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[Reno_Tarshil]

I do have patch 1.03. Do you mean fixed as in wont happen or will happen?

[Fylimar]

I liked the friendmance with Anders very much. Since I agree with him in many things regarding the treatment of mages and can't bring myself to either side with Meredith in act 3 or the church in act 2 (it's always Qunari and mages for me), I couldn't bring Anders to rivalty. And yeah - he works well with revolutionary Hawke ;-).
Since my mage character was very upset with Elthina not doing anything, she could understand Anders better in the end. I talked to Elthina before Anders told me to do it and she was totally ignoring the fact, that the mages and templars are nearly at each others throat, said something about Orsino and Meredith worikng their problems out... after many years of figthing. That Grand Cleric was either very dumb or very lazy... or both. And her handling with Sister Petrice and the Qunari .... or rather her not handling anything... was even worse. My opinion is, that Elthina could have stopped a lot of bloodshed in that city, if she would have stepped in. So my Hawke was pretty upset with the church and Elthina. She would never have planted a bomb, but eventually stormed the church to strangle the Grand Cleric (if that would have been better... no idea... but so worth it).

[Gervaise]

Oh God, the pillow! I wasn't even in a romance and that one got to me. It still does, every time - I suppose knowing what's coming makes it even worse. You see, I really want to be a good friend to Anders but he (the writers) makes it so damn difficult.

[SolidBeast]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I do have patch 1.03. Do you mean fixed as in wont happen or will happen?

I think it was supposed to make it so Anders sides with the templars if you're at 100% rivalry. That said, it's been a while since I've read that, so I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's it.

[Reno_Tarshil]

I guess not letting Anders sneak into the Chantry must have thrown it off, he was at full rivalry during Act 2.

I guess this what I guess for choosing to roleplay at super pro templar.

[SolidBeast]

He should be at full rivalry after refusing to talk to Elthina. I got +30 rivalry for that.

Speaking of which, he was such a bastard in that scene. I wish Hawke could have argued with him further.

[LT123]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I guess not letting Anders sneak into the Chantry must have thrown it off, he was at full rivalry during Act 2.

I guess this what I guess for choosing to roleplay at super pro templar.

If you patched your game after the Justice quest appeared in your journal in Act III, you'll have to go back to a save before that point for the ending to work properly.

[ladyofdragons]

Pris81 wrote...
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Anyway, as said before, friendmance works if you play a revolutionary mage Hawke, sane or not. As for health and happiness... well, in my first playthrough I was broken at the end, but after things settled in my head then my cannon changed from a desperate Hawke who has no choice than supporting Anders for love to a shocked Hawke who wouldn't have allowed the whole chantry thing but, once it's done, she goes like "f*** it, we're going to change the world and we'll change it together". It's not happy, but it fits the character a lot.
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This is similar how it was with my Anders romancing mage Fem!Hawke. First it was just physical interest, then it was a challenge to meet since he put her off, then she found herself falling for him since she's a fixer, a problem solver and a philanthropist of sorts. That, and she really did start to believe that they could make some changes for mages together...  

If I could have, my friend-mance would have gone rivalmance at the start of the Justice quest. When she started questioning him and he played the quilt card... she was like "WHUT!?" >=[ She spent most of Act 3 angry at him for various reasons, called him a murderer and did almost take his life... But in the end she couldn't. And she rationalized it because she felt if he was to become a martyr she should not be the one to do it, that he had likely saved 5 times as many lives during his time in Kirkwall which should at least earn him mercy, and that atonement through action was a better course for their cause. In my head canon, their epilogue together involves a very rough time while they work past the issue (mostly Hawke coming to terms with it, plus laying new ground rules) and come out stronger for it, including recognizing that they utterly failed at working as a TEAM. (My Rowen was formulating a plan as well, to use her position and influence to start parley with the Grand Cleric, which got BONED by Anders of course because she didn't tell him about it. Whoops.)

In my Rowen Hawke's canon, she knows she can't "fix" him, but she wants to save him, from himself even if she must, and potentially keep people safe from him. From a self preservation standpoint this is foolhardy, but again this Hawke is stubborn when it comes to challenges. And love is a powerful motivator. Between Jennifer Hepler's comments and Anders' own codex we can be pretty certain that the up moments of the relationship are genuinely and irrevocably amazing, serving to balance the downs, though we see very little of it in the game itself. (His dialogue bits in MotA helps a little though, oh goodness. )  And maybe, just maybe, there's some hope of diminishing Vengence's presence by diminishing Anders' anger, or redirecting it into less detrimental emotions, passion, drive, solidarity... elements more in line with Justice's true nature. Possibly fruitless, but one could argue that false hope is better than none.

So I think what really helps with the romancing Anders is having your Hawke's motivations well defined in your head, which can put different perspectives on the events as they unfold and lead to people having different experiences with the same in-game events. I think it's quite brilliant that Bioware's made that even possible. 

I intend to rivalmance him next as a pro-Circle warrior, but let him slowly convert that Hawke so she sides with the mages in the end. I will side with the templars first just to.... see it, and then reload play it out pro-mages. 

Modifié par ladyofdragons, 24 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .

[Reno_Tarshil]

LT123 wrote...

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I guess not letting Anders sneak into the Chantry must have thrown it off, he was at full rivalry during Act 2.

I guess this what I guess for choosing to roleplay at super pro templar.

If you patched your game after the Justice quest appeared in your journal in Act III, you'll have to go back to a save before that point for the ending to work properly.

My game was patched way before I started that playthrough.

[artsangel]

I always thought there was more to it than just getting him to full rivalry. That you had to make sure you always picked responses that told him he'd done the wrong thing (which weren't always the fist icon, sometimes it was the diplomatic response) to get him to change his mind.

[jaybee93]

I understand. I feel the same way, though with me it's the things I notice right away now, rather than later. Like telling me he'll just hurt me if we get together, and when I say I'm a big girl, shouting, "NO." Before I know he's descending into madness, that just sounds like emotional bullying. If I try to romance him now I feel like I'm messing with a really screwed up human being, and it isn't sexy at all. I'd rather just be his friend.

[esper]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

LT123 wrote...

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I guess not letting Anders sneak into the Chantry must have thrown it off, he was at full rivalry during Act 2.

I guess this what I guess for choosing to roleplay at super pro templar.

If you patched your game after the Justice quest appeared in your journal in Act III, you'll have to go back to a save before that point for the ending to work properly.

My game was patched way before I started that playthrough.

You have to let him sneak in, yes.

[Carmen_Willow]

Pris81 wrote...{snipped for brevity}

Edit - To those who want a healthy-ending romance with a male character (and it counts me too, even if only for a change), Bioware owes us a romanceable Nathaniel. Yes, this is awkwardly offtopic, but dammit, I couldn't keep this to myself!

Absolutely! Give us Nathaniel  Just don't  "Anderize" him or torches and pitchforks will come out!

[Knight of Dane]

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

[Pris81]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

Neither do I, counting that they're both grey wardens, but we had Alistair ending in DAO and no Nate ending.

[jlb524]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Alistair must have sex with Morrigan in order for both him and the Warden to survive.

I guess that didn't make for a happy ending in some people's eyes.

*insert 'happy ending' joke*

[mesmerizedish]

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Alistair must have sex with Morrigan in order for both him and the Warden to survive.

I guess that didn't make for a happy ending in some people's eyes.

*insert 'happy ending' joke*

[inserts]I think a happy ending is required for the ritual to work.[/inserts]

[raziel1980]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Alistair must have sex with Morrigan in order for both him and the Warden to survive.

I guess that didn't make for a happy ending in some people's eyes.

*insert 'happy ending' joke*

[inserts]I think a happy ending is required for the ritual to work.[/inserts]

*thought about saying that exact samething but decided not too*  It made for a happy ending in my eyes( since I'm a guy) because I got to see a naked Morrigan in those playthroughs

[maxernst]

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Alistair must have sex with Morrigan in order for both him and the Warden to survive.

I guess that didn't make for a happy ending in some people's eyes.

*insert 'happy ending' joke*

I think it was more the fact that people distrusted Morrigan and thought that the OGB might do something terrible. 

[Knight of Dane]

Ah, i see. I would have thought most women coudl come over the barrier of jealousy if it meant the life of their love.

[esper]

Huh, I consider the Alistar ending pretty much happy. The sex thing didn't bother me. When it is do it or die, choosing do it was pretty easy.

[SurelyForth]

My enthusiasm for Andersmancing has not dimmed, although I still avoid rivaling him like the plague. I mean...he is broken, but he's also got all these other good characteristics and there are moments where he's just a man, funny and devoted and driven but not to the exclusion of everything else. Act 3, though, is heartbreaking. Even for my Hawke who supports his cause completely, the sense of pressure from Meredith and Orsino's desperation and Anders being shady and pulling away...it's hard but I find it almost too compelling.

[tmp7704]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

[inserts]I think a happy ending is required for the ritual to work.[/inserts]

It totally wasn't happy tears he was shedding during the orgasm.

Especially not during the third one.