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[Augustei]

In the Dragon Age: Origins DLC Wardens Keep; We discover that Levi Drydan is a descendant of Sophia Dryden... Who had a claim to the Ferelden throne and since the Theirin line was and is still unbroken it can be assumed that she had theirin blood / was part of the Theirin family - The Royal family of Ferelden. Does that mean that Levi Dryden being a descendant of someone who had a claim to the throne through blood means also has a claim to the Ferelden throne and could actually become King after Alistair / Anora?

I mean it is distant, but there are a fair few loyalist nobles like Eamon & Teagan for example that respect and wish to uphold the Theirin bloodline as rulers of Ferelden.. Even though Levi and his siblings claim is quite distant its not unheard of for someone to claim the throne through a distant bloodline (Like Robert Baratheon in A Song of Ice and Fire - A series that influenced Dragon Age =D)

[Heidenreich]

The Dryden's were not related to the Therins. Sophia Dryden was the Warden-Commander in Ferelden during a time when the Therin on the throne was a cruel tyrant. She and the wardens staged a coup to try and dethrown him and put a entirely different Therin on the throne.

It failed.

[RagingCyclone]

Even if there was a distant relationship between the families, Sophia's failed coup resulted not only in the expulsion of the wardens, but also the stripping of lands and titles from the Dryden family. As such Levi and his brothers have no claim since they were basically commoners for centuries. Where Alistair has a direct claim to the throne even as a bastard son, the Dryden's essentially have no claim.

[TheRevanchist]

Heidenreich wrote...

The Dryden's were not related to the Therins. Sophia Dryden was the Warden-Commander in Ferelden during a time when the Therin on the throne was a cruel tyrant. She and the wardens staged a coup to try and dethrown him and put a entirely different Therin on the throne.

It failed.

Ah...that is not quite true. She was actually a noble fighting for her claim to the throne. When she lost and Arland took the throne. She was banished to the Grey Wardens as punishment. Once she became Commander she insisted that she continue to remove him and used Grey Warden resources to continue to force the issue. Thus costing the Grey Wardens the strong position they needed to fight the Blight once it finally came.

[Merela]

Nothing is said about Sophia being related with the Theirin line, only that she was an Arlessa and "young Arlan's rival for the throne of Ferelden". Though it's totally possible she was the cousin of Arland, or the member of a minor branch of the Theirin line - it would be surprising if each Theirin monarch since Calenhad's son had fathered only one child per generation - the heir and the spare anyone? Or even bastards...

Now, does it make Levi a potential heir...? I don't know, but why not? Doesn't the Council elect the King, or something? If he and his family get enough support from the nobles, everything is possible. King Levi Dryden. Sounds good to me. XD

(And don't mention Robert "I want all the Targs dead" Baratheon, who apparently totally forgot that his own grandmother was the daughter of Aegon V Targaryen. Good ol' stupid Robert. )

Modifié par Merela, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:58 .

[lobi]

Cool story Levi, now about that discount.......
(I want do do another run just to let Sophia go now so she messes with Alistair)

Modifié par lobi, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:57 .

[GSSAGE7]

Has every monarch of Fereldan been a Therin? I recall the human noble origin suggesting that Bryce could've been king instead of Cailan, and it was only Loghain that made shifted the votes to Cailan.

[TheRevanchist]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Has every monarch of Fereldan been a Therin? I recall the human noble origin suggesting that Bryce could've been king instead of Cailan, and it was only Loghain that made shifted the votes to Cailan.

Every King has been of Therin blood yes. And Bryce could have never been King realisticly. That was mainly said as a compliment to his personality and his level headedness. Aside from that Bryce said he would never accept such an honor, thus adding to the "Oh he totaly deserves it" compliments.

[lobi]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Has every monarch of Fereldan been a Therin? I recall the human noble origin suggesting that Bryce could've been king instead of Cailan, and it was only Loghain that made shifted the votes to Cailan.

All questions answered. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Cousland_Family_History Couslands and Drydens were co-conspiritors. King Calenhad united barbaric Tribes defeating the Couslands and independents forming Fereldon into a country ruled by Therin bloodline.

Modifié par lobi, 23 octobre 2011 - 03:28 .

[RagingCyclone]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Has every monarch of Fereldan been a Therin? I recall the human noble origin suggesting that Bryce could've been king instead of Cailan, and it was only Loghain that made shifted the votes to Cailan.

That was made on the assumption that Bryce could have been king if Maric had been killed in the war with Orlais and thus no more Therins to claim the throne.

[Augustei]

Merela wrote...

Nothing is said about Sophia being related with the Theirin line, only that she was an Arlessa and "young Arlan's rival for the throne of Ferelden". Though it's totally possible she was the cousin of Arland, or the member of a minor branch of the Theirin line - it would be surprising if each Theirin monarch since Calenhad's son had fathered only one child per generation - the heir and the spare anyone? Or even bastards...

Now, does it make Levi a potential heir...? I don't know, but why not? Doesn't the Council elect the King, or something? If he and his family get enough support from the nobles, everything is possible. King Levi Dryden. Sounds good to me. XD

(And don't mention Robert "I want all the Targs dead" Baratheon, who apparently totally forgot that his own grandmother was the daughter of Aegon V Targaryen. Good ol' stupid Robert. )

I think Sophia (well the demon possessing her) actually refers to Arland as "Cousin Arland" doesn't she? But since she was considered a possible cantidate for the throne she would have to be a Theirin would she not?

[In Exile]

The whole "Last Theirin" line was a little silly anyway, since someone who had royal blood in their line could just take the throne & name.

[SkittlesKat96]

Heidenreich wrote...

The Dryden's were not related to the Therins. Sophia Dryden was the Warden-Commander in Ferelden during a time when the Therin on the throne was a cruel tyrant. She and the wardens staged a coup to try and dethrown him and put a entirely different Therin on the throne.

It failed.

I don't know much about Dragon Age lore (I've never really had the time to read the wiki or codex) and I haven't played Soldiers Peak since it came out, did this happen before the Grey Wardens had the rule of not interfering with politics?

[TheRevanchist]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

The Dryden's were not related to the Therins. Sophia Dryden was the Warden-Commander in Ferelden during a time when the Therin on the throne was a cruel tyrant. She and the wardens staged a coup to try and dethrown him and put a entirely different Therin on the throne.

It failed.

I don't know much about Dragon Age lore (I've never really had the time to read the wiki or codex) and I haven't played Soldiers Peak since it came out, did this happen before the Grey Wardens had the rule of not interfering with politics?

The Grey Warden's have always had that rule. See my post in response to his. Many of the Warden's abandoned her when she decided to enact this plan.

[KJandrew]

In Exile wrote...

The whole "Last Theirin" line was a little silly anyway, since someone who had royal blood in their line could just take the throne & name.

Yeah it urked me slightly that Cailan was the only legitimate child of Maric, who in turn was the legimate child of Moria, who in turn was the only legitimate child of Brandel. I mean of hundreds of years of rule, surely there will be some minor branch of Therin or at least some cousins out ther who could have taken the throne other than a Bastard Grey Warden. Unless in Eamon's eyes, being dissallowed to take titles twice somehow cancel each other out and give Alistair a claim to the throne.

[TheRevanchist]

it does seem strange...as Calenhad only had one son as well. Also, how is it they always seem to have sons except for Moria? Shes the only know Queen of Ferelden so far that was of Therin blood.

[RagingCyclone]

which always beg the question are we for sure Anora was the problem she and Cailan had no children? Therin's seem to have a fertility problem in the bloodline.

[KJandrew]

RagingCyclone wrote...

which always beg the question are we for sure Anora was the problem she and Cailan had no children? Therin's seem to have a fertility problem in the bloodline.

I thought we were sure it was Calian, seeing as he's been sleeping around yet still has no children. It's just kind of the time period/cultre thing to blame the woman. 

[Merela]

It makes me wonder about who would have inherited Ferelden's crown if Caillan had dumped Anora for marrying Celene as he was planning. Since Celene is apparently older than Anora, and/or Cailan was shooting blank, then who would have been designated as the heir? A Fereldan or an Orlaisian?

And even if Celene and Cailan had had a child, would it had inheritated both titles and crowns? If yes, in my book, it would have been the perfect, smooth way to bring Ferelden back in the bosom of Orlais.

[Augustei]

kylecouch wrote...

it does seem strange...as Calenhad only had one son as well. Also, how is it they always seem to have sons except for Moria? Shes the only know Queen of Ferelden so far that was of Therin blood.

Actually I think there was one other wasn't there? The one who wrote the codex about the bannorn

[WhiteKnyght]

Too bad Levi doesn't refer to Alistair as "Cousin Al"

That'd be funny.

[TheRevanchist]

its also a shame the devs refuse to comment on Anora's fertility. Because if she is...then taint or not the future of Ferelden succession is totaly f***ed

Modifié par kylecouch, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:26 .

[Augustei]

kylecouch wrote...

its also a shame the devs refuse to comment on Anora's fertility. Because if she is...then taint or not the future of Ferelden succession is totaly f***ed

But there are people that have theirin blood like Levi, even if it is distant.. It will probably get the attention of some of the nobility wanting to preserve the bloodline like Eamon, Teagan and maybe Fergus (since its said they are loyalists to Calenhad's decendents)

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 24 octobre 2011 - 06:46 .

[Quething]

kylecouch wrote...

its also a shame the devs refuse to comment on Anora's fertility. Because if she is...then taint or not the future of Ferelden succession is totaly f***ed

It might be anyway. If you put Anora alone on the throne she never remarries, which makes her fertility moot. (Well, at least that's what the epilogue slides say, though apparently those are just rumors now.)

[Big I]

kylecouch wrote...

its also a shame the devs refuse to comment on Anora's fertility. Because if she is...then taint or not the future of Ferelden succession is totaly f***ed

Not if they make Alistair's OGB king of Ferelden.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:35 .