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[termokanden]

The Lone Wanderer has a more personal story, I can agree with that. But it's not one that I can really relate to personally, and besides,the LW is 19 in FO3. That's 10 years younger than me. Doesn't help.

As a protest, I made my NV characters as old as I could. They still don't look more than 40.

I love my NV characters the most. They are ugly as sin, they have stupid names (Old Man Waterfall, Old Man Iceberg, Old Man ... actually I forgot the last one), but they are *my* weird custom characters and that somehow means more than following the LW through his 10 year birthday or GOAT test.

Don't get me wrong though, I think the introduction to FO3 was actually quite brilliant. I guess it boils down to whether you like following someone's story and being a part of that or making the story yourself.

Modifié par termokanden, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:44 .

[Addai]

It's a tough question. I like them both, but would probably pick the Courier because she is more open-ended. This despite the fact that the thing I liked most in FO3 was the relationship with Dad. Hmm. It's a tie, I think. Too tough to choose.

[Menycet]

For some reason I like - and identified with - the Lone Wanderer more.

[Fishy]

I was more attached to the Lone Wanderer ..

Modifié par Suprez30, 26 octobre 2011 - 06:50 .

[Funkcase]

The Lone wanderer, I just felt more connected to the Lone wanderer, we start the game at his/her birth, playthrough some of his/her childhood, spent time with The wanderers dad, got to know his/her childhood friends, ect. The Courier has a past that I never saw or heard of before Lonesome road, so I felt a bit detached from The Courier for that. They were both great to play as though, and the Courier is still great.

Modifié par Funkcase, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:17 .

[Nerdage]

The courier.

I love a protagonist who follows their own agenda, be it to support another's cause or make their own. I liked having a connection to the wanderer's past, but throughout the main story I felt like I was just taking orders.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

The Courier because he was a tough veteran of a huge war type of guy. The Wanderer was more of an emo where is my daddy type of guy.

[Fallstar]

The Lone Wanderer definitely. Fallout 3 is one of my favourite games of all time, although I do like the FO:2 style humour in New Vegas.

[Romantiq]

Courier all the way. No father and mother and lame passage ooga booga and a much MUCH better and actually developed story.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The Courier.

Not just because I like NV more but really, who wants to follow Liam "we can get project purity working small scale but not large scale, so let's not tell the BoS of our successful results small scale and work from there using small filters to supply water to important zones, saving lives in the meantime while hopefully gaining resources and research data when it's shown to be successful. Instead, let's only display our failures so that we can shelve the entire project for 2 decades, because if everyone can't have clean water, then NO ONE CAN!!" Neeson around?

If the plot had been made more freeform and/or if you were able to point out his stupidity and actually run with it (imagine using Science, INT & Repair for a branching plotline which had you researching the technology, fixing it, building small prototype models and distributing them across the CW? Kewl stuffs imo and much better than the "find daddy arc".), then the LW would've been pretty cool and probably better, NV bias aside.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Dreadstruck]

The Courier. Both lore and game-wise, he's superior to the LW.

Really can't fathom what do people find so fascinating on the F3 storyline, but that's just me.

You know, for all of its melodrama Fallout 3 never gave me any real reason to care about its characters or storyline, Fallout 3's story came across as incredibly pretentious. melodrama is tricky (and frankly I don't think it belongs in Fallout, but that's beside the point), you have to give the viewer/reader/player genuine reason to care before it has any value, and Bethesda didn't really give the player any reason... they expected you to care simply because; this was enough for some people I guess, but if you want me to care about something then you have to spend more than ten minutes developing the storyline and characters.

Some may argue that melodrama can make a great story, and it can when it's well executed; however Fallout 3 is a great example of how not to write a melodramatic work.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:40 .

[Addai]

Dude, melodrama is DA2.

Reason to care about James... Liam Neeson.

[Funkcase]

Avalla'ch wrote...

The Courier. Both lore and game-wise, he's superior to the LW.

Really can't fathom what do people find so fascinating on the F3 storyline, but that's just me.

You know, for all of its melodrama Fallout 3 never gave me any real reason to care about its characters or storyline, Fallout 3's story came across as incredibly pretentious. melodrama is tricky (and frankly I don't think it belongs in Fallout, but that's beside the point), you have to give the viewer/reader/player genuine reason to care before it has any value, and Bethesda didn't really give the player any reason... they expected you to care simply because; this was enough for some people I guess, but if you want me to care about something then you have to spend more than ten minutes developing the storyline and characters.

Some may argue that melodrama can make a great story, and it can when it's well executed; however Fallout 3 is a great example of how not to write a melodramatic work.

Well the question was who do you feel more connected to, I know Fallout New Vegas tells a better story, but I felt alot more connected to the Lone Wanderer than the Courier, Vault Dweller or Chosen one. They are all great, but I think the opening to Fallout 3, all of what happens before you're thrust into the Wasteland and the side quest when you return to the Vault made me really feel connected to The Lone Wanderer. The whole Lonesome road thing whilst it was very interesting and well told made me slightly disconnected from The Courier, as it was a past I had no knowledge of. Alot of the time you can make up their past yourself so it's not a issue, but the Courier has a canon past I never saw., it did add alot of depth and story to the charcter though, but it took away the feeling of ''I am this character''  

[Dreadstruck]

Well I had no problem relating to the Courier who actually does not have much backstory(leaves much more for RPing) as opposed to LW who is fixed to the Vault one.

it did add alot of depth and story to the charcter though, but it took away the feeling of ''I am this character'' 

How is that different from LW? He has a much more fixed background and not much room for character shaping or going "Yeah, that's my PC there, right there" IMHO.
Still, I enjoyed both games in their own merits. Doesn't stop me from comparing them though.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:41 .

[Leinadi]

Fallout 1 is my favorite game in the series but the Courier is probably my favorite main character of the series. Even with the background introduced in Lonesome Road, it's wonderfully open for creating a character. You've wandered the west as a Courier, and that's it.

Aside from all the reasons given by Avalla'ch above, one of the main reasons why I disliked the Lonesome Wanderer is that you're stuck in the "teenager looking for a father" role. Characters being young isn't anything new, but given your relationship with the father, it's a constant remainder that you're stuck as a teenager in the game. That, combined with the Vault upbringing, really puts a damper on character creation.

Plus, the Courier has a lot more freedom of choice in the actual game as well. I can make my own character through my actions which I didn't feel I could do at all in Fallout 3.

[HoonDing]

You know, for all of its melodrama Fallout 3 never gave me any real reason to care about its characters or storyline, Fallout 3's story came across as incredibly pretentious. melodrama is tricky (and frankly I don't think it belongs in Fallout, but that's beside the point), you have to give the viewer/reader/player genuine reason to care before it has any value, and Bethesda didn't really give the player any reason... they expected you to care simply because; this was enough for some people I guess, but if you want me to care about something then you have to spend more than ten minutes developing the storyline and characters.

Pretentious is exactly what NV's storyline is. There was never any good reason why the Courier should give a lick about House, NCR, the Legion and their petty squabbles. The only thing that was logical was going after Benny was normal, since he shot Courier in the head.

[Dreadstruck]

Reason to care about James... Liam Neeson.

I give you that. Perhaps my only motivation was to hear the badass Irish actor.
Also, gave him a Fatman during our trek back to River City. Go figure.

virumor wrote...
Pretentious is exactly what NV's storyline is. There was never any good reason why the Courier should give a lick about House, NCR, the Legion and their petty squabbles. The only thing that was logical was going after Benny was normal, since he shot Courier in the head.

Well, okay. Is that your definition of "pretentious"?

Okay, time for me to debunk this crap.

First off, you are *not* forced to join either factions and can just go your own independent way. You actually get a choice that is not shoved down your throat.
And heck, why limit ourselves "because it's not logical"? Since Courier is actually a much better RP material, he can find himself a motivation to support XY.

Now compare that to F3, where you have to join the Knights of the Yore BoS no matter what and with or without Broken Steel, and your "father"(whom I didn't care a squat since I'v known him for like 9 minutes) in his holy quest for battling the Black Knights Enclave.

IMHO, I'd take choices over that anyday. *shrugs*

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[Addai]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Reason to care about James... Liam Neeson.

I give you that. Perhaps my only motivation was to hear the badass Irish actor.
Also, gave him a Fatman during our trek back to River City. Go figure.

LOL  Once I was getting limbs blown off and then realized he had picked up a missile launcher and was going to town.

Dad, laying down the heavy fire.

First off, you are *not* forced to join either factions and can just go your own independent way. You actually get a choice that is not shoved down your throat.

Well you do have to stick around and fight out the battle for Hoover Dam, with no particular ties to the New Vegas area.  I don't see it as much different than FO3's story in that respect.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I don't understand how one little battle that has mulititudes of reasoning behind it gets such a big wrap as being too linear or whatever. You have to fight for Hoover Dam because it is what gets your ideology to flow into the Wasteland. If the Courier didn't want to pass on his/her morals into the Mojave, then you have the freedom to end your storyline with Lonesome Roads, and just say a big F-U to Legion, House, and NCR.

Fallout: 3 just clumsily shoves you into everything that leads to a linear storyline with only good vs. bad sides. They pretty much destroyed the C&C that enveloped the entirety of the Fallout universe. Anyways, I don't think seeing a little kid version of my character constituted any form of depth, but seeing my character have such an open background made the Courier feel like I was in control. I mean how cool is a name like Courier anyways. When I hear that Caesar Legion Decanus at Hoover Dam say, "Salve, Courier, how goes the battle..." I swell up my chest with pride.

[termokanden]

The Legion is clearly the game's evil faction. They keep slaves and treat women like crap. There is absolutely nothing likable about them. But their mortal enemies the NCR aren't the good guys either. The NCR doesn't really care about the locals, they just want to expand.

Modifié par termokanden, 29 octobre 2011 - 02:18 .