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[Morroian]

Seagloom wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

From what I gather, the Onyx engine has already been developed and Avellone's tweet was referring to "what's next for Obsidian."

Onyx was the engine they used to develop Dungeon Siege III.

I'd question the worth of Onyx, can it be used for full party games, like the Dragon Age games just for example? Based on DS3 it looks not. Plus there's the fact that it had the same outdated conversation engine used in FO3, FNV and Oblivion. 

[Jonp382]

Morroian wrote...

Plus there's the fact that it had the same outdated conversation engine used in FO3, FNV and Oblivion.

It's been a while since I played F3 or FNV, but what's outdated about their conversation systems? I don't recall noticing any shortcomings compared to other games released in the past 5 years.

[naughty99]

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

I can sympathize with your point of vew, as Fallout New Vegas is one of my all time favorite games.

However, I imagine Bethesda will do an excellent job with this game and who knows, perhaps they will hire Obsidian to develop the next one.

[JeffZero]

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

[sympathyforsaren]

I think Denver would be interesting, as would the central part of the U.S.

With the Creation Engine, the detail will be incredible. I want V.A.T.S. to remain a mainstay.

Todd Howard > Obsidian

Modifié par sympathyforsaren, 25 octobre 2011 - 01:16 .

[DiebytheSword]

I feel Bethesda made a less buggy, but also less ambitious game. I look forward to a Fallout 4 at any rate.

[Hathur]

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

He's a heathen, pay him no mind 

Fallout NV was a great game... different from Fallout 3 in many ways (namely you had a LOT more freedom in Fallout NV. It was much closer akin to Fallout 1 & 2 actually in this regard) whereas 3 as very strict in what you could and could not do. The post-apocalyptic feel may have been a bit better in Fallout 3... and Fallout 3 was far less buggy (NV runs very well now with the recent patches)... but overall I think I enjoyed my time in Fallout NV more than Fallout 3.

The RPG mechanics in F: NV are much much better -- from dialogue to combat functionality. I loved it and sank a good many hours into it (both games actually and both are great... when patched....but I'd give the lead just a tiny smidge to F: NV)

For Fallout 4, I would however like the grittier post apocalyptic feel of Fallout 1,2 & 3 though... but with gameplay and dialogue mechanics tied more closely to F: NV and expanded upon even further.

Modifié par Hathur, 25 octobre 2011 - 01:20 .

[JeffZero]

Hathur wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

He's a heathen, pay him no mind 

Fallout NV was a great game... different from Fallout 3 in many ways (namely you had a LOT more freedom in Fallout NV. It was much closer akin to Fallout 1 & 2 actually in this regard) whereas 3 as very strict in what you could and could not do. The post-apocalyptic feel may have been a bit better in Fallout 3... and Fallout 3 was far less buggy (NV runs very well now with the recent patches)... but overall I think I enjoyed my time in Fallout NV more than Fallout 3.

The RPG mechanics in F: NV are much much better -- from dialogue to combat functionality. I loved it and sank a good many hours into it (both games actually and both are great... when patched....but I'd give the lead just a tiny smidge to F: NV)

Wow, Fallout 3 is considered strict? I'm just recently getting into the Bethesdasidian thing and it was my first purchase to that end. No wonder then that I consider it hugely open. If Fallout 3 is "strict" concerning what can and cannot be done in any sense of the word my proverbial jaw is fully agape at the thought of what is now considered "open".

I'd better get this New Vegas eventually. I'm getting Skyrim on launch though. 

[Morroian]

Jonp382 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Plus there's the fact that it had the same outdated conversation engine used in FO3, FNV and Oblivion.

It's been a while since I played F3 or FNV, but what's outdated about their conversation systems? I don't recall noticing any shortcomings compared to other games released in the past 5 years.

The way it zooms in when having a conversation to focus just on who you are talking to, IMHO its a cinematic equivalent which isn't needed. I understand Skyrim won't do it.

[DiebytheSword]

JeffZero wrote...

Hathur wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

He's a heathen, pay him no mind 

Fallout NV was a great game... different from Fallout 3 in many ways (namely you had a LOT more freedom in Fallout NV. It was much closer akin to Fallout 1 & 2 actually in this regard) whereas 3 as very strict in what you could and could not do. The post-apocalyptic feel may have been a bit better in Fallout 3... and Fallout 3 was far less buggy (NV runs very well now with the recent patches)... but overall I think I enjoyed my time in Fallout NV more than Fallout 3.

The RPG mechanics in F: NV are much much better -- from dialogue to combat functionality. I loved it and sank a good many hours into it (both games actually and both are great... when patched....but I'd give the lead just a tiny smidge to F: NV)

Wow, Fallout 3 is considered strict? I'm just recently getting into the Bethesdasidian thing and it was my first purchase to that end. No wonder then that I consider it hugely open. If Fallout 3 is "strict" concerning what can and cannot be done in any sense of the word my proverbial jaw is fully agape at the thought of what is now considered "open".

I'd better get this New Vegas eventually. I'm getting Skyrim on launch though. 

She's not joking.  Fallout 1, 2 and NV are very much more free form than Fallout 3.  Not that 3 was crazy off the mark, but you could literally have dozens of endings in Fallout NV, just based on how you play out your potential alliances and who you chose to screw over, where there are only a few in 3.

[Morroian]

JeffZero wrote...
I'd better get this New Vegas eventually. I'm getting Skyrim on launch though. 

Another vote for New Vegas here its my favorite game of the last couple of years.

[JeffZero]

DiebytheSword wrote...
She's not joking.  Fallout 1, 2 and NV are very much more free form than Fallout 3.  Not that 3 was crazy off the mark, but you could literally have dozens of endings in Fallout NV, just based on how you play out your potential alliances and who you chose to screw over, where there are only a few in 3.

That's pretty intense. Looking forward to the action.

[JeffZero]

Morroian wrote...

JeffZero wrote...
I'd better get this New Vegas eventually. I'm getting Skyrim on launch though. 

Another vote for New Vegas here its my favorite game of the last couple of years.

Noted. 

[Jonp382]

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

I definitely enjoyed it more than Fallout 3, but I think New Vegas fans tend to hate Fallout 3 for no better reason than to hate on something that was developed by another group of people. And thus overhype Fallout: New Vegas in comparison to Fallout 3. Really, I'm very picky and really enjoyed it. But again, I enjoyed Fallout: New Vegas more.

[addiction21]

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

I agree wholeheartedly with Scyphozoa. I liked FO3 but New Vegas was a Fallout game.

I dont care about what I want to see in a Fallout4. What I want would be Obsidian getting to make it and having the time and budget of the Elder Scrolls games.

[Jonp382]

Morroian wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Plus there's the fact that it had the same outdated conversation engine used in FO3, FNV and Oblivion.

It's been a while since I played F3 or FNV, but what's outdated about their conversation systems? I don't recall noticing any shortcomings compared to other games released in the past 5 years.

The way it zooms in when having a conversation to focus just on who you are talking to, IMHO its a cinematic equivalent which isn't needed. I understand Skyrim won't do it.

Oh, I definitely agree with that. I forgot that Skyrim had ridden of that zoom in and pause camera. Now that I realize that, that is too bad. I wonder how hard it would be to modify it? Not that I want to hijack this thread...

[DiebytheSword]

JeffZero wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...
She's not joking.  Fallout 1, 2 and NV are very much more free form than Fallout 3.  Not that 3 was crazy off the mark, but you could literally have dozens of endings in Fallout NV, just based on how you play out your potential alliances and who you chose to screw over, where there are only a few in 3.

That's pretty intense. Looking forward to the action.

On the downside, NV is buggfrigged.  Bad.  Wait for a GOTY edition with all the patches.  I had to start over thanks to losing a companion in an explosion to a clipping bug.  Got it for the PC after that, my wife's love of our X-Box be damned.

[sympathyforsaren]

JeffZero wrote...

Hathur wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I want Obsidian to make this one. After FONV, I never want anyone but Obsidian developing the Fallout IP.

It was that good, eh? I still haven't gotten around to it but I enjoyed Fallout 3.

He's a heathen, pay him no mind 

Fallout NV was a great game... different from Fallout 3 in many ways (namely you had a LOT more freedom in Fallout NV. It was much closer akin to Fallout 1 & 2 actually in this regard) whereas 3 as very strict in what you could and could not do. The post-apocalyptic feel may have been a bit better in Fallout 3... and Fallout 3 was far less buggy (NV runs very well now with the recent patches)... but overall I think I enjoyed my time in Fallout NV more than Fallout 3.

The RPG mechanics in F: NV are much much better -- from dialogue to combat functionality. I loved it and sank a good many hours into it (both games actually and both are great... when patched....but I'd give the lead just a tiny smidge to F: NV)

Wow, Fallout 3 is considered strict? I'm just recently getting into the Bethesdasidian thing and it was my first purchase to that end. No wonder then that I consider it hugely open. If Fallout 3 is "strict" concerning what can and cannot be done in any sense of the word my proverbial jaw is fully agape at the thought of what is now considered "open".

I'd better get this New Vegas eventually. I'm getting Skyrim on launch though. 

Well, The Elder Scrolls takes what makes Fallout 3 & NV feel open....shatters it into pieces...and expands to a point it does literally cause your jaw to pop open. TES is MUCH bigger than New Vegas and FO3 map wise and 'dungeon' wise....Skyrim is massively more larger and has 7 times the content of FO3. Literally, it has been confirmed.

I think integration of the Fallout series to the massive open world environment has been successful. Bethesda introduced V.A.T.S. and it is now here to stay (hopefully), and Obsidian reaffirmed the importance of factions and how they intertwined.

[addiction21]

DiebytheSword wrote...

[On the downside, NV is buggfrigged.  Bad.  Wait for a GOTY edition with all the patches.  I had to start over thanks to losing a companion in an explosion to a clipping bug.  Got it for the PC after that, my wife's love of our X-Box be damned.

I got it day one for PC. I just shelved it for 8 months untill there were a few DLC's and patches out. Its perfect now for me on PC.

I have heard some horror stories about the PS3 version but not the XBOX

All and all thats nothing suprising for Obsidian..

[naughty99]

I think it would be fun to play a Fallout game set in another country; however, there is something about the quaint Cold War 1950's US vibe that feels essential to the franchise.

Could you imagine the radio station playing French music, for example?

My guess is that the next location will be a relatively large city in the US and it must be a city with a certain type of iconic character. Also, I think it will need to be different from what we have seen before.

For example:
New York
San Francisco
Seattle
Chicago
Los Angeles/Southern California
New Orleans
Miami

I don't think we will ever see, for example, a Fallout:Des Moines or a Fallout:Montreal.

I think a southern setting is somewhat less likely as we have already explored this in Point Lookout to some extent.

[JeffZero]

sympathyforsaren wrote...
Well, The Elder Scrolls takes what makes Fallout 3 & NV feel open....shatters it into pieces...and expands to a point it does literally cause your jaw to pop open. TES is MUCH bigger than New Vegas and FO3 map wise and 'dungeon' wise....Skyrim is massively more larger and has 7 times the content of FO3. Literally, it has been confirmed.

I think integration of the Fallout series to the massive open world environment has been successful. Bethesda introduced V.A.T.S. and it is now here to stay (hopefully), and Obsidian reaffirmed the importance of factions and how they intertwined.

Sev... sev... seven... times...?!

That is amazing. Ly. Wow. Amazingly. Um, wow.

[JeffZero]

DiebytheSword wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...
She's not joking.  Fallout 1, 2 and NV are very much more free form than Fallout 3.  Not that 3 was crazy off the mark, but you could literally have dozens of endings in Fallout NV, just based on how you play out your potential alliances and who you chose to screw over, where there are only a few in 3.

That's pretty intense. Looking forward to the action.

On the downside, NV is buggfrigged.  Bad.  Wait for a GOTY edition with all the patches.  I had to start over thanks to losing a companion in an explosion to a clipping bug.  Got it for the PC after that, my wife's love of our X-Box be damned.

The 360 can download all the patches, right?

[DiebytheSword]

JeffZero wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...
She's not joking.  Fallout 1, 2 and NV are very much more free form than Fallout 3.  Not that 3 was crazy off the mark, but you could literally have dozens of endings in Fallout NV, just based on how you play out your potential alliances and who you chose to screw over, where there are only a few in 3.

That's pretty intense. Looking forward to the action.

On the downside, NV is buggfrigged.  Bad.  Wait for a GOTY edition with all the patches.  I had to start over thanks to losing a companion in an explosion to a clipping bug.  Got it for the PC after that, my wife's love of our X-Box be damned.

The 360 can download all the patches, right?

Yeah but patches usually come with the DLC as well as the standard game, and some of the DLC patches fix problems.