari are not the Qun.

Modifié par lobi, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:46 .

[General User]

lobi wrote...

Hawk has only met Leiliana twice, both times for about 5 mins. Stop metagaming.

Both times she was a direct agent of the Divine.  If you could pick anyone to give the "Heart" to who would you pick?

Modifié par General User, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:48 .

[PantheraOnca]

General User wrote...
 a direct agent of the Divine. 

not one of those

[Maconbar]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I have nothing against such web series and other spin-offs, as there is nothing inherently wrong with showing things from another perspective. I do, however, despise the complete lack of player agency on the matter in MotA, and the almost complete lack thereof in Act II (why can't a diplomat or joker side with Petrice?).

The worst thing about MotA is that most people play it after ousting the Qunari and becoming the Champion, at which point it's a safe assumption that most Hawkes would be opposed to aiding the horned future invaders of Thedas, but he just does.

As to why Tallis is given her own web series, that is indeed obvious: geek "celebrity" Felicia Day.

The Hawke's that are opposed to aiding the Qunari didn't buy the DLC.

[lobi]

Maconbar wrote...
The Hawke's that are opposed to aiding the Qunari didn't buy the DLC.

It's all part of cunning plan Patrice and I are working on during our clandestine meetings at the Sappho's daughters clubhouse.

[blothulfur]

No, but they should for we are what must be.