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[Carmen_Willow]

I've played a lot of DA 2, and my first romance was a friendmance with Anders. I was the typical, "I love you so much sweetie, anything you say, sure you want me to distract the Grand Cleric? Why not, you'd never involve me in anything hurtful, 'cause you love me, right?..." kind of OP.  Needless to say, I was so angry at the end, I executed him.

Then I romanced Fenris. A lot. 

The I did another friendmance with Anders, but let him live.

After numerous Fenris romances, I decided I wanted to rivalmance Anders.

Here's the thing:  I got to Act 3, and I literally got a lump in my throat as I was playing.  As I completed more and more quests, the feeling of despair grew. I stopped to analyze why this was so; after all, it's only a game. Right?

Well, I think that watching Anders slide slowly over the edge and into the abyss cuts a little to close to the bone. His deterioration is like watching someone you love get eaten up by drug addiction, or by cancer, or by Alzheimer's disease, or anything like that.  It's slow, it's gradual, and it's unstoppable. It's great writing, I guess, but if you've been through anything like it IRL, it's just a little too real. 

The thing that bothered me the most was when he was so excited about planting the bomb; he was all ramped up about Justice finally having its way.  I thought to myself, Even if I let him live, the guy I fell in love with in Act 1 is dead.  I don't know who this guy is anymore!  That was not fun. That happens way too much in real life to be fun.  I am at the point in the story where we are barely speaking to one another. I would say that the relationship is on life support. If it were real life, we'd be living in the same house but sleeping in separate beds trying to figure out who was going to bring up moving out first.

When you rivalmance Fenris it's different:  You may be fighting, but you're still fighting with the guy you met in Act 1 who is doing some painful growing.  You're still in a viable relationship.  Doesn't feel that way  with Anders to me. Feels like he's on the way out, in more ways than one.

I may not be able to finish this game. Same thing happens to me in the last act of Madam Butterfly.  It's too painful. As beautiful as the suicide aria is, I just can't hear it because I'm crying too hard.

So, I kept the save where I can choose to go forward with Anders or send him away and hope that Fenris shows back up.  I may just have to go back there.

[Aggie Punbot]

It's okay. I can roleplay a Hawke that will romance him twice as much in your stead.

[Carmen_Willow]

LOL! That's good.

[cihimi]

Ew. He's dirty and smells really bad, like rotting garbage.

[Quething]

I do believe Anders was, in fact, written from the experience of a writer living through a loved one's mental illness.

But yeah, I can't romance the guy with any Hawke I consider sane or want a healthy, happy future for. Friendmance or Rivalmance. Guy's a trainwreck. And here I used to think a Morrigan romance had a rough ending...

[Xilizhra]

I don't know; I think friendmance works if you want to be glorious revolutionary leaders.

[Carmen_Willow]

Yeah, I didn't get the same vibe with friendmance. It was all, "Oh, he called me sweetheart!" And on the second run through it was, "Viva la revolucion!"

Rivalmance is just a whole different thing!

[Gervaise]

I haven't been able to romance him at all - probably for the same reasons you give. First run through I was struggling to understand why I would want to continue after him nearly killing Ella, the rivers of blood speech and then him actually saying to me that "Justice doesn't approve". Subsequent run throughs I knew where it was headed. There is no way that I could ever condone that bomb.

I have personally experienced paranoid delusions leading to mental breakdown so this is probably why I shy away from his romance - it is all too close to home. It would be different if you could actually do something about separating him from Justice, apart from executing him, or your romanced character succeeded in getting him to change his course and not set off the bomb.

Writing my own fantasy stories and playing fantasy games is one of my ways of staying sane. I don't expect the story to have a "happy ending". I loved Planescape Torment and the first run through on Origins just blew me away (I hadn't done the Dark ritual). There is just something about the Anders romance which makes me automatically put up a barrier.

[Knight of Dane]

I romanced him once, friend romance, i don't plan on ever doing so again, though i had considered it once.

I roleplayed a Female Mage who cared deeply for him and agreed with him 100%. I haven't played that character through any of the new DLC's yet and i may not use it to import in a DA2 expansion or DA3.
Perhaps i will feel differently, i just felt like no matter what you do it's always tradegy.

[esper]

Funny thing is that I have reached the point where I can't romance anyone, but Anders. (Sorry Isabella I guess you will just never be romanced by any of my Hawkes.)
Yes Act 3 Anders I different from act 1, Anders, but so are my Hawke's.
For me it is Fenris that raises some red flags. I like his character, I can't explain it, but there is something in the way that Fenris mixes alchohol + violence + leaving Hawke + plus being mage hating and all my Hawke are mages that does that I just can't romance him anymore. And I know that Fenris isn't an alcholic, it just raises some warnings flag. And in the one romance I did I felt that Fenris would always hate a vital part of my Hawke and it just felt unsatisfying.

[maxernst]

Honestly, I can't romance Anders OR Fenris, because they're too much alike. Bitter, angry, obsessive people don't appeal to me.

[Knight of Dane]

maxernst wrote...

obsessive.

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[Quinnzel]

I troll romanced him (and Fenris, though he was a lot less amusing to break up with) once, and only once with my BeardHawke.
His 'OMG, you used me!' response was one of the funniest things I've seen in DA2.
Afterwards, I went right back to friendmancing Merrill (much to Anders chagrin I would guess!)

[maxernst]

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

obsessive.

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Aveline and Varric aren't.  Admittedly, all the romanceables DA2 are (which is part of my issue with the game), but at least Isabela's obsession with sex (or at least talking about it) doesn't completely overwhelm her common sense.

Modifié par maxernst, 24 octobre 2011 - 05:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Quething wrote...

I do believe Anders was, in fact, written from the experience of a writer living through a loved one's mental illness.

But yeah, I can't romance the guy with any Hawke I consider sane or want a healthy, happy future for. Friendmance or Rivalmance. Guy's a trainwreck. And here I used to think a Morrigan romance had a rough ending...

This.

I only romance him with my doomed to blow their heads off Hawkes now. Everyone else stays far the hell away.

[Knight of Dane]

maxernst wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

obsessive.

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Aveline and Varric aren't.  Admittedly, all the romanceables DA2 are (which is part of my issue with the game), but at least Isabela's obsession with sex (or at least talking about it) doesn't completely overwhelm her common sense.

Aveline is obsessed with protecting people and Varric is with himself

[CuriousArtemis]

I think for all of the romances, the story stops just before things start to solidify between the couple.

In Anders' romance, I get the sense that Hawke is a stabilizing force in his life. Without Hawke, I fear that Justice will overtake Anders. But so far, Hawke has been the only one who can hold Justice back. Anders post-disaster is a desperate, broken soul; I think Hawke's re-acceptance of him makes him realize he's not as vile as he thinks he is (Anders thinks of himself as an abomination). I'm in the middle of my first Anders romance though so can't comment on it too much.

With Fenris, he doesn't fully accept Hawke as a lover until the middle of Act 3 (depending on when you do Alone), and really, he doesn't admit that he needs Hawke until the final scene in the Gallows. Fenris prejudice against mages makes sense, but he loves Hawke despite that hatred. Hawke will never pressure Fenris to give up his hatred because Fenris has been through too much. But I do think that, with time, Fenris will start to heal, with Hawke's help, and Hawke will be living proof for him that not all mages are corrupt (if you play a Hawke mage).

[Gervaise]

Just put in for Fenris here that I have taken him through as a mage friendship romance (which took some doing since at the end of Act 1 we were on the rival path) and also as just a mage friend. On the latter he admits that Hawke is his only true friend and wants to stay with her as such and I seem to recall does make reference to the irony that she is a mage. On the former he acknowledges that Hawke is a good mage and just makes the proviso that there are many mages out there who aren't like Hawke who he is still afraid of and Hawke should be too. However, there is no suggestion that there is some part of Hawke that he will always hate because she/he is a mage. (not on the friendship path anyway). Quite early on in the story he admits that there are probably good mages out there who don't abuse their power, he just hasn't met any. You have to admit, they're pretty thin on the ground in Kirkwall
And in Legacy he refers to Malcolm Hawke (a mage) as a wise man, in MoA he actually says to Anders "Not all mages are evil but I know one who is very annoying" (which is a step up on his usual conversation with Anders - neither tends to come out well as a rule), and if you take him through with Bethany (and leave Tallis) he has a very civilised, friendly conversation with her about fashion. Fenris' prejudices against magic have a basis in reason and experience but he does respond positively to mages who deserve his trust.

[ReallyRue]

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

obsessive.

Allcharactersarethat.jpg

Aveline and Varric aren't.  Admittedly, all the romanceables DA2 are (which is part of my issue with the game), but at least Isabela's obsession with sex (or at least talking about it) doesn't completely overwhelm her common sense.

Aveline is obsessed with protecting people and Varric is with himself

Nah, with making everything a story.

[Pris81]

Sometimes I'm affraid of posting in these topics, same than in the
Anders thread, because you people (Carmen, Esper, Motomoto, Gervaise, etc. and
obviously all the people in the Anders thread) write a whole lot of
interesting things that I'm unable to elaborate outside the messy
corners of my mind. Maybe the fact of being a native spanish-speaker
makes things even more difficult, but well, it's a compliment anyway. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Quething wrote...

I do believe Anders was, in fact, written from the experience of a writer living through a loved one's mental illness.

But yeah, I can't romance the guy with any Hawke I consider sane or want a healthy, happy future for. Friendmance or Rivalmance. Guy's a trainwreck. And here I used to think a Morrigan romance had a rough ending...

Same feeling here. Well, maybe now it comes when Jennifer Brades Hepler pops up and says we're both wrong but it's quite a common feeling.

Anyway, as said before, friendmance works if you play a revolutionary mage Hawke, sane or not. As for health and happiness... well, in my first playthrough I was broken at the end, but after things settled in my head then my cannon changed from a desperate Hawke who has no choice than supporting Anders for love to a shocked Hawke who wouldn't have allowed the whole chantry thing but, once it's done, she goes like "f*** it, we're going to change the world and we'll change it together". It's not happy, but it fits the character a lot.

As for rivalmance differences between Fenris' and Anders' obsessions, I'll have an oppinion when I finish my renegade templar Fenris-rivalmance playthrough... but I won't rivalmance Anders. Not a matter of principles, just that I had enough with youtortur... I mean youtube.

Obviously, these are the words of a drama addict, in both fiction and RL, and should be taken as so.

Edit - To those who want a healthy-ending romance with a male character (and it counts me too, even if only for a change), Bioware owes us a romanceable Nathaniel. Yes, this is awkwardly offtopic, but dammit, I couldn't keep this to myself!

Modifié par Pris81, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:01 .

[MG800]

ReallyRue wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

maxernst wrote...

obsessive.

Allcharactersarethat.jpg

Aveline and Varric aren't.  Admittedly, all the romanceables DA2 are (which is part of my issue with the game), but at least Isabela's obsession with sex (or at least talking about it) doesn't completely overwhelm her common sense.

Aveline is obsessed with protecting people and Varric is with himself

Nah, with making everything a story.

And with lying. I love this guy for being a nicer version of Loki with automatic gun. 

[CheeseEnchilada]

Rivalmancing Anders and making him side with the templars was the most emotional moment in the game for me, and the most horrifying. The sheer despair in his voice and hints at suicide during the final talk at the gallows made me reload and kill him, if only to give him some peace.

A friendmance isn't too bad because you don't see Vengeance as often. Rivalmancing him really shows just how little of Anders is left by the end, and personally it hits too close to home. I skip through his dialog with Varric about his mother's pillow on every playthrough. Kudos to Jennifer Brades Hepler for making me feel so strongly.

[Braindeer]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't know; I think friendmance works if you want to be glorious revolutionary leaders.

I agree. That's how I played it with my canon character. Who cares about a happy ending, long-term? We started a war! That's commitment, people. 

Also my canon Hawke has her fair share of crazy, and a serious case of blindness where Anders is concerned. I never wanted to play it with a noble hero who's always right - my Hawke's a little unstable, and Anders was just the push she needed to cross over into unhinged.

Modifié par Braindeer, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:45 .

[Reno_Tarshil]

I rivalmanced Anders to full and he still wouldnt side with the templars. I feel like I wasted a whole run

[SolidBeast]

I believe that was fixed in the 1.03 patch? Do you have it?