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[111987]

CuseGirl wrote...

111987 wrote...
I guess if the entire Reaper fleet came to attack the Citadel, blowing it up would kill them all (assuming the explosion is comparable to the Alpha Relay blast).

no, wut I mean is: maybe the Citadel is wuts keeping the Reapers going. And maybe the Reapers are all connected to some Mother-Reaper or Harbinger himself (altho a part of me feels like Harbinger is just an overzealous lackey and there's someone behind him with real power). And if we get rid of the Citadel, we kill the Mother-Reaper and send the rest of the Reapers back where they came from.

I don't think so...

1. How would the Citadel be powering the Reapers, who are almost a million light years away in dark space?

2. Why would the Reapers leave the key to their defeat right in the center of organic space?

3. Sovereign says each Reaper is a nation, independent, free of all weakness. This suggests there isn't a Mother-Reaper, or anything like that that would result in the destruction of them all if that thing was destroyed.

[Mars Nova]

Earth, the Citadel and the Council had their chance.

[CuseGirl]

@Mars Nova - so you say screw 'em? lolll

@111987 - I dont think the Citadel is "powering" the Reapers but somehow maybe they have some other connection. And why would the Reapers leave the key to their destruction in the center? Arrogance most likely. Unlikely but crazier things have happened before in fiction.

And if Sovereign is truthful in that each Reaper is a nation, independent and free, that sounds like an opening to turn one Reaper against the cause. The same way the Reapers have used indoctrinated moles on sentient beings, I have a feeling this is how the galaxy will get over on the Reapers.

[111987]

CuseGirl wrote...

@Mars Nova - so you say screw 'em? lolll

@111987 - I dont think the Citadel is "powering" the Reapers but somehow maybe they have some other connection. And why would the Reapers leave the key to their destruction in the center? Arrogance most likely. Unlikely but crazier things have happened before in fiction.

And if Sovereign is truthful in that each Reaper is a nation, independent and free, that sounds like an opening to turn one Reaper against the cause. The same way the Reapers have used indoctrinated moles on sentient beings, I have a feeling this is how the galaxy will get over on the Reapers.

If anything, maybe they have something like what you are talking about out in dark space. I just don't see how anyone, especially hyper-intelligent beings like the Reaper, would be arrogant enough to leave something that could destroy them all right in the middle of their enemies hands.

I don't think a Reaper will turn. From what we've seen, they hold organic life in such disdain that cooperation with them would just be unfathomable.

[Sajuro]

111987 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

@Mars Nova - so you say screw 'em? lolll

@111987 - I dont think the Citadel is "powering" the Reapers but somehow maybe they have some other connection. And why would the Reapers leave the key to their destruction in the center? Arrogance most likely. Unlikely but crazier things have happened before in fiction.

And if Sovereign is truthful in that each Reaper is a nation, independent and free, that sounds like an opening to turn one Reaper against the cause. The same way the Reapers have used indoctrinated moles on sentient beings, I have a feeling this is how the galaxy will get over on the Reapers.

If anything, maybe they have something like what you are talking about out in dark space. I just don't see how anyone, especially hyper-intelligent beings like the Reaper, would be arrogant enough to leave something that could destroy them all right in the middle of their enemies hands.

I don't think a Reaper will turn. From what we've seen, they hold organic life in such disdain that cooperation with them would just be unfathomable.

Well Sovereign was the one who put his mind into a saren puppet and died because of it.

But on the Reaper turning part, I think that if the tables do turn there will be a Reaper who approaches Shepard, having ran the calculations and deciding not ****ing with Shepard is the best way to ensure its continued existance, and offer to help the squishies defeat the main Reapers if it can get something in return.

[Adugan]

Allying with reapers seems like a bad idea though. I would reject it if I had a choice.

[CuseGirl]

Adugan wrote...

Allying with reapers seems like a bad idea though. I would reject it if I had a choice.

true, its another perfect trap......I just think it would be a good layer of storytelling....can you trust one rogue Reaper out of a group of thousands?

[Sethan_1]

It occurs to me that saving the Citadel probably isn't going to be an option - at least not until the Reapers are defeated. We know that the Citadel is the key to the relay network, and can be used to lock down the relays against non-Reaper vessels - we know per Vigil that the Reapers did this to the Protheans, and Sovereign did exactly this in ME1. So, taking the Citadel at the beginning of the war will be a key part of early Reaper strategy.

Odds are the entire Reaper fleet will be used to do so, which will make saving the Citadel impossible. With the Relay network locked down all races that are not tools of the Reapers will be trapped in their own systems.

The one non-Reaper ship that will be able to navigate the Relay network freely once this happens, is the Normandy, thanks to its Reaper IFF (it makes sense that the Reaper IFF was not only for navigating the Omega 4 Relay, but for allowing the Reapers free access to the locked-down Relay network - thus even if organic races locked down the network themselves to stop the Reapers, the Reapers would be able to use locked out Relays.).

[111987]

Sethan_1 wrote...

It occurs to me that saving the Citadel probably isn't going to be an option - at least not until the Reapers are defeated. We know that the Citadel is the key to the relay network, and can be used to lock down the relays against non-Reaper vessels - we know per Vigil that the Reapers did this to the Protheans, and Sovereign did exactly this in ME1. So, taking the Citadel at the beginning of the war will be a key part of early Reaper strategy.

Odds are the entire Reaper fleet will be used to do so, which will make saving the Citadel impossible. With the Relay network locked down all races that are not tools of the Reapers will be trapped in their own systems.

The one non-Reaper ship that will be able to navigate the Relay network freely once this happens, is the Normandy, thanks to its Reaper IFF (it makes sense that the Reaper IFF was not only for navigating the Omega 4 Relay, but for allowing the Reapers free access to the locked-down Relay network - thus even if organic races locked down the network themselves to stop the Reapers, the Reapers would be able to use locked out Relays.).

The IFF could have been made available to other ships already.

Furthermore, if you close up the Citadel, the Reapers can't get in without destroying it. And it is entirely self-sustaining, so its inhabitants can survive indefinitely.

[sgtrock]

i should probably go back and play mass effect 1....because honestly i don't remember them ever saying anything about the citadel controlling all the mass relays

[Adugan]

Spoiler:

When Sovereign got control of the Citadel, the Alliance fleet was trapped in their system, and Shepard had to go unlock the relays and give the order to either kill Sovereign or defend the council.

Modifié par Adugan, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:41 .

[SilentNukee]

I'd look at the bigger picture and probably save the Citadel.

[CroGamer002]

If you played ME1, you know that not letting Reapers to get Citadel is top priority.

Cause if they have Citadel, all Mass Relays and inter-system communications are gone!
It is an instant win for the Reapers and Earth would be lost either way.


So this choice is nothing like Virmire and Shepard has to be an idiot to choose to save Earth since it will doomed entire galaxy and Earth.
So it's like Arrival situation since people in Bahak system would dead either way.

[HK01]

If the Citadel closes up...couldn't the Reapers (or any other attacker) just fly in through that huge hole that the Presidium ring leaves open? How is that closed?

[Mikeyzs94]

im pretty sure somewhere in the this galaxy
other species are asking the same thing

[Sylvianus]

Earth. Never I'll let the ennemy destroy it. Never.

[Sethan_1]

Hah.  Wait until the Reapers show up at the Citadel en-masse, and the Citadel wakes up and takes command of the Reapers. 

[CuseGirl]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Is everyone Pro-Human or something and racist here? This topic is stupid, I don't like it, I been reading. I only see not very good comments. There are good as well. I hope that's not a choice, option. I will hate that. If there's no Citadel it will be like Chaos in ways. If you save Earth and Let the Citadel die that will be worst, for the other species. That willmake the Humans maybe dominate, they though will lose alot. That means every Species will have a home. They need to remake a Galactic Community with and all species.

i dont think people are "pro-human", I think gamers have a hard time relating to fictional aliens and so faced with the choice of "save the fictional citadel" or "save the fictional Earth that has a real life counter part", many gamers would choose Earth.

Also, dont forget ME-2 came out on the PS3 in January, so you have an influx of gamers who didn't play ME-1 or read any of the prequel books and therefore have NO connection to the Council or aliens in general. As far as their concerned, they need to stop Reapers from eating Humans.

Modifié par CuseGirl, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[111987]

HK01 wrote...

If the Citadel closes up...couldn't the Reapers (or any other attacker) just fly in through that huge hole that the Presidium ring leaves open? How is that closed?

It is closed; metal sheets extend from the circle to close it up. You can see it in the scene where Sovereign is descending upon the Citadel Tower as the arms close.

[Clara Shepard]

Adugan wrote...

I have a theory that BW will do something like Virmire, but with planets.  Save Earth or save the Citadel. What do you guys think?

But isn't there the "Perfect Playthrough" if you do everything right? So why would they punish you when you haven't done anything bad?   Just my opinion.  And I wouldn't expect them to destroy the Citadel, it's like... where the Turian counseller lives?  And I hear he's like ******* invinsible, even to Shepard!

[Adugan]

You HAD to sacrifice someone on Virmire, even if your playthrough was perfect otherwise. Same goes for this.

[SandTrout]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Is everyone Pro-Human or something and racist here?

Valuing the survival of my species, and by proxy the survival of my descendents is racist? I most certainly am Pro-Human, but I am also in no way racist. Racism requires the claim of intrinsic superiority of one racial group over another. Acknowledging that I can't have a child that is truly my decendent with an Asari(offspring are entirely Asari geneticly), Turian, or Salarian is simply noticing the reality of the situation and acting accordingly.

This topic is stupid, I don't like it, I been reading. I only see not very good comments. There are good as well.

You just contradicted yourself there.

I hope that's not a choice, option. I will hate that. If there's no Citadel it will be like Chaos in ways. If you save Earth and Let the Citadel die that will be worst, for the other species.

Why would it be any worse for other species than humans, considering that C-SEC is mostly manned by humans now? Not to mention that in some(most?) playthroughs, Humanity is already dominant through the Citadel Council anyways.

That willmake the Humans maybe dominate, they though will lose alot. That means every Species will have a home.

They still will have a home. The Citadel is not the "homeworld" of any species other than the Keepers, which are most likely non-sentient at this point.

They need to remake a Galactic Community with and all species. The Citadel is the most important in the Universe, how will the Galacy surivive without it, will they rebuild else where that will take years.

Why do you think that the Citadel is so vital to galactic unity? It's main value is that it exists at the primary hub of the Relay Network, has control of said network, and has pre-constructed habitable areas, none of which are necessary for the existence of the Council. It is only used because it is convenient, not because it is necessary, and the Council can set up at any planet, any space-station, or any ship that they want and still nominally retain their authority.

You're essentially claiming that the American Government could not exist if D.C. got nuked, even if we managed to evacuate all of the representatives, senators, president, and Supreme Court Justices.

I'm sure there will be different ways, I hope the good. Oh people stop being Racist it's not healthy.

Stop assuming people who don't pander to aliens are racist, it's not healthy.

It be great if we could be any species, any gender the people can be happy what they like. I hope you have that option in future games.

I do as well, and I would play those characters so that they value their own respective nations above humanity. Playing as a human, I would need to believe that Shepard was mentally ill to place another species above his/her own.

That said, I am actually in the "Save the Citadel" collum because given current data, if we loose the Citadel, we will likely loose Earth in any case as the Reapers will be able to prevent any sort of organized response.

Modifié par SandTrout, 31 octobre 2011 - 03:27 .