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[Bayz]

Herr Uhl wrote...
You were talking in terms of inheriting a caste. And all the three are political leaders.

Ok so there is just one Arishok. Got it now.

Do We know they are not inherited? Do we know anything about their selection at all?

[Herr Uhl]

Bayz wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
You were talking in terms of inheriting a caste. And all the three are political leaders.

Ok so there is just one Arishok. Got it now.

Do We know they are not inherited? Do we know anything about their selection at all?

The tamassran priesthood raise all children. At the age of 12 they are tested and thus get assigned their role in life.

[blothulfur]

They had descended to a bestial and incoherent state Sylvianus, as many of the Vashoth do when not held in check by the hard truths of the Qun. Thus they needed to be cleansed so that the bas would not be harmed or make the mistake of judging us by their example.

Modifié par blothulfur, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Bayz]

Forgot they were taken from their families so they wouldn't know who is a son of whom.

Ok you were right not a caste system, cheers for explaining.

blothulfur wrote...

They had descended to a bestial and
incoherent state Sylvianus, as many of the Vashoth do when not held in
check by the hard truths of the Qun. Thus they needed to be cleansed so
that the bas would not be harmed or make the mistake of judging us by
their example.

Get away from my lawn you grey horned gorilla!! *loads shotgun*

Modifié par Bayz, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Herr Uhl]

Bayz wrote...

Forgot they were taken from their families so they wouldn't know who is a son of whom. Ok you were right not a caste system, cheers for explaining.

They know who is the son of whom. They're actually very detailed about that, with the whole breeding thing.

The names that the Tamassran use is pretty much a string of genetical data.

[Bayz]

But they don't use said genetical data as a basis to see which roles goes to whom?

[Herr Uhl]

Bayz wrote...

But they don't use said genetical data as a basis to see which roles goes to whom?

It is the middle ages, they know about breeding, but nothing beyond basic mendelian stuff.

[blothulfur]

No that is decided through observation, games and testing of the child by the tamassran.

[EmperorSahlertz]

They do use a remarkable soldier "gene" and assign him to breed with a female Qunari, in the hopes they would create remarkable warriors from their union.

[The dead fish]

blothulfur wrote...

They had descended to a bestial and incoherent state Sylvianus, as many of the Vashoth do when not held in check by the hard truths of the Qun. Thus they needed to be cleansed so that the bas would not be harmed or make the mistake of judging us by their example.

Lol. I imagine that the incoherent state is to sell themself as mercenaries, or to be free, without the Qun.

They were out of your land, and would be inconsistent and bestial away from Par Vollen. They weren't a threat, until as well, The Arishok has decided to kill them

[Bayz]

blothulfur wrote...

No that is decided through observation, games and testing of the child by the tamassran.

Really? The roles the fathers had do not influence the roles the children are assigned?

I wasn't referring to Mendelian stuff...more the statement above.

One last question, the father's copulate by other designated by the Ariqun if I am not mistaken again, are they bred within people of diferent no-castes? People from the Warrior Group can be mixed with people from the Mercants for example?

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They do use a remarkable soldier
"gene" and assign him to breed with a female Qunari, in the hopes they
would create remarkable warriors from their union.

But the female comes from which group? Soldier too or can be other? Did you use Soldier as example or it is only soldier group the ones with allowance to reproduce?

Modifié par Bayz, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:58 .

[Herr Uhl]

Bayz wrote...

One last question, the father's copulate by other designated by the Ariqun if I am not mistaken again, are they bred within people of diferent no-castes? People from the Warrior Group can be mixed with people from the Mercants for example?

It would be hard to breed a male with a male, so yes. They also add in genes from other groups as to avoid inbreeding.

[Bayz]

Well it was stated somewhere apparently that they take females as soldiers now...don't ask me where as I did not stated it.

Do we have sauce in that they take people from other groups and that they do not use the roles assigned to their parents as a way to say which role the kiddo will be assigned?

[blothulfur]

Breeding which also falls under the ambit of the Tamassran is a tricky affair, even though a child may come from the finest stock of the antaam it is his own abilities that are judged not expectations. He may demonstrate the keen questing mind of the Ashkaari or the curious initiative of the Ashaad, these abilities will not be wasted because of inheritance.

We waste nothing.

Modifié par blothulfur, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[The dead fish]

blothulfur wrote...

No that is decided through observation, games and testing of the child by the tamassran.

Still not a choice, arbitrary.

I want to be a soldier,   I become a farmer because I am better in this area, because at 12, I was tested. And If I hate to be a farmer ? Too bad. Deal with it.

At 12, you aren't at all the same as when you have 20 years or else.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:01 .

[Bayz]

blothulfur wrote...

Breeding which also falls under the ambit of the Tamassran is a tricky affair, even though a child may come from the finest stock of the antaam it is his own abilities that are judged not expectations. He may demonstrate the keen questing mind of the Ashkaari or the curious initiative of the Ashaad, these abilities will not be wasted because of inheritance.

We waste nothing.

Sauce?

[blothulfur]

What does food have to do with this discussion?

[Raging Nug]

"Sauce" is a colloquialism for "Source", essentially a request for citation.

[blothulfur]

Ah thank you Raging Nug I have not yet mastered this tongue. I am the source, an aged Ashkaari of Par Vollen who has long advocated the Qun to the bas.

[The dead fish]

So this system has already a major fault, which approximates most of the thesis, that everyone is born specifically for something and can not become something else thanks to its environment, its intellectual thought, its evolution through the ages, its determination and strength, growing up.

No, at 12, a child, we determine his fate, we know what he could be, and what he couldn't be.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think David Gaider mentioned something about a child born from an illicit love affair (and thus would not have any breeding pedigree) would be given the same opportunity as any qunari, which implies one's heritage is not the main decision is deciding one's role.

[blothulfur]

No Sylvianus a child may excel in his role through his ambition to any station, why waste natural talent on chasing selfish desires when one can excel in a suited task and serve the greater good and therefore help the Qunari take the next step on the path to enlightenment. Once again this is superior to the illogical feudal slavery of Thedas where no tests are undertaken and only blood and an ancestors deeds decide ones role.

Modifié par blothulfur, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[The dead fish]

blothulfur wrote...

No Sylvianus a child may excel in his role through his ambition to any station, why waste natural talent on chasing selfish desires when one can excel in a suited task and serve the greater good and therefore help the Qunari take the next step on the path to enlightenment. Once again this is superior to the illogical feudal slavery of Thedas where no tests are undertaken and only blood and an ancestors deeds decide ones role.

Fair enough.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:25 .

[Raging Nug]

Well, let's toss something into the mix. If everyone has a natural talent that doesn't benefit the Qun, what becomes of the society? The difficulty then becomes that there's a (possibly fatal) contrast between the proficiencies of the populace and the requirements of the city/society/civilization.

Food for bas.

[blothulfur]

If a role is needed then it shall be made, as stated before we waste nothing. The role of the Saarebas was much different before the need for them became clear in the wars against the beast empire, the Qun challenges its adherents to adapt and overcome all challenges through the study of what must be.