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[ReallyRue]

I still romance him. It's an interesting romance, and he does have moments where I think "this is the Anders I like" (especially in Legacy and MotA). The rest of the time he's frustrating and depressing, but still an interesting romance, and definitely emotional.

Both the friendship and rivalmance have their good and bad points, I think.

[Carmen_Willow]

maxernst wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I can't see that Ending with Nate is more healthy than ending with Alistair..

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Alistair must have sex with Morrigan in order for both him and the Warden to survive.

I guess that didn't make for a happy ending in some people's eyes.

*insert 'happy ending' joke*

I think it was more the fact that people distrusted Morrigan and thought that the OGB might do something terrible. 

Alistiar is my go to guy in DAO.  Ritual sex didn't make me jealous, and I always figured that whatever OGB turned out to be, we would handle it.  Or Awesome OP in DA 3 would!

[Carmen_Willow]

I did finish the Rivalmance. I was totally upset when Varrick says that Anders stayed with me -- particularly since I executed him in the courtyard there. Kinda creepy! Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

[Knight of Dane]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
 Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

Your daddy.

[Carmen_Willow]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
 Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

Your daddy.

Another ghost!   I was hoping my good friend Fenris would tag along now that the abomination is dead!

[maxernst]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I did finish the Rivalmance. I was totally upset when Varrick says that Anders stayed with me -- particularly since I executed him in the courtyard there. Kinda creepy! Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

Maybe your Hawke is like Anthony Hopkins in Psycho and just brings Anders corpse along with him.  Or maybe Justince re-animates him for you.

You were probably inspired by all the dead bodies lying around in Fenris' mansion.

Modifié par maxernst, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:47 .

[Cobra's_back]

I agree. I never romanced him.
I really didn’t care for the lines Anders says “I'll just hurt you if we get together”, and Hawke will say “I'm a big girl”. This spells trouble. He is mentally ill and needs help. Romance seems more taxing. Personally, my Hawke would have liked to get him out of Kirkwall. A stable person romancing a mentally ill person isn’t interesting in my opinion. To me it seems selfish and abusive to romance this character. I really thought if Hawke was a good friend, Hawke would get Anders out of Kirkwall and moved to Rivain or the Tevinter Imperium.
In the end, my Hawke kills him to take him out of his misery.

[ReallyRue]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I did finish the Rivalmance. I was totally upset when Varrick says that Anders stayed with me -- particularly since I executed him in the courtyard there. Kinda creepy! Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

How about your dear siblings? Assuming one survives.

Hawke: "Oh well, my boyfriend's dead, by my hands, but at least I have my brother. I love you, brother."
Carver: "Go away, I hate you."

Aww!

[Carmen_Willow]

maxernst wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I did finish the Rivalmance. I was totally upset when Varrick says that Anders stayed with me -- particularly since I executed him in the courtyard there. Kinda creepy! Anyone know who is rally supposed to stay with you when you kill your boyfriend?

Maybe your Hawke is like Anthony Hopkins in Psycho and just brings Anders corpse along with him.  Or maybe Justince re-animates him for you.

You were probably inspired by all the dead bodies lying around in Fenris' mansion.

LOL!  Or that really old movie where the woman drags her dead husband around in a mobile coffin!  Can't think of the title. Or Great Expectations!  Where's my white dress!

The one good thing that I did get out of this playthrough was that I got to hear all the pro-Templar dialogue, got to try and turn my boyfriend in for terrorist activity and a couple of quests I have never seen before.  Even so, I did not annul the Circle.  I've only done that on one playthrough I(It made me sick) and didn't need to do it here.  There's no way I'm going to slaughter innocents "just to be sure." 

[Carmen_Willow]

ghostbusters101 wrote...



I agree. I never romanced him.
I really didn’t care for the lines Anders says “I'll just hurt you if we get together”, and Hawke will say “I'm a big girl”. This spells trouble. He is mentally ill and needs help. Romance seems more taxing. Personally, my Hawke would have liked to get him out of Kirkwall. A stable person romancing a mentally ill person isn’t interesting in my opinion. To me it seems selfish and abusive to romance this character. I really thought if Hawke was a good friend, Hawke would get Anders out of Kirkwall and moved to Rivain or the Tevinter Imperium.
In the end, my Hawke kills him to take him out of his misery.

Like I said at the start, this just cuts too close to the bone for me, particularly if you've ever lost a loved one to a terminal illness either of mind or body. I won't be romancing him again any time soon.

[Gyrefalcon]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

*snip*

Here's the thing:  I got to Act 3, and I literally got a lump in my throat as I was playing.  As I completed more and more quests, the feeling of despair grew. I stopped to analyze why this was so; after all, it's only a game. Right?

Well, I think that watching Anders slide slowly over the edge and into the abyss cuts a little to close to the bone. His deterioration is like watching someone you love get eaten up by drug addiction, or by cancer, or by Alzheimer's disease, or anything like that.  It's slow, it's gradual, and it's unstoppable. It's great writing, I guess, but if you've been through anything like it IRL, it's just a little too real. 

The thing that bothered me the most was when he was so excited about planting the bomb; he was all ramped up about Justice finally having its way.  I thought to myself, Even if I let him live, the guy I fell in love with in Act 1 is dead.  I don't know who this guy is anymore!  That was not fun. That happens way too much in real life to be fun.  I am at the point in the story where we are barely speaking to one another. I would say that the relationship is on life support. If it were real life, we'd be living in the same house but sleeping in separate beds trying to figure out who was going to bring up moving out first.

I have to agree that the writing for DA2 is as compelling as a novel.  And I think it is because the characters are flawed people.  They are not perfect, and if you show them the error of their ways, they don't stop being that person!  Isabella will likely go off and steal ANOTHER object of value even though the last one nearly got everyone in the city killed!  It actually makes you think whether or not you want to keep some of your "friends".  How much is a friendship worth?  How many lives would you risk to keep someone you love from harm?  The game actually makes you think and does not try to say "this is absolutely right and this is absolutely wrong".  It is about hard choices as well has happy ones.  BUT!!  I have an answer to your plight!!


***Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers***

Yes, that's right.  Possibly the one spoiler that I haven't seen on here I will give you.  If you stick with Anders to the end.  Not only let him live, but choose to actually stay with him and help him start a revolution, he snaps back very close to the *true* old Anders!  With Justice appeased and Anders not in despair about having to take an action that will not only cost him his life but harm the person he cared about the most, he recovers.  He makes plans and promises and lights up like you would not believe. 

So go ahead and have your romance!  Just don't do it by halves or you will not have the happy ending that Dragon Age does not easily hand out.  I think you will like it.   

***End spoilers***

[Carmen_Willow]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

*snip*

Here's the thing:  I got to Act 3, and I literally got a lump in my throat as I was playing.  As I completed more and more quests, the feeling of despair grew. I stopped to analyze why this was so; after all, it's only a game. Right?

Well, I think that watching Anders slide slowly over the edge and into the abyss cuts a little to close to the bone. His deterioration is like watching someone you love get eaten up by drug addiction, or by cancer, or by Alzheimer's disease, or anything like that.  It's slow, it's gradual, and it's unstoppable. It's great writing, I guess, but if you've been through anything like it IRL, it's just a little too real. 

The thing that bothered me the most was when he was so excited about planting the bomb; he was all ramped up about Justice finally having its way.  I thought to myself, Even if I let him live, the guy I fell in love with in Act 1 is dead.  I don't know who this guy is anymore!  That was not fun. That happens way too much in real life to be fun.  I am at the point in the story where we are barely speaking to one another. I would say that the relationship is on life support. If it were real life, we'd be living in the same house but sleeping in separate beds trying to figure out who was going to bring up moving out first.

I have to agree that the writing for DA2 is as compelling as a novel.  And I think it is because the characters are flawed people.  They are not perfect, and if you show them the error of their ways, they don't stop being that person!  Isabella will likely go off and steal ANOTHER object of value even though the last one nearly got everyone in the city killed!  It actually makes you think whether or not you want to keep some of your "friends".  How much is a friendship worth?  How many lives would you risk to keep someone you love from harm?  The game actually makes you think and does not try to say "this is absolutely right and this is absolutely wrong".  It is about hard choices as well has happy ones.  BUT!!  I have an answer to your plight!!


***Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers***

Yes, that's right.  Possibly the one spoiler that I haven't seen on here I will give you.  If you stick with Anders to the end.  Not only let him live, but choose to actually stay with him and help him start a revolution, he snaps back very close to the *true* old Anders!  With Justice appeased and Anders not in despair about having to take an action that will not only cost him his life but harm the person he cared about the most, he recovers.  He makes plans and promises and lights up like you would not believe. 

So go ahead and have your romance!  Just don't do it by halves or you will not have the happy ending that Dragon Age does not easily hand out.  I think you will like it.   

***End spoilers***

Been there, let him live.  He thinks my letting him live means that I think what he did was right. He shows no remorse, he shows no regret.  In fact, he reminds me of someone suffering from bi-polar disorder who is cycling upward into mania again.

Since I believe what he did was wrong, this ending was totally unsatisfying.  He's still not the guy I thought he was.  I will not say that I would never do what he did because Fate has a way of making you eat the word NEVER; however, his choice was the very last choice I would have made. 

I know what a bomb in an urban area can do, I had acquaintances who went through it. They were in a building near the one a bomb went off in. People were hurt who were collateral damage. Bombs are very indiscriminate. I cannot support his method of slaying Elthina as a good one. So, no happy ending with Anders for me.  Just won't work.

I totally agree that the story was compelling precisely because the characters were so flawed, so conflicted, so imperfect. You really do have to shake your head and wonder why you're hanging with some of these people!

[Xilizhra]

I totally agree that the story was compelling precisely because the characters were so flawed, so conflicted, so imperfect. You really do have to shake your head and wonder why you're hanging with some of these people!

Personally, I never did. I love Merrill, Varric and Aveline are excellent friends, Anders is a stalwart comrade and the only person who shares my commitment to mage freedom, Isabela and Fenris I'm hoping to help change for the better, and Sebastian... well, yes, I do wonder about him sometimes.

[Jaulen]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Rivalmancing Anders and making him side with the templars was the most emotional moment in the game for me, and the most horrifying. The sheer despair in his voice and hints at suicide during the final talk at the gallows made me reload and kill him, if only to give him some peace.

A friendmance isn't too bad because you don't see Vengeance as often. Rivalmancing him really shows just how little of Anders is left by the end, and personally it hits too close to home. I skip through his dialog with Varric about his mother's pillow on every playthrough. Kudos to Jennifer Brades Hepler for making me feel so strongly.

^This

I have freindmanced and killed Anders, friendmanced and told him to get lost, and friendmanced and supported him to the very end to run off into a glorious certain death revolutionary sunset....

I have also rivalmanced him and killed him, rivalmanced him and told him to get lost (only to kill him), and then rivalmanced him and had him with me to support the Templars


First playthrough was friendmanced, i supported him 100% (after all sis and
dad were mages....and they had freedom and never went all abomination),
but then Hawke stabbed him in the back. i think I took 10 minutes to actually hit select on that action....and then I cried.

Even worse was the goodbye kiss on the rival path when you get him to support the Templars....OMFG....again a cryfest thinking that he's so tourtured that he's finally going to kill himself like he used to think about while being in the circle....he's just given up any hope of a future. he's just so bleak at that point. he realises...how long can he hold off against being consumed by Justice? like he says at that point he can feel Vengace scrabbling inside of him trying to get out.


But I get a different feeling between the friend and rival path. On friend path I get the feeling that you are supporting him and he happily gives in to Justice, and that he's no longer Ander, he's Janders. he's given himself up to the spirit and is very happy and willing to play that role.   On the rival path I get the feeling that he's much more willing to fight against Justice/Vengance (at least if you tell him he's wrong) and he remains Anders trying to keep J/V at bay.

To me he's much more tourtured as an individual along the rival path.

[Nyreen]

TS2Aggie wrote...

It's okay. I can roleplay a Hawke that will romance him twice as much in your stead.

Seconded. Anders has thousands of Hawkes to go around.

I believe Anders deserves Hawke more than anyone because he so desperately needs a support. Fenris is tortured too but not much that he can't shack up with Isabela later on.

Anders is so selfless, kind, and determined, and I for one wholeheartedly support his cause. If you read the codex it describes just how much Hawke means to him and his health, (for friendship romance, not sure of rivalry). Despite his betrayal of trust, he loves Hawke, and tells her/him so.

Modifié par Celestina, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:37 .

[ThePhoenixKing]

maxernst wrote...

Honestly, I can't romance Anders OR Fenris, because they're too much alike. Bitter, angry, obsessive people don't appeal to me.

Quoted for truth. The pillow talk involved with them must really suck.

Hawke: So, how was your day, sweetie?
Anders: I hate templars and used to be a likable character before someone at Bioware wanted the Wardens to become villains and the Chantry to blow up.
Fenris: I hate mages and was designed so my awesome voice actor and looks would try to make people ignore my paranoid and racists screeds.

Yeah, I just stick with Merrill.

[frostajulie]

This thread needs lots more pillow talk

[Catriana]

Celestina wrote...

I believe Anders deserves Hawke more than anyone because he so desperately needs a support. Fenris is tortured too but not much that he can't shack up with Isabela later on.

LOL what.

Fenris and Isabela do not have a 'relationship'. They have sex, that's it. They're not a couple, they have no feelings for each other. To say Anders deserves Hawke more because of something so completely meaningless....I just don't even....

Sex does not equate to romantic relationship, deep feelings, or whatever, and no one 'deserves' Hawke more or less than the other.

[ReiSilver]

Celestina wrote...
I believe Anders deserves Hawke more than anyone because he so desperately needs a support. Fenris is tortured too but not much that he can't shack up with Isabela later on.
 

Just going to address the bolded part because it rubs me the wrong way on so many levels. What you're saying is Anders 'deserves' Hawke because he's needy and a friend isn't enough support? Not only is a relationship where one partner is desperatly needy so not a way to describe an appealing or healthy relationship, it also sells Anders short. Romanced or not he'll still do what needs to be done for his cause. Romanced/friended/rivaled his mental stability is still in tatters by act 3 only to varying degrees depending on Hawke's relationship. He can still function without Hawke to hold his hand or give him non platonic support.

There is a needy quality to Anders but I don't think that's the sole appeal of the romance to it's fans and I don't think any of the LIs "Deserve" Hawke any more then the others.

[RPGmom28]

I romance him 90% of the time because I just miss his happy moments. Can't bring myself to kill him. The part of him that still loves kitties and heals people for free makes me a big old softie toward him.

[AnniLau]

ThePhoenixKing wrote...

Yeah, I just stick with Merrill.

The obsessed blood mage who, under certain circumstances, becomes responsible not just for the death of the Keeper, but her entire clan.

None of the LIs are without their flaws.

[VampOrchid]

You so need to try a friendmance with Seb! I am a hudge Anders fan, but I am now also loving seb!

[Nyreen]

Catriana wrote...

Celestina wrote...

I believe Anders deserves Hawke more than anyone because he so desperately needs a support. Fenris is tortured too but not much that he can't shack up with Isabela later on.

LOL what.

Fenris and Isabela do not have a 'relationship'. They have sex, that's it. They're not a couple, they have no feelings for each other. To say Anders deserves Hawke more because of something so completely meaningless....I just don't even....

Sex does not equate to romantic relationship, deep feelings, or whatever, and no one 'deserves' Hawke more or less than the other.

Considering I didn't even use the word 'relationship', I don't see why you're quoting it. However it's true that Fenris and Isabela will have a relationship if both are left to their own devices. When two people have sex on a regular basis, that's called a sexual relationship. Just because it's not deep and meaningful doesn't mean that f***-buddies isn't a form of a relationship.

Also, I said I believe he deserves it, not this is the canon fodder every fan must consume. Just as you're entitled to your denial, I'm entitled to my beliefs.

[ladyshamen]

RPGmom, I tend to feel the same way. He tried to do what he thought was right( with Justice), and it turned and bit him on the butt. How many people have experienced the same thing?

[Estelindis]

I feel a bit similar to the OP, though I've never really romanced Anders. I flirted with him in the first chapter of my first playthrough and intended to romance him for the whole game. However, when it came to the conversation where he tells Hawke he'll just hurt her and she'd be better off without him, I decided that I was going to play a sensible hero and listen when someone gave me a dire warning laden with foreshadowing. I thought: if I respect Anders enough to give him my heart, then I also respect him enough to believe that this is a genuine plea and not just some dishonest, roundabout way of making me boost his ego by saying "I love you enough that none of that will matter." Then I tried Sebastian but the actual flirt lines made me feel like a creeper so I dropped that. Fenris, my romance of last resort, ended up riding into the sunset with Hawke after Anders' final act of defiance. The trouble is, when I decided not to continue romancing Anders on that first playthrough, I assumed I'd be able to choose differently on subsequent playthroughs. But I cannot do it. I can't detach my knowledge of his actions in chapter three from my interaction with him in chapters one and two. It's a shame, but I don't feel there's anything I can do about it.