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[LobselVith8]

Huntress wrote...

note: Dwarves rather have control on the lyrium trade because they are the ones who farm it, sorry if I break the bubble!

The dwarves are also the only ones who can deal with raw lyrium because it can harm regular people, and even cause psychological damage to them, while it will basically kill a mage. Since surface dwarves lose their resistance and the dwarves living underground are firmly entrenched in tradition, I don't see what the Chantry would hope to gain from an attack on the Chantry. The Epilogue states (if Brother Burkel is aided, or if Dagna's research leads to an independent Circle of Orzammar) that the Divine contemplates an Exalted March, but I think it's unlikely because I see little chance of the Chantry led forces defeating Orzammar.

The Chantry is entirely dependent on Orzammar to provide them with lyrium for the Circle mages and their templars. Would the Chantry be foolish enough to risk attacking the only source of lyrium in all of Thedas, and the only people who can process lyrium into an ore that doesn't harm or kill non-dwarves? Would the Chantry ever think that they could succeed in breaching Orzammar?

[Huntress]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Huntress wrote...

note: Dwarves rather have control on the lyrium trade because they are the ones who farm it, sorry if I break the bubble!

The dwarves are also the only ones who can deal with raw lyrium because it can harm regular people, and even cause psychological damage to them, while it will basically kill a mage. Since surface dwarves lose their resistance and the dwarves living underground are firmly entrenched in tradition, I don't see what the Chantry would hope to gain from an attack on the Chantry. The Epilogue states (if Brother Burkel is aided, or if Dagna's research leads to an independent Circle of Orzammar) that the Divine contemplates an Exalted March, but I think it's unlikely because I see little chance of the Chantry led forces defeating Orzammar.

The Chantry is entirely dependent on Orzammar to provide them with lyrium for the Circle mages and their templars. Would the Chantry be foolish enough to risk attacking the only source of lyrium in all of Thedas, and the only people who can process lyrium into an ore that doesn't harm or kill non-dwarves? Would the Chantry ever think that they could succeed in breaching Orzammar?

yes they would, I don't see how you come up with such a question!!, of course they would attack!
anything that interfere with the mages situation ( under templars boots) or Lyrium ( keep control over templars) is an act of war by divine right.:lol::lol:
My warden read the Divine Right and testament is all written there by a "bard" that can make spell agaisnt blood magic.. :innocent:
forgot the name right now.. rats-_-.

think carefully the chantry would never allow mages to go free and they'll try to stop any trade of lyrium if they are not in charge of it, so YES they will try to take over orzammar even more if the Chantry has no foot hold on it.

Remember the head of the chantry is in Orlais. What do you think is going to happen?
the chantry tell the dwarves: fine keep the mages, give me more lyrium? dought it.

Modifié par Huntress, 25 octobre 2011 - 07:06 .

[Soltan Heatwave]

As I am thinking about the two games and the events in them, I think that both the Mages and Templars would listen to a mage warden before they would listen to a mage Hawke, at least in my games. My mage warden always asked for independence for the Fereldan Circle. During the events in DAO he saved the lives of a large number of templars, especially a certain imprisoned templar who was transferred to Kirkwall. Since this is a full scale rebellion I would also believe that other clandestine organizations, especially mages, would get involved in some way. If not directly then indirectly by logistics, information, and clandestine bases of some sort.
Also this brings up a totally different point now that I am thinking about it. This would be a perfect time for the Qunari to attack since during the last war the thing that defeated them was the circle mages. Information that the Chantry and mages are in conflict would be a great time for the Qunari to offer aid to the templars against the mages and attack after the mages were defeated or if their offer was rejected attack anyway since there is so much confusion such an attack would probably be successful.

Either way I still think that a mage warden would be preferable then Hawke in starting negotiations between the Circle and templars, that is if the seekers can find either one of them.

Modifié par Soltan Heatwave, 25 octobre 2011 - 11:16 .

[KotorEffect3]

Eh I never side with the templars anyway

[TheCreeper]

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

[KotorEffect3]

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

[TheCreeper]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

Yeah Seb was probably the most reasonable person during that scene.

[Everwarden]

TJPags wrote...
I mean, every Circle in Thedas successfuly rebelled?  That seems somewhat far fetched to me.

Amusingly, it's done to establish a war in Dragon Age 3.

The obvious problem is that if the mages broke free, the Templars aren't a match for them. Mages are far less effective in an enclosed space (a prison, really) than they will be in an open field of battle. The fact that mages managed to overpower the Templars when they were at a disadvantage really diffuses any tension, because they clearly have the upper hand.

Perhaps the Templars will turn to the Qun and the Qunari will join in? Extremely far-fetched, for a way the odds could be evened. 

[lobi]

I would call a meeting and have Merrill explain things. What could possibly go wrong?

[Beerfish]

Huntress wrote...


Some templars and mages might listen to hawke, but you'll kidding yourself if you think all of them will accept Hawke, both sides have strong views of how bad is going to end, some mages will use blood magic to stop hawke from hanging them to the templars, many knows what to expect if they ever go back to the circle and some of the templars will try to kill you because they can't make tranquill any mage they don't like or because some mages are too smart for their own good and should be made tranquil by force.

Yes, this is exactly what both sides tried throughout the game and utterly failed while the Champion beat them both down.  Hawke then went on to beat down the two leaders of each side and then just walk away.  The fact that the chantry sent wht seems like a top ranking person in Cassandra to ask for Hawke indicates they realize his and his groups power.  Any rational leader of mages or templars will at teh very least try and stay out of his.her way and more than likely try and curry favour.  Hawke will have a lot of say in this matter and it's been established that those that try and bump him off end up dead.

Templars will want to go back and have absolute power over mages, and the mages want the templars to pay for how much wrong they had done.

Not necessarily, Hawke might be able to moderate some reforms that are palatable to both sides and prevent a war.  Not all templars are the into having absolute power and not all mages hate templars and think the circle is bad.  As is usual with confrontations both sides want to make it look like you are either for them or agaisnt them when in reality there is often a large group in between that doesn't see the issue as black and white.

[Beerfish]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

[Huntress]

lobi wrote...

I would call a meeting and have Merrill explain things. What could possibly go wrong?

hahahaha!

Merill: i think..
"the party wait anxiously for Merril imput on the matter at hand."

Merril:I think...
"Everything is still, everyone is paralyzed by the idea of Merril  coming with the solution to save thedas from this problem"

Merril: can we go now to the forest? am missing a green butterfly, they probably like Lilies ( giggles) silly me picking up roses all the time! I should try a different flower! right?
the party: /FACEPALM and Thedas is consume in a turmoil of WAR and Destruction.:lol:

[Huntress]

Beerfish wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

WOW lol! So by you're way of thinking:

If a templar rape a mage, they all should be hanged ( male and female) after been castrated( male)?
I like you! I really really like you! Bioware hire this person please!

[LobselVith8]

lobi wrote...

I would call a meeting and have Merrill explain things. What could possibly go wrong?

I wish Merrill explained things when Sister Nightingale showed up. Maybe Merrill would have pointed her to the direction of the dictator who was causing unrest among the civilians, nobles, mages, and even templars...

Beerfish wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

Meredith makes it clear that she's ordering the execution of hundreds of men, women, and children simply to appease the hypothetical mob she believes will demand the death of the mages. Meredith also knows that Anders is an apostate, with no official ties to the Chantry of Kirkwall.

As for the "legion" of mage antagonists, you could make the same claim about the templars who committed torture against a child of the Dalish, the templars who were willing to kill alongside the rapist Ser Kerras, Ser Alrik and his templar companions who had no issue with Alrik threatening to make a child mage tranquil and rape her, the group of templars willing to murder Hawke based on their suspicion alone about what happened to Ser Kerras, the templars who are raping Alain, and the death squad of Meredith's who apparently killed civilians.

Considering Kirkwall was in unrest because of the dictator who was illegally ruling it for three years and preventing the election of a new Viscount, maybe the problem was Meredith: the Knight-Commander who civilians and nobles will demand gone if Hawke opposes her publicly to the point where some nobles will ally with Hawke against her, who has caused unrest among the mages and even her own templars, and has a death squad murdering people.

[dragonflight288]

I think at the point where DA 2 starts (when Cassandra is bringing Varic for interrogation) that it's important to remember that that takes places three years after Hawke defeats Meredith. The war has been going on for quite some time now. The templar have fled the Chantry to hunt mages (I'm reasonably sure some stayed) and all the Circles have rebelled (and I'm reasonably sure some loyalists stuck to the Chantry as well.)

If one side had a huge advantage over the other that would end the war, it would be over already. The mages have the advantage in power, blood magic (for those who use it) and anything magic can offer them. Their disadvantages are again blood magic (because of popular belief behind it,) the Chantry having a millennium of religious teachings about magic being a curse (I recognize Gregoire also calls it a gift, but the average peasant in Thedas most likely will not share his views,) abominations and the idiotic mage so power-hungry or desperate that they resort to dark and forbidden arts which proves the Chantry's view on mages.

The templars have the advantage of military training, numbers, the ability to negate spells and drain mana. Their disadvantages are their lyrium addiction, which then ties into their numbers. The Chantry controls the lyrium trade with the dwarves and since they left the Chantry they have lost their source of lyrium. Odd smugglers will not be able to get thousands of templars all the lyrium they need. Also, the Chantry recruited for the most part people who have a religious zeal, not a moral backbone, so the templars would believe that anything and everything they do to hunt mages would be approved by the Maker. Raping and pillaging across Thedas. Looting and killing indiscriminately so they can get the funds needed to buy lyrium, if they don't outright steal it from the Chantry stores. When you have thousands of templars, all addicted to lyrium, most of them religious zealots, the common man and woman will suffer considerably because of templars.

The longer the war goes, the worse off the templars will be.

I see the game is at the point Cassandra brought in Varic, is the moment when things are about to go bad for everyone.

[cihimi]

TheCreeper wrote...

So Templar ending, Cassandra wants hawke because they would be someone the templars would listen to, but would they? I mean with mages it makes sense because  even a non-mage hawke would be seen as someone who stood up to the templars for them. But the Templars are zealots who defied the Chantry (The ones who everyone thought had an iron grip on them) to (for the most part) fight the mages on their own terms, what exactly did hawke do that would make them listen to him/her more than the Chantry. Hawke was a person who helped the Templars enact one right of annulment, then killed a (Admitedly insane) Knight commander. I could see Kirkwall templars listening to them, but the rest of them? I can't see them really paying much attention to hawke.

You are wrong. Not all the Templars are blind zealots. With Meredith dead, Knight Captain Cullen will lead (unless Hawke rules Kirkwall). Cullen is not unreasonable. He and Hawke will see eye to eye and the rest of the Order will follow.

[TheCreeper]

Meredith was not the highest ranking templar in the order (Knight-Vigilant is the highest) so Meredith was (and thus now Cullen) only leader of the templars in kirkwall. And Cullen and others may be reasonable but most templars are recuirted for their religious zealotry.

[Huntress]

dragonflight288 wrote...

The templars have the advantage of military training, numbers, the ability to negate spells and drain mana. Their disadvantages are their lyrium addiction, which then ties into their numbers. The Chantry controls the lyrium trade with the dwarves and since they left the Chantry they have lost their source of lyrium. Odd smugglers will not be able to get thousands of templars all the lyrium they need. Also, the Chantry recruited for the most part people who have a religious zeal, not a moral backbone, so the templars would believe that anything and everything they do to hunt mages would be approved by the Maker. Raping and pillaging across Thedas. Looting and killing indiscriminately so they can get the funds needed to buy lyrium, if they don't outright steal it from the Chantry stores. When you have thousands of templars, all addicted to lyrium, most of them religious zealots, the common man and woman will suffer considerably because of templars.

The longer the war goes, the worse off the templars will be.

I see the game is at the point Cassandra brought in Varic, is the moment when things are about to go bad for everyone.

The templar disavantage is not just lyrium, is blood magic they can't stop a blood mage from casting spells if the mage use blood magic, thats why blood-magic is prohibited. Not just because of demons is because the templars can't do nothing to stop it.

Not all templars are zealot and not all mages are blood-mages and deal with demons, still Cullen sees them as nothing more than weapons. In his mind mages are neither Human or ELF just a thing we could use, like a sword or a dagger, nothing also compute in his head.

And talking to Cullen for him to see reason?  after what happen with Uldred I don't think he will wants mages to have any type of freedom because of what "they ( mages) might do." Doesn't matter if they never "do" anything.. but  is always that possibility.. arg his pathetic.

The only templar "IF any" my hawke want to try and reason with would have been thrask, he still wants mages in the circle but with a bit more of freedom.

Modifié par Huntress, 26 octobre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Beerfish]

Huntress wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

WOW lol! So by you're way of thinking:

If a templar rape a mage, they all should be hanged ( male and female) after been castrated( male)?
I like you! I really really like you! Bioware hire this person please!

I have no earthly clue what your post had to do with what you quoted from me.  Provide a logical counter arguement and a person might be able to address your concerns.

[DKJaigen]

@Beerfish

I think he wishes to point out that your argument is pure ****. And i agree with him your arguments are pure **** devoid of any logic and frankly i have no desire no argue with beings with such illogi.

P.S. i see that you are a firm believer that caps lock is the cruise control for awesome. keep up the good work

Modifié par DKJaigen, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[WhiteKnyght]

TJPags wrote...

I mean, every Circle in Thedas successfuly rebelled?  That seems somewhat far fetched to me.

It's not for me. Look how many Templars Hawke, Anders, and Merrill kill in DAII.

Their bark is worse than their bite. As the case may be. They teach every mage to believe that they can null anything they throw at them and then threaten him with the brand or a sword in the gut. They ruled through intimidation, not through actual power.

If the Templars were half as strong, thorough, and effective as they claim. Uldred wouldn't have been able to fill the tower with abominations and Anders wouldn't have been free to blow up a Chantry.

Templar cleansing and mana absorbtion abilities aren't limitless. They have to recouperate between uses and their range is limited. A mage can easily keep their distance and fire long range attacks at the Templar.

Not to mention there's always blood magic. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. Anders' claims about it coming directly from demons is bull. The Magisters learned it from the old gods, not the Fade demons, and Jowan and possibly the Warden in awakening learn it without ever even talking to a demon. Merrill is right, blood magic is just magic. It just uses blood in place of mana.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:55 .

[Huntress]

Beerfish wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

WOW lol! So by you're way of thinking:

If a templar rape a mage, they all should be hanged ( male and female) after been castrated( male)?
I like you! I really really like you! Bioware hire this person please!

I have no earthly clue what your post had to do with what you quoted from me.  Provide a logical counter arguement and a person might be able to address your concerns.

I know you have no clue ,  read you're post, you want OTHER mages to PAY for what ANDERS  or for what Starkheaven mages did burning and turning to blood-magic.. She can't kill the mages in the circle because they took no part of the destruction of the chantry, that only fit in her small sick- brain.

Whos fault is it that so many blood mages are free and causing troubles?  The templars fault.
or you really think the starkheaven mages that fleed the circle left because they were feed pie every day?

Even if Orsino gives to meredith 10 mages and all of them are blood mages, meredith still will want to finish all the mages off, for FEAR of corruption, I can't believe you can't see how crazy Meredith is.. lol am I the only one who reads and lsiten to the conversations? I guess so.

Thats why I asked it you, if will that rule should aply to the templars in Thedas aswell? Kirkwall templars  torture, rape and force mages into tranquils, should every single templar in Thedas pay for what templars in kirkwall did?
My answer is: YES? Whats you're answer?

Modifié par Huntress, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Beerfish]

I know you have no clue ,  read you're post, you want OTHER mages to PAY for what ANDERS  or for what Starkheaven mages did burning and turning to blood-magic.. She can't kill the mages in the circle because they took no part of the destruction of the chantry, that only fit in her small sick- brain.

That's kind of the point of annulment isn't it?  When things have gone so far that you can't tell freind or foe, can't sit around and take a month to investigate whether anders was in league with anyone or not.  When mages are running around killing all sorts of people.  That's the whole idea behind annulment.

Whos fault is it that so many blood mages are free and causing troubles?  The templars fault.
or you really think the starkheaven mages that fleed the circle left because they were feed pie every day?

This arguement .....again....it is all the tempalrs and chantrys fault for the fact that every second mage is a blood mage and there is an abomination on every corner.  It simply shows why the mages have to be controlled to some extent.

Even if Orsino gives to meredith 10 mages and all of them are blood mages, meredith still will want to finish all the mages off, for FEAR of corruption, I can't believe you can't see how crazy Meredith is.. lol am I the only one who reads and lsiten to the conversations? I guess so.

Orsino knowing lets circle mages leave the tower and disappear for lengths of time, he;s in consort with a mass murderer who is an apostate and crazy and he becomes a harvester at the end.  Pretty clear indication that he was crazy and had totally lost control of his charges.

Thats why I asked it you, if will that rule should aply to the templars in Thedas aswell? Kirkwall templars  torture, rape and force mages into tranquils, should every single templar in Thedas pay for what templars in kirkwall did?
My answer is: YES? Whats you're answer?

The bad eggs that are in the templars have zero to do with calling for annulment at the moment in time.  A mage had just committed mass murder of the kirkwall chantry, the moderating factor in kirkwall, orsino had utterly refused to cooperate with Meredith at that moment in time, the circle had crunbled and was totally out of control.  That is the job of the templars and part of that authority is to purge it if it becomes too danerous.  If you recall earlier in the game both Meredith and Elthina had totally rejected the proposal by ulrick and his tranquil solution.  Meredith, crazy old bat or not had little choice at that point in time.  she did the right thing.

[Huntress]

Beerfish wrote...


I know you have no clue ,  read you're post, you want OTHER mages to PAY for what ANDERS  or for what Starkheaven mages did burning and turning to blood-magic.. She can't kill the mages in the circle because they took no part of the destruction of the chantry, that only fit in her small sick- brain.

That's kind of the point of annulment isn't it?  When things have gone so far that you can't tell freind or foe, can't sit around and take a month to investigate whether anders was in league with anyone or not.  When mages are running around killing all sorts of people.  That's the whole idea behind annulment.

Whos fault is it that so many blood mages are free and causing troubles?  The templars fault.
or you really think the starkheaven mages that fleed the circle left because they were feed pie every day?

This arguement .....again....it is all the tempalrs and chantrys fault for the fact that every second mage is a blood mage and there is an abomination on every corner.  It simply shows why the mages have to be controlled to some extent.

Even if Orsino gives to meredith 10 mages and all of them are blood mages, meredith still will want to finish all the mages off, for FEAR of corruption, I can't believe you can't see how crazy Meredith is.. lol am I the only one who reads and lsiten to the conversations? I guess so.

Orsino knowing lets circle mages leave the tower and disappear for lengths of time, he;s in consort with a mass murderer who is an apostate and crazy and he becomes a harvester at the end.  Pretty clear indication that he was crazy and had totally lost control of his charges.

Thats why I asked it you, if will that rule should aply to the templars in Thedas aswell? Kirkwall templars  torture, rape and force mages into tranquils, should every single templar in Thedas pay for what templars in kirkwall did?
My answer is: YES? Whats you're answer?

The bad eggs that are in the templars have zero to do with calling for annulment at the moment in time.  A mage had just committed mass murder of the kirkwall chantry, the moderating factor in kirkwall, orsino had utterly refused to cooperate with Meredith at that moment in time, the circle had crunbled and was totally out of control.  That is the job of the templars and part of that authority is to purge it if it becomes too danerous.  If you recall earlier in the game both Meredith and Elthina had totally rejected the proposal by ulrick and his tranquil solution.  Meredith, crazy old bat or not had little choice at that point in time.  she did the right thing.

Is not orsino job to stop mages from leaving is the templars JOB.  that is their hole purpuse!  thats why the Circle was created for them to defend mages from the world and themselves... And they do a very poor job at that.
and even if he did stop them, meredith still be up his arse! looking for more blood mages and until she has prove that the circle is corrupted.
Orsino become a last boss because of .... who knows! bioware didn't have any original character to become one thats why  act3 is  #$%^%$ and hated by everyone.
they didn't have anyone also to be the harvester and made Orsino one for giggles. ( me think)

Orsino decide to turn to blood magic because he was in a hole with no scape and yes hawke mother was killed by orsino friend but Orsino didn't pick hawke's mother for him to use, the blood mage did that by his own and he paid for that. Do you even read what you type? i ask for you're horse and kill 100 guards, you go to jail because you know me and it was you're horse the one who helped me scape? is that how the world works?

There is blood mages in every corner because is the ONLY  magic they can  use to kill templars and templars have NO POWER to stop it.. how hard to understand is that? is the ONLY weapon mages have left to fight them. 90% of the mages turn to blood magic for being abused by templars inside the circles/jail/cells or because they want to live free.


The annulment is called by mereith without any reason if she ask for ANDERS head and ask hawke for help to apease the mages in the circle I could understand, and might help her but NO, she wants to kill mages inside the gallows without any reason and IF Orsino for any reason give her one mage to apease that sick-mind of meredith then the circle would have being Annulated too! because, she has prove that a blood mage was inside the circle and it has being corrupted.
She is sick because of the idol and because of her pass, she won't stop until the mages in the circle are dead.

meredith and Elthina did that 3 years prior to the annulment decision to the circle/destruction of the Chantry... dont go back in time it confuses me.

 Every mage is seen as a blood mage so every templar could be seen as a  rapist and torturer of mages in any circle.
Not one  knows wich of the templars is innocent  so mages should kill them all, just  because one of the guilty one "might" scape.
isn't that how templars solve the " why mages have to be in the circle and not free? because of a MIGHT.
mages should be free and if any mage kills a templars, it would seem as  "justice is serve" to any mage who has been raped, torture or made tranquil by force by a templar.

Edit: Oh about Anders, meredith Knew ANDERS was an apostate, bring Anders to the gallows and listen to meredith telling him: Do not think you can hide behind the champion mage.
Elthina knew Anders was a mage:  I know some of you're friends are apostates, there!
Meredith knew who anders was don't think she was cought off guard or had to investigate about Anders.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:51 .

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I never did either, Meredith is a great villain but it's hard to side with her when I have seen videos of the templar ending that show her openly saying she had been looking forward to this.

In my opinon she had no basis to invoke the RoA.  The one who blew up the chantry was an apostate mage (not part of the kirkwall circle) and he was standing a few feet away from her.  She could have simply walked over a couple of steps and executed anders and I don't think anyone would have objected. 

She had a huge basis for invoking annulment, the cowardly act by Anders was the last straw and she did not know everything about him at that moment.  Only that mage belw up the chantry.

The legion of blood mages, circle mages escaping the circle, mages from starkhaven pulling their stunt, abominations on every corner and the fact that the head enchanter was refusing to aid in the the problem was a pretty good reason to invoke annulement.  They had a better reason to do so in Kirkwall which was on the verge of if not in uncontrollable chaos than they did for the lake calenhand circle.

Gotta love your black and white thinking.  Yes let's just do the easy thing instead of the right thing.  Who cares if innocent mages like Bethany get killed in the process.