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[Dominus]

 What reasonable justification would I use to determine the fate of millions, if not billions of innocents? Whatever one ends up highlighted in blue. Then red for the next one. I don't need morality, I've got colors.

[billy the squid]

Last Vizard wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...
Millions are not enough to support modern fleets in sufficient numbers after the war with the Reapers to protect humanity from the other species, most nations would build defence platforms from the Relay all the way to Earth the second the first contact war finished...

The Bold sentences, how are those colonies going to support their people without the money from Earth? Earth was not a drain but the main Industrial might of humanity, without Earth we are left with farmers and miners without anyone to sell goods too... aliens have many many world so i doubt they'll need anything at all from a dying species. (Quarian treatment)

You assume that the Reapers are only targeting the humans and are letting the, oh so vicious aliens run relatively free.

That's cute.

lol i never once said "I assume that the Reapers are only targeting Humans while letting the aliens run free", if the Reapers want to make Humans into Reapers then it makes sense they would attack Earth before we get a chance to scatter a little, after Earth Reapers would just hit and run every other spacefaring sentient species.

You wouldn't be avoiding the colony subject are you? they are worthless without the consumers on Earth, if the time line was stretched forward another hundred or so years to allow for solid expansion for humanity then i'd say we can loose Earth and still function as a spacefaring species while protecting ourselves from pirates and alien interests

Ever thought that our current economic difficulty is due to an over reliance and unbalanced predisposition towards commercial consumption and ease of credit, creating the direct issue of asset inflation and the subsequent financial collapse?

Economic S curves dictate that domestic consumption retains the ability to stimulate internal growth without the need for external economic demand, I don't see how external consumption patterns are an irreplacable requirement to stimulate economic growth within a given economy if internally it is possible to create such conditions.

If anything Earth seems to be the technological and political hub of Alliance space, but considering the colonies seem to fairly autonomous in terms of local governance, and supply I don't see how colonial powers would collapse, paticularly as a degree of transaction would be present between the colonies themselves as much as Earth, in addition to internal economic stimulation.

The colonies wouldn't generate enough money to produce the weapons they need to defend themselves before the alien hordes enslave them.... client species anyone?

Because, galactic genocidal machines are picky about which alien species they wipe out? Whilst the Alliance military is not centralised on Earth rather in certain key junctures.

As to weapon supply, that is the demand which stimulates and creates the S curve of domestic economies, money is the representation of the underlying assets of the individual economy in question as well as it's stability, paticularly as citadel space has a unified financial system, I don't see currency devaluation as an issue. exportation of the colonial production to other colonies or companies tends to produce the money and internal investment and development required for political and territorial stability, be it via military of political associations.

[Medhia Nox]

@Last Vizard: I'm 34 (since that's relevant somehow) - and biology is a science if I recall correctly. Do they teach English where you go to school - if you don't mind me asking?

At any rate - snark aside - it's not the possibilities these things afford, it's your 50 year timetable, I find laughable.

Also - if you think fusion and antimatter are all that go into space colonization - good luck.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:40 .

[Last Vizard]

Nyoka wrote...

If organics keep the citadel , the war can be won and we can repopulate the earth afterwards, hopefully in a more responsible way. If the citadel is lost to the reapers, we lose the whole mass relay network, so each system will be isolated and the reapers will take them all one by one.

your a hippie too? we have actually come along way in clean power generation its just that coal plants haven't reached the end of their shelf life yet but when they do they'll build better systems that cost them less while charging us the same amount.

[Someone With Mass]

It's not like those 11 billion people are all dead the second one happens to focus on something else.

[Shermos]

Not sure if this has been said, but I don't think there will be a choice like this. If I understand the lore correctly, no citadel = no mass relay network so Shep would be forced to save the citadel over Earth.

Both are looking to be important objectives to 'save'. The citadel because it is the centre of galactic civilisation and Earth because it is where the Reapers are apparently making their home base from which to launch their extermination campaign. In order to get the best ending, both will have to be won.

The Question is, how the frak is it gonna be doable?

[lady_v23]

earth. i believe saving a planet is more important.

[mauro2222]

Ok...a whole planet full of different types of life, with millions of species, including 11.4 billion apes with huge egos. Or a space station that can be reconstructed. Hmmm....

[Last Vizard]

billy the squid wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...
Millions are not enough to support modern fleets in sufficient numbers after the war with the Reapers to protect humanity from the other species, most nations would build defence platforms from the Relay all the way to Earth the second the first contact war finished...

The Bold sentences, how are those colonies going to support their people without the money from Earth? Earth was not a drain but the main Industrial might of humanity, without Earth we are left with farmers and miners without anyone to sell goods too... aliens have many many world so i doubt they'll need anything at all from a dying species. (Quarian treatment)

You assume that the Reapers are only targeting the humans and are letting the, oh so vicious aliens run relatively free.

That's cute.

lol i never once said "I assume that the Reapers are only targeting Humans while letting the aliens run free", if the Reapers want to make Humans into Reapers then it makes sense they would attack Earth before we get a chance to scatter a little, after Earth Reapers would just hit and run every other spacefaring sentient species.

You wouldn't be avoiding the colony subject are you? they are worthless without the consumers on Earth, if the time line was stretched forward another hundred or so years to allow for solid expansion for humanity then i'd say we can loose Earth and still function as a spacefaring species while protecting ourselves from pirates and alien interests

Ever thought that our current economic difficulty is due to an over reliance and unbalanced predisposition towards commercial consumption and ease of credit, creating the direct issue of asset inflation and the subsequent financial collapse?

Economic S curves dictate that domestic consumption retains the ability to stimulate internal growth without the need for external economic demand, I don't see how external consumption patterns are an irreplacable requirement to stimulate economic growth within a given economy if internally it is possible to create such conditions.

If anything Earth seems to be the technological and political hub of Alliance space, but considering the colonies seem to fairly autonomous in terms of local governance, and supply I don't see how colonial powers would collapse, paticularly as a degree of transaction would be present between the colonies themselves as much as Earth, in addition to internal economic stimulation.

The colonies wouldn't generate enough money to produce the weapons they need to defend themselves before the alien hordes enslave them.... client species anyone?

Because, galactic genocidal machines are picky about which alien species they wipe out? Whilst the Alliance military is not centralised on Earth rather in certain key junctures.

As to weapon supply, that is the demand which stimulates and creates the S curve of domestic economies, money is the representation of the underlying assets of the individual economy in question as well as it's stability, paticularly as citadel space has a unified financial system, I don't see currency devaluation as an issue. exportation of the colonial production to other colonies or companies tends to produce the money and internal investment and development required for political and territorial stability, be it via military of political associations.

seems like all our eggs are in the one basket


Sorry that you need to keep typing the economic reasons why, not avoiding it lol can the factories be built faster than the hordes can travel to these colonies?

[Medhia Nox]

@mauro2222 - omg maruro2222, you're an evil space hippie. Next you'll want to: Occupy Collector Base.

[billy the squid]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ok...a whole planet full of different types of life, with millions of species, including 11.4 billion apes with huge egos. Or a space station that can be reconstructed. Hmmm....

Well considering the station is a giant mass relay and the hub of the relay system, and no one seems to have been able to replicate Reaper technology on that scale. I guess we can all be stick in our individual solar systems when the relay system goes down and the Reapers procceed to wipe out the galaxy one system at a time. I don't know.

Modifié par billy the squid, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:50 .

[mauro2222]

Medhia Nox wrote...

omg maruro2222, you're an evil space hippie. Next you'll want to: Occupy Collector Base.

It's called responsibility towards the planet.

[Last Vizard]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Last Vizard: I'm 34 (since that's relevant somehow) - and biology is a science if I recall correctly. Do they teach English where you go to school - if you don't mind me asking?

At any rate - snark aside - it's not the possibilities these things afford, it's your 50 year timetable, I find laughable.

Also - if you think fusion and antimatter are all that go into space colonization - good luck.

lol yeah its a science, my favourite part of science is biology and yes they taught English however i've never been any good at it,

I don't remember saying this was for space colonisation at any point, i was talking about energy production to someone who didn't realise we aren't hurting the planet anyway. (not badly anyway)

[Last Vizard]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Calling people names isn't helping your case, Vizard.

Sorry, is hippie a bad word? thought it was the same as greeny and such, people who overreact to what appears to be smoke coming out of tall towers but its water vapour...

[Someone With Mass]

Everyone's talking as if the Reapers are going to destroy Earth or make it completely inhabitable/destroy every single little organism. They won't. That's not how they're working.

[billy the squid]

Last Vizard wrote...

seems like all our eggs are in the one basket


Sorry that you need to keep typing the economic reasons why, not avoiding it lol can the factories be built faster than the hordes can travel to these colonies?

Did we have any indication of how large the aliance military is or how they react once Reapers make planet fall? Nope.

Hordes? The words galactic genocide spring to mind. Or do you think the Reapers are going to miss out on an opportunity to stamp all over every other sentient race in the galaxy.

There has been no indication than loosing  Earth affects colonial development to such an extent that the race collapses. As to economic reasons, they are there to explain the reasoning behind such postulations, things which go way beyond, "not enough money, no factories" which are shallow in grasping how economic development works.

[Last Vizard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

omg maruro2222, you're an evil space hippie. Next you'll want to: Occupy Collector Base.

It's called responsibility towards the planet.

If you don't mind can you tell me what produces the most oxygen: Trees or Algae?
and is CO2 bad?

[Wereparrot]

Earth must be saved at any cost.

[mauro2222]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Everyone's talking as if the Reapers are going to destroy Earth or make it completely inhabitable/destroy every single little organism. They won't. That's not how they're working.

No, but I know how people in power reacts to the lose of their source of income, so if the reapers are moving towards their city, they will not doubt to make a hole in the planet to save a factory of diapers.

[Last Vizard]

billy the squid wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

seems like all our eggs are in the one basket


Sorry that you need to keep typing the economic reasons why, not avoiding it lol can the factories be built faster than the hordes can travel to these colonies?

Did we have any indication of how large the aliance military is or how they react once Reapers make planet fall? Nope.

Hordes? The words galactic genocide spring to mind. Or do you think the Reapers are going to miss out on an opportunity to stamp all over every other sentient race in the galaxy.

There has been no indication than loosing  Earth affects colonial development to such an extent that the race collapses. As to economic reasons, they are there to explain the reasoning behind such postulations, things which go way beyond, "not enough money, no factories" which are shallow in grasping how economic development works.

ok, but I doubt that minning and farming worlds will have the correct equipment and schematics and such to make new advanced Reaper tech ships after the Reaper war.

[mauro2222]

Last Vizard wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

omg maruro2222, you're an evil space hippie. Next you'll want to: Occupy Collector Base.

It's called responsibility towards the planet.

If you don't mind can you tell me what produces the most oxygen: Trees or Algae?
and is CO2 bad?

Cyanophyceae are the ones who produce more oxygen, blue algaes.
The concentration of CO2 is bad, not the gas itself.
What does this have to do with the topic?

Modifié par mauro2222, 25 octobre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Weyrloc Guld]

11 billion of humans vs. some million of aliens. This is a task for Captain Obvious.