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[Nauks]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Get it and play it.

Then come back to BSN and either praise it to the skies and say ME2 sucked. Or Condemn it to the depths and say ME2 is clearly superior.

...You know what everyone else seems to have done.

Indeed >
I wouldn't say that people who appreciate both game for what they are, and love them both are a rarity per se, it's just the people who cry over one or the other make a lot of noise about it.

[AdmiralCheez]

Having purchased both at the same time (got 'em at a bargain) and played them back-to-back, I consider them two parts of a larger experience. I have trouble imagining one without the other.

[Dominus]

It's a game that's not necessarily for everyone's taste, but I personally still enjoy it. I'll see if that still holds on March 6, who knows.

[Ghost-621]

Even though it probably won't matter in ME3 (thanks a lot for catering, bioware...) you need to get it. See how far the once-great game has fallen.

[Fiery Phoenix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Having purchased both at the same time (got 'em at a bargain) and played them back-to-back, I consider them two parts of a larger experience. I have trouble imagining one without the other.

Also this, to the power of 12.

Frankly, I find it hilarious how some people compare the two as if they were completely separate games. Mass Effect, to me, is one *really* big game. But it's one game.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jreezy wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Get it and play it.

Then come back to BSN and either praise it to the skies and say ME2 sucked. Or Condemn it to the depths and say ME2 is clearly superior.

...You know what everyone else seems to have done.

Indeed >
I wouldn't say that people who appreciate both game for what they are, and love them both are a rarity per se, it's just the people who cry over one or the other make a lot of noise about it.

I guess I'm one of those rare ones since I hold both in high regard. I love being special!

There are at least three of us?

Most excellent, the plan can now proceed as it was originally intended.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 25 octobre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Funkcase]

Yes! Go get it now, go!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jreezy wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Get it and play it.

Then come back to BSN and either praise it to the skies and say ME2 sucked. Or Condemn it to the depths and say ME2 is clearly superior.

...You know what everyone else seems to have done.

Indeed >
I wouldn't say that people who appreciate both game for what they are, and love them both are a rarity per se, it's just the people who cry over one or the other make a lot of noise about it.

I guess I'm one of those rare ones since I hold both in high regard. I love being special!

There are at least three of us?

Most excellent, the plan can now proceed as planned.

"Gee Admiral Cheesecake, what do you want to do tonight?"

"The same thing we do every night jreezy, try to take over BSN."

No jreezy your view is too small.

Not only shall we overtake all of the BSN we shall rule the WORLD!!!!!!!!!

The Rea-------Everybody's going to be so pleased.

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Get it and play it.

Then come back to BSN and either praise it to the skies and say ME2 sucked. Or Condemn it to the depths and say ME2 is clearly superior.

...You know what everyone else seems to have done.

Indeed >
I wouldn't say that people who appreciate both game for what they are, and love them both are a rarity per se, it's just the people who cry over one or the other make a lot of noise about it.

I guess I'm one of those rare ones since I hold both in high regard. I love being special!

There are at least three of us?

Most excellent, the plan can now proceed as planned.

"Gee Admiral Cheesecake, what do you want to do tonight?"

"The same thing we do every night jreezy, try to take over BSN."

Nauff.

[matt-bassist]

where else can you suggest to a bad guy that he kills himself... AND DOES?! ha ha

[KotorEffect3]

Fhaileas wrote...

If you disliked ME2 then "yes", if you adored ME2 particularly it's gameplay and narrative, then "no".

That makes no sense.  Yes there are gameplay differences between the two games and people have their preferences (I prefer ME 2) but it really is ok to love both games.  Besides playing the series from the very beginning is the best way to experience the ME trilogy.  More so than other game series because you import your shepard and your choices into the next game.  So bottom line is get and play both games.

[Tempest_]

I played 2 first (a fact that really annoys me which I guess shows how good the franchise is) on a PS3. I loved 2 so much that I bought an xbox 360 so I could play 1 and 2 together. Those are literally the only games I own for the xbox. Play 1 if you can. Its part of the experiance even if it is a little difficult to get used to if you've played 2 first.

[NaclynE]

I think you should play 1 since alot of the things that you could do in 1 does tie into 2. Like for instance the fate of the Arachni queen. If she survive a representive shows up in Illium talking to you about the fate of the queen. If renegade, no representive but talks about how you were a 'exterminator' does get brought up on occasion in some conversations. However I know there is a digital comic thingy out now but I don't know how much of it can be contributed over to 2. There's so much stuff even from BRINING DOWN THE SKY even mentioned in 2 that you could do in 1. It's best to enjoy it as a whole trilogy as oppose to 2 and 3. Frankly and no offence I feel you PS3 owners got the short end of the stick.

[KotorEffect3]

Last Vizard wrote...

NoxNoctum wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

If you disliked ME2 then "yes", if you adored ME2 particularly it's gameplay and narrative, then "no".

? I liked both.

"ME3 is the best place to enter the trilogy" so no, don't buy ME1 because BW has set it up so everything in ME1 doesn't matter.... you'll just get some bull comic choice at the start of ME3, "thanks for being loyal hardcore fans, now open up wide as we feed you sh!t" DA2 and ME2 killed the first games, guess we'll enjoy mail coverage of things we spent over one hundred hours doing for each "different" playthrough.

Doesn't fly with my friends and I but theres plenty of casual gamers out there who'll eat it up and think its strawberries, fifty/fifty about buying ME3 however we've already come this far so we might as well buy the last game although that'll be the end of that.  BW or EA, whoever pulled the strings for ME2 and DA2 have lost at least six customers due to efforts to maximise profits while reducing quality of RPG content.

PS. Maybe three of those six will come back to BW some day due to their cattle like behaviour.
Edit: ME2 makes the actions of Nazara seem like a complete waste.... after the Rachni idea failed couldn't he have set off his little distress becon thing that caused the other Reapers to head back anyway?   the tech wouldn've been two thousand years less advanced allowing them to take zero casualties or why wasn't the Collector ships helping his Geth fleet when it attacked the citadel? 

Dude you need to wait until ME 3 comes out before jumping to conclusions about how decisions will play out.  You have to understand the second part of the trilogy is not where all the consequences of decisions go down it makes no sense from a story standpoint to do it and it is very difficult from a development standpoint.  ME 2 still had to account for ME 3 and if ME 1 choices showed up more in ME 2 than it would have made ME 3 development a nightmare with all the multiple variables it would have had to account for.  Instead ME 2 mainly ackhowledged ME 1's choices, gaves us some new ones and set the stage for ME 3.  Now if ME 3 is mainly emails and cameos than you might have something to complain about but I get the feeling that will not be the case since they don't have to account for future games.  Oh and comparing ME 2 to DA 2 is a bit ridiculous.

[ChurchOfZod]

GET IT. ME1 is the goods in a totally different way than ME2. No better or worse of the two for me as they're my favorite games of all time. ME1 gets the story nod while ME2 is great for play mechanics. Like others have said, get it just to complete the story if nothing else.

[KotorEffect3]

It helps if you don't view ME 1 and ME 2 as seperate entities. I view them as mere parts to a larger entity.

[NaclynE]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

NoxNoctum wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

If you disliked ME2 then "yes", if you adored ME2 particularly it's gameplay and narrative, then "no".

? I liked both.

"ME3 is the best place to enter the trilogy" so no, don't buy ME1 because BW has set it up so everything in ME1 doesn't matter.... you'll just get some bull comic choice at the start of ME3, "thanks for being loyal hardcore fans, now open up wide as we feed you sh!t" DA2 and ME2 killed the first games, guess we'll enjoy mail coverage of things we spent over one hundred hours doing for each "different" playthrough.

Doesn't fly with my friends and I but theres plenty of casual gamers out there who'll eat it up and think its strawberries, fifty/fifty about buying ME3 however we've already come this far so we might as well buy the last game although that'll be the end of that.  BW or EA, whoever pulled the strings for ME2 and DA2 have lost at least six customers due to efforts to maximise profits while reducing quality of RPG content.

PS. Maybe three of those six will come back to BW some day due to their cattle like behaviour.
Edit: ME2 makes the actions of Nazara seem like a complete waste.... after the Rachni idea failed couldn't he have set off his little distress becon thing that caused the other Reapers to head back anyway?   the tech wouldn've been two thousand years less advanced allowing them to take zero casualties or why wasn't the Collector ships helping his Geth fleet when it attacked the citadel? 

Dude you need to wait until ME 3 comes out before jumping to conclusions about how decisions will play out.  You have to understand the second part of the trilogy is not where all the consequences of decisions go down it makes no sense from a story standpoint to do it and it is very difficult from a development standpoint.  ME 2 still had to account for ME 3 and if ME 1 choices showed up more in ME 2 than it would have made ME 3 development a nightmare with all the multiple variables it would have had to account for.  Instead ME 2 mainly ackhowledged ME 1's choices, gaves us some new ones and set the stage for ME 3.  Now if ME 3 is mainly emails and cameos than you might have something to complain about but I get the feeling that will not be the case since they don't have to account for future games.  Oh and comparing ME 2 to DA 2 is a bit ridiculous.

LOL. According to one of the developers in a way the trilogy has been 'a nightmare' because as one of the developers said in an interview 'they were writing and developing the games as a trilogy from day 1. So of course we went back to 1 and what was done from 1 carried over to 2'. What shocks me is that they're are able to do all of this in a short span of time (Three years?) because also they mentioned in the interview that by the time they got done with a, they hop into the next game, then the finale. It sounds like hey took no breaks in between. However I still wonder about DRAGON AGE though if it's just a seperate team or what. I am sure Origions is but 2 I wonder. Anyway regardless I am sure they did backtrack and decided to carry over things from 1 that carried to 2 that I am sure will continue to carry over to 3. I know the developer said that 'making the games as meant to be a trilogy has been a nightmare' was meant to be a joke. All I can say is when 3 comes out I can probably see if the one developer was right or not that they wanted to be true to the fact that they wanted this to be a trilogy or not. Because right now I do see this as being a trilogy because there are some or alot of things that does carry over and hopefully some things (like the fate of the arachni) does carry over to 3 from 1 and 2.

[Bluko]

Yes you should play it! Play ME1 or I WILL DESTROY YOU!*

*Once you play ME1 entirely this reference will make sense to you.

Inflitrator is a lot of fun in ME1 and is actually probably better then Soldier class. With the Pistol and Sniper Rifle you're pretty much set. Although keep a Shotgun handy for Feros and load some Hammerhead rounds in that sucker. Sniper will be hard to use til you dump a few skill points to get rid of the scope sway. Although by the end game your scope will probably barely sway at all. Also make good use of Assassination. Those gun abilities are there for a reason. (Heatsink and Accuracy boost Mods help early sniping, also keep in mind that you have to time your shots with the Sniper to avoid overheat.) At one point with my Inflitrator in ME1 I began to fire my Sniper Rifle from the hip using it much like a Shotgun. The force of impact from the Sniper makes it pretty viable up close if you can hit your target.

If I recall correctly Inflitrator also has Immunity, which should probably just be called Immortality, since you'll basically be Immortal once you reach the 2nd-3rd upgrade. Basically it makes you invulnerable to everything for a short period of time.

Also invest all your points in Charm/Intimidate immediately otherwise you'll find it hard to negotiate your way out of many conversations. Also bare in mind some conversation options have really high skill point requirements and that some will simply be impossible to get. You'll want 8-10 points in Charm/Intimidate before heading to Virmire is all I'll say.


I enjoy ME1 for the diversity of abilities and the fun you can have while using them. Biotics in particular are a lot more fun in ME1 as at higher levels you'll be able to Lift even Geth Armatures. Tech is pretty hand as you can either shut down enemy weapons or take down their shields. Some of the side quests are rather tedious, but there are also some really interesting ones. Also some planets are pain in the butt to navigate in the Mako. Use your map and don't try to go up 80 degree inclines simply to get to Objectives. There are drivable paths to most objectives if you're willing to look.

I'd also say a ME1 has a much stronger and compelling main plot then ME2 does.

Also ME2 is like 3x better if you have a file to import as you get to see what happens in regards to all the choices you made before in ME1. Characters from ME1 will show up and make note of what you did or didn't do. There's a significant amount of content you miss out on should you not have a file to import. Trust me you'll get a lot more out of ME2 if you can import characters.

Modifié par Bluko, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:17 .

[The Spamming Troll]

ADLegend21 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...


im not sure how you can be unaware of the backwards progresion your character makes from ME1 to ME2.

ME1 shepard would DESTROY ME2 shepard.

um...no.

Me2 Shepard can:
slow time to a halt and shoot faster than anyone
teleport and slam soeone into oblivion
cast a decoy drone that can explode and knick out opponents
add an extra barrier of protection that pulses when it's destroyed
toss a blackhole into the middle of the field
and also turn invisible

and that's just the class powers don'te ven get me started on Reave.

pft. you named 6 ME2 shepards. im not saying warp is better in ME1 or ME1s melee is better then ME3s omniblade. what im saying is one ME1 soldier can activate immunity, throw a singularity, then see the credits roll. ME2 shepard is barely more capable then random merc # 37, and those mercs dont even get abilities or heavy weapons, and have ****ty AI. hell ME2s heavy singularity is barely any better then ME1s bastion stasis, and thats the adepts signature ability for cripes sakes.

il finish with stasis > all other bonus abilities

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:16 .

[KotorEffect3]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...


im not sure how you can be unaware of the backwards progresion your character makes from ME1 to ME2.

ME1 shepard would DESTROY ME2 shepard.

um...no.

Me2 Shepard can:
slow time to a halt and shoot faster than anyone
teleport and slam soeone into oblivion
cast a decoy drone that can explode and knick out opponents
add an extra barrier of protection that pulses when it's destroyed
toss a blackhole into the middle of the field
and also turn invisible

and that's just the class powers don'te ven get me started on Reave.

pft. you named 6 ME2 shepards. im not saying warp is better in ME1 or ME1s melee is better then ME3s omniblade. what im saying is one ME1 soldier can activate immunity, throw a singularity, then see the credits roll. ME2 shepard is barely more capable then random merc # 37, and those mercs dont even get abilities or heavy weapons, and have ****ty AI. hell ME2s heavy singularity is barely any better then ME1s bastion stasis, and thats the adepts signature ability for cripes sakes.

il finish with stasis > all other bonus abilities

now I see why you call yourself the spamming troll.  Newsflash ME 1 and ME 2 Shepard is the same dude.  And from a lore standpoint ME 2 Shepard has been upgraded not to mention there are shepard specific upgrades you could research on the normandy.

[Shinobu]

I started with ME2 also. I liked it a lot but spent a lot of time confused about "Why should I hate Cerberus?" and "Who is this 'Garrus' guy?"  and "WTH is going on here? Never mind, I'll shoot it." I plunked down $11 for ME1 and it was totally worth it, not the least reason being that playing ME2 with an import ME1 character is a much more rich and fulfilling experience. After playing ME1 I HATED Cerberus and nearly wept with joy to see Garrus and Wrex again. Seeing all the little references to the first game made the experience a hundred times better. Seriously, hearing Mordin calling Kirrahe "a bit of a cloaca" was priceless.

Going in you should know that compared to ME2, ME1:
Has slower/clunkier combat
Has an annoying minigame (overriding locks, though planet scanning in ME2 is no picnic either)
Has a more time consuming inventory management system
Has a larger number of skills to put points into
Has quite a lot of driving in a vehicle that will make you ill (it's funny if you just go with it)
Has less of a sense of humor (For example, Garrus is quite earnest in ME1 whereas in ME2 he is snarky)
Has absolutely beautiful planets to explore (feels like a bigger universe)
Has great atmosphere and music (not that ME2 doesn't, but it's different)
Has actual tragedy that is unavoidable
Has actual sex (seriously, ME2 has -- a headbump? Why do I have to be a xenophile? Sigh.)
Has really great characters that you will enjoy meeting/importing into ME2 (Wrex, Conrad, Gianna...)

Short version: ME1 is an enjoyable game as long as you are open to it being different from ME2. Even if you don't like it as much, you will love how it affects ME2 when you import your save game. Buy it!

[NaclynE]

Bluko wrote...

Yes you should play it! Play ME1 or I WILL DESTROY YOU!*

*Once you play ME1 entirely this reference will make sense to you.

Inflitrator is a lot of fun in ME1 and is actually probably better then Soldier class. With the Pistol and Sniper Rifle you're pretty much set. Although keep a Shotgun handy for Feros and load some Hammerhead rounds in that sucker. Sniper will be hard to use til you dump a few skill points to get rid of the scope sway. Although by the end game your scope will probably barely sway at all. Also make good use of Assassination. Those gun abilities are there for a reason. (Heatsink and Accuracy boost Mods help early sniping, also keep in mind that you have to time your shots with the Sniper to avoid overheat.) At one point with my Inflitrator in ME1 I began to fire my Sniper Rifle from the hip using it much like a Shotgun. The force of impact from the Sniper makes it pretty viable up close if you can hit your target.

If I recall correctly Inflitrator also has Immunity, which should probably just be called Immortality, since you'll basically be Immortal once you reach the 2nd-3rd upgrade. Basically it makes you invulnerable to everything for a short period of time.

Also invest all your points in Charm/Intimidate immediately otherwise you'll find it hard to negotiate your way out of many conversations. Also bare in mind some conversation options have really high skill point requirements and that some will simply be impossible to get. You'll want 8-10 points in Charm/Intimidate before heading to Virmire is all I'll say.


I enjoy ME1 for the diversity of abilities and the fun you can have while using them. Biotics in particular are a lot more fun in ME1 as at higher levels you'll be able to Lift even Geth Armatures. Tech is pretty hand as you can either shut down enemy weapons or take down their shields. Some of the side quests are rather tedious, but there are also some really interesting ones. Also some planets are pain in the butt to navigate in the Mako. Use your map and don't try to go up 80 degree inclines simply to get to Objectives. There are drivable paths to most objectives if you're willing to look.

I'd also say a ME1 has a much stronger and compelling main plot then ME2 does.

Also ME2 is like 3x better if you have a file to import as you get to see what happens in regards to all the choices you made before in ME1. Characters from ME1 will show up and make note of what you did or didn't do. There's a significant amount of content you miss out on should you not have a file to import. Trust me you'll get a lot more out of ME2 if you can import characters.

I found Infiltrator more enjoyable to play in 2. I hated haveing to put a ton of points into sniper rifle to stop playing the game like METAL GEAR SOLID 2. However when maxed yeah I can drop a Amature (the small geth tanks) almost like nothing with ASSASSINATE. The tech abilities were ok were you can explode things or debuff sheilds. Infiltrators were better in 2 because of the slow move bonus for snipeing, the fire ball ability, and the ability to turn on cloak when things get heavy. However I prefered adapts in 1 since you get LIFT which launches guys to the sky, THROW to get free shots in, SINGULARITY to launch or throw guys like THROW and LIFT, and BARRIER to last longer. I agree getting into CHARM, INTIMADATE points is a good thing even early on to complete certain quests. They even help with stores like CHARM cuts down on price by 25%, 50 for level 2, and 75% for near full. INTIMADATE makes you sell your items better for the same percentages as CHARM depending on how high your ability. You also get the unique class bonus like KROGAN for Wrex and SPECTRE for you which inhances your class. When you complete a mission on LUNA on Level 20 where you can research into one of two enhanced classes depending on your class like infiltrator or vanguard. The enhanced class gets you better into what you want similar to the class pickings in 2. The only thing I hated was planet travel in the MAKO. I swear I spent more time doing the MAKO crap than I did the actual missions. Also if you die at times, you have to restart on a planet from scratch unless you saved alot. I also agree importing a character is better than starting a fresh one since determining the fate of the councel is far more of a compelling startup instead of hearing what happened to them. I find it funny to treat them like crap even after I saved them. lol. I just hope they actually do show the human counsel in 3 they they were just only mentioned in 2 which stunk.

You can do Virmire any time you want also just as long as you do two story missions first like Feros and Noveria. You can hit Virmire afterward then Liara's dig site.