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[Plakto]

No. I never cheated. Cheating implies my femshep went in with the intention of finding someone new and moving on. She didn't. 1st playthough was supposed to be Kaiden loyal - I honestly had my femshep leave Virmie with the thought in her head that two years is a long time, and they would need ever more to get things back on tract again. Dying and coming back - its not easy.....We have reapers to fight and the romance was worth waiting for.

But then she met Thane.....

It wasn't supposed to happen but it did. I'm not going to take the easy out of "You yelled at me on Horizon! We are so though!!" No. My femsehp may be renegade, but she's a renegade who dosen't make excuses for who she is. She did it, and shes owing up to it - but it wasn't a "cheat", it was finding someone. And it's totally cool if Kaiden hates her fot it.

[D.Kain]

Saphra Deden wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I know that I wouldn't move on if I was in VS place. I also think that it was more than a few weeks.

It was like a month, tops.

How much time DO you need to understand that you love a person?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ryuzetsu wrote...

What do you think the "consequences" will entail?

At this point in the series, I'm not really expecting much more than a throwaway line or two.

[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote...

I know that I wouldn't move on if I was in VS place. I also think that it was more than a few weeks. And if it was Kaidan then he was on the ship longer than Ashley.

A few weeks actually sounds about right. It’s actually applied in the Horizon email that they were together only one night. And Kaidan being on the ship longer than Ashley has no bearings on a romantic relationship since Kaidan and Shepard’s relationship at the point of Ashley’s reassignment was strictly professional.

[JamieCOTC]

My token manShep cheated and then some. It wasn't that he was all that pissed off at Ash either, he understood what she had gone through. She just wasn't there and Kelly, Jack and Miranda were. ;P

After Horizon, my renegade femShep wanted to cheat and approached both Garrus and Thane, but go through w/ it. She wants to have a chance to kill Kaidan before making up w/ him.

My paragon femshep stayed loyal to Liara, though she spent a lot of time at the bar prior to LotSB.

[D.Kain]

Saphra Deden wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

How much time DO you need to understand that you love a person?

Longer than a month, that's for sure. I don't think you know what "Love" is. The attraction you feel for somebody when you first meet them and get together is not the same as the attraction you need to marry them and stay together for the rest of your life.

The attraction I need to feel in order to have the desire to sleep with someone is more about a persons personality than appearence. I also think that in military conditions ones people wouldn't mask themselves as something they are not, as opposed to real life, where people tend to do that.

[D.Kain]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What does this have to do with anything? The initial attraction to somebody is infatuation. "love", lasting love, needs time to develop. You need longer than a month.

You don't need longer than a month to start it, you just need to hold it for years afterwards.

[D.Kain]

Saphra Deden wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

You don't need longer than a month to start it, you just need to hold it for years afterwards.

Two entirely different feelings. The "love" you feel in the first (several) months is more akin to a "crush" than it is to lasting love. You are not in love with somebody you have only been dating for a month.

You can be. 

[D.Kain]

Saphra Deden wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

You can be. 

No, that only happens in cheap fiction.

Oh wait... well I guess you've got me there.

[jeweledleah]

I think 2 years is more then enough to to try and move on with your life.

I still don't consider moving on to be cheating. people get hurt sometimes, they feel betrayed, abandoned, etc. we all handle things differently. Shepard and ME1 LI are not exactlyi na relationship at the time of Horizon and even if you look at the e-mails, they are invitations to maybe try again, but they are phrased in a deliberately vague way, allowing players to interpret them through different lens.

however, if Shepard tries to rekindle relationship while keeping the ME2 one active? THAT would be cheating. and rekindling relationship with Liara in Shadowbroker then going through with ME2 LI anyways? also, most definitely cheating.

[Purre76]

What do you think the "consequences" will entail?

DLC after 9 months? Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Estelindis wrote...

teenparty wrote...

If anyone is unfaithful it's her. 

She had to deal with grieving Shepard's loss for two years.  Two minutes of dialogue on Horizon doesn't somehow annihilate all that she went through because of her feelings for Shepard.  I'd think that any Shepard who really, genuinely loved Ash in the first place wouldn't let such a small thing outweigh all that they'd been through together.  Relationships have ups and downs, after all.  Anyone who bails after the first down-moment was never really in it for the long term anyway.

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's been two years, they both moved on.

Those two years treated the two characters very differently, though.  The time when Shepard was clinically dead meant nothing to him; just a blank slate.  For Shepard, hardly any time has passed between Ilos and Horizon.  For him to be able to move on so easily is fairly cold.  Ash suffered through those two years.  If she gradually moved on over the course of that time, it was a healthy thing to do when confronted with Shepard's death.  It's not something she chose to do in the context of Shepard being alive.  To equate the two is not logically sound.

How insightful.

[Razith]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

teenparty wrote...

If anyone is unfaithful it's her. 

She had to deal with grieving Shepard's loss for two years.  Two minutes of dialogue on Horizon doesn't somehow annihilate all that she went through because of her feelings for Shepard.  I'd think that any Shepard who really, genuinely loved Ash in the first place wouldn't let such a small thing outweigh all that they'd been through together.  Relationships have ups and downs, after all.  Anyone who bails after the first down-moment was never really in it for the long term anyway.

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's been two years, they both moved on.

Those two years treated the two characters very differently, though.  The time when Shepard was clinically dead meant nothing to him; just a blank slate.  For Shepard, hardly any time has passed between Ilos and Horizon.  For him to be able to move on so easily is fairly cold.  Ash suffered through those two years.  If she gradually moved on over the course of that time, it was a healthy thing to do when confronted with Shepard's death.  It's not something she chose to do in the context of Shepard being alive.  To equate the two is not logically sound.

How insightful.

There's so many ways to look at the scenario, (which is why it probably comes up so often) that it becomes really interesting, especially when it changes Shep to Shep for reasons because everyone writes their own Shep's thoughts..  (My shep abridged - Ash = First Love/Crush, Tali = Real love once he learned that the feelings were there).  Cheating? Yep, Mistakes were made? Yep, Regret? Yep, in the manner of hurting one friend by loving another.

I'm excited to see what the 'consequences' are and would be kind of let down if they weren't going to just repeat a scene like in ME1 if you try for both VS/Liara.  But at the same time, I'm hoping they allow recovery of friendship not just "You slept with ______ die in a fire I'm not helping you save the universe."  Or VS/Liara "Shepard can I talk with you for a moment?"........Mission Failure.

Modifié par Razith, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:16 .

[diamondedge]

As for the consequences to cheating on ME romances... I don't know. Kaidan and Ashley seem like they would be more tolerant of this type of behaviour than Liara would be; assuming of course that you'd intend to pursue them further in ME3. Liara would probably still forgive you, but I imagine her having a harder time getting past it than the other two. While she has changed in LOTSB, I've seen her reactions on youtube to cheating.

Actually, I have to disagree.

It's Kaidan and Ashley who are all about "that night meant everything to me" and "how could you put me though that" while Liara only backfires if Shepard cheated on her but insists on bringing up the topic about them. Which is highly unreasonable thing to do and her reaction to it is understandable. Otherwise, she knowa that two years have passed between you and her, and she is aware that Shepard could very well hate her for giving him/her over to Cerberus.

Even in ME1, when I got to choose between her and the human LI, Liara was far more reasonable and even if you do not pick her, she shows considerable care and devotion to Shepard, without overstepping the bounds.

My Shepard - I - am still butthurt over Horizon and when it happened I gladly switched the previously romanced VS for ME2 characters, after which I deleted the save and romanced Liara. And never looked back since.

That is why I value companions like Garrus, Tali and Liara. I'd do anything for them and I value their loyalty above all else. My Shepard is a good person, but there are things in war you need to do out of necessity.

Basically, my reaction to it was: "You are with the Alliance - who - along with the Council - does it's very best to sit on their asses doing nothing or more; trying very hard to nullify what Shepard has accomplished - and dare accuse me of anything? Of treason even? Really? We were done at that point, really.

So really. Liara- forever faithful.

[CptData]

Never cheated on my ME LI and don't intend to do so. Maybe I'm going to have a playthrough without ME LI, in that case I am free to pick a new LI in ME2.

I will, however, move on if it's impossible to continue ME-LI in ME3. Will make me sad, but sometimes life is a sad thing.

// Edit

Don't wanna start another discussion about Horizon but:

- you can consider it as "break up" (ignoring the message of your former LI who tries fixing stuff) and move on.

- you can consider it as "break up" but don't pick a new LI in ME2 and go back to VS-LI in ME3

- you DON'T consider it as "break up" but pick a new ME2 LI (= cheating)

- you DON'T consider it as "break up" and don't pick a new ME2 LI.

'nuff said. I go for last option - it's no break up and I don't pick a new LI.

Modifié par CptData, 24 octobre 2011 - 08:05 .

[teenparty]

Estelindis wrote...

teenparty wrote...

If anyone is unfaithful it's her. 

She had to deal with grieving Shepard's loss for two years.  Two minutes of dialogue on Horizon doesn't somehow annihilate all that she went through because of her feelings for Shepard.  I'd think that any Shepard who really, genuinely loved Ash in the first place wouldn't let such a small thing outweigh all that they'd been through together.  Relationships have ups and downs, after all.  Anyone who bails after the first down-moment was never really in it for the long term anyway.

That's excatly the point. Only that it was Ashley who left, not Shepard.

[CptData]

teenparty wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

teenparty wrote...

If anyone is unfaithful it's her. 

She had to deal with grieving Shepard's loss for two years.  Two minutes of dialogue on Horizon doesn't somehow annihilate all that she went through because of her feelings for Shepard.  I'd think that any Shepard who really, genuinely loved Ash in the first place wouldn't let such a small thing outweigh all that they'd been through together.  Relationships have ups and downs, after all.  Anyone who bails after the first down-moment was never really in it for the long term anyway.

That's excatly the point. Only that it was Ashley who left, not Shepard.

Technically you can see Horizon as break up while the following message tries to fix it. At least it proves Ash is still caring for Shepard and opens a door for renewing that relationship.

Its up to the player what s/he does after Horizon & the message.

[teenparty]

CptData wrote...

teenparty wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

teenparty wrote...

If anyone is unfaithful it's her. 

She had to deal with grieving Shepard's loss for two years.  Two minutes of dialogue on Horizon doesn't somehow annihilate all that she went through because of her feelings for Shepard.  I'd think that any Shepard who really, genuinely loved Ash in the first place wouldn't let such a small thing outweigh all that they'd been through together.  Relationships have ups and downs, after all.  Anyone who bails after the first down-moment was never really in it for the long term anyway.

That's excatly the point. Only that it was Ashley who left, not Shepard.

Technically you can see Horizon as break up while the following message tries to fix it. At least it proves Ash is still caring for Shepard and opens a door for renewing that relationship.

Its up to the player what s/he does after Horizon & the message.

If she cared she would help me save the world. The last thing Shepard did before he died was to save her life and I'm still waiting for her to return the favour. Shepard doesn't even know that Ashley will return to him in ME3, he probably never expected to see her again.

[CptData]

Sure, I was kinda sad that the VS didn't get a DLC dealing with that issue like the LotSB but whatever. Maybe we're going to see what we want in ME3. I hope so at least. Others who now hate the VS because of his/her reaction on Virmire don't seem to have a deeper understanding of how ppl react and their emotions. Okay, Shepard acted odd, entirely OOC on Horizon (bad writing) but the VS reaction is fully understandable to me.

Wha'ever, different topic, different thread.

// fixed a grammar issue

Modifié par CptData, 24 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Aurora313]

CptData wrote...

Sure, I was kinda sad that the VS didn't get a DLC dealing with that issue like the LotSB but whatever. Maybe we're going to see what we want in ME3. I hope so at least. Others who now hate the VS because of his/her reaction on Virmire don't seem to have a deeper understanding of how ppl and their emotions. Okay, Shepard acted odd, entirely OOC on Horizon (bad writing) but the VS reaction is fully understandable to me.

Wha'ever, different topic, different thread.

Agreed. A VS DLC would have been awesome, but I never cheated on Ash. I didn't find the options appealing. I don't approve of Miranda's fat ass, or Jack's attitude. I am sad to say it, but I find the romances in ME2 weren't very appealing at all. I found no reason to cheat on her. Shepard (mine) fraked up. He didn't push hard enough to try and find Ash and with the kidnapping of the colonists, his focus had been split between her and going after the Collectors.

(sure it was crappy writing, but Shepard feels that it was still his fault.)

Modifié par Aurora313, 24 octobre 2011 - 01:30 .