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[Medhia Nox]

Trees don't "just" produce oxygen... anyway, this topic is not about this - must move on.

[LOLZAO]

No problem we have have the paragon/renegade System Up and Right is the way to go,but what if they make one on each side of the dialogue wheel?

Earth--------------------Citadel

What will i do then???(Hint:chose Earth)

[Last Vizard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

omg maruro2222, you're an evil space hippie. Next you'll want to: Occupy Collector Base.

It's called responsibility towards the planet.

If you don't mind can you tell me what produces the most oxygen: Trees or Algae?
and is CO2 bad?

Cyanophyceae are the ones who produce more oxygen, blue algaes.
The concentration of CO2 is bad, not the gas itself.
What does this have to do with the topic?

Nothing with the main topic, i work in a coal mine and we have hippies that try and interrupt our production so i was just curious if you were as surprised as i was when i found out it was algae.   CO2 is produced by Volcanoes, bacteria, animals, rotting plant waste and oceans during evaporation in far greater quantities than man does. (carbon tax is bull)

Modifié par Last Vizard, 25 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[billy the squid]

Last Vizard wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

seems like all our eggs are in the one basket


Sorry that you need to keep typing the economic reasons why, not avoiding it lol can the factories be built faster than the hordes can travel to these colonies?

Did we have any indication of how large the aliance military is or how they react once Reapers make planet fall? Nope.

Hordes? The words galactic genocide spring to mind. Or do you think the Reapers are going to miss out on an opportunity to stamp all over every other sentient race in the galaxy.

There has been no indication than loosing  Earth affects colonial development to such an extent that the race collapses. As to economic reasons, they are there to explain the reasoning behind such postulations, things which go way beyond, "not enough money, no factories" which are shallow in grasping how economic development works.

ok, but I doubt that minning and farming worlds will have the correct equipment and schematics and such to make new advanced Reaper tech ships after the Reaper war.

Considering that corporations, even now, are the main contractors for military development, not nation states. I don't think that they would have situated themselves on Earth alone. Neither am I certain that Earth is the sole repository of all knowledge in the Alliance.

Earth collapsing, likely to have some effect, as the political and administrative centre of Alliance space, but I don't foresee a complete collapse with the loss of a single planet, unless all assets, technologhy and knowledge is situaed there and knowhere else in the Alliance, which I don't think it is, since we know places like Noveria exist where companies undertake research, beyond the jurisdiction of Council and Alliance intervention.

[uzivatel]

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

11 billion of humans vs. some million of aliens. This is a task for Captain Obvious.

overpopulated slum vs. crucial transport system ... decisions.

[mauro2222]

Last Vizard wrote...

Nothing with the main topic, i work in a coal mine and we have hippies that try and interrupt our production so i was just curious if you were as surprised as i was when i found out it was algae.   CO2 is produced by Volcanoes, bacteria, animals, rotting plant waste and oceans during evaporation in far greater quantities than man does. (carbon tax is bull)

On the contrary, cabon tax is a great idea, in fact I don't know why people are still using carbon as a fuel, but anyway, human production of CO2 alters the balance that nature has. All that CO2 that nature produces, is "attacked" by nature itself in the form of plant life, bacteria, seasons and so on. Humans add more CO2 to the equation, altering this balance.

[Last Vizard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Nothing with the main topic, i work in a coal mine and we have hippies that try and interrupt our production so i was just curious if you were as surprised as i was when i found out it was algae.   CO2 is produced by Volcanoes, bacteria, animals, rotting plant waste and oceans during evaporation in far greater quantities than man does. (carbon tax is bull)

On the contrary, cabon tax is a great idea, in fact I don't know why people are still using carbon as a fuel, but anyway, human production of CO2 alters the balance that nature has. All that CO2 that nature produces, is "attacked" by nature itself in the form of plant life, bacteria, seasons and so on. Humans add more CO2 to the equation, altering this balance.

More than a volcanic eruption? watch tis --->

[Weyrloc Guld]

uzivatel wrote...

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

11 billion of humans vs. some million of aliens. This is a task for Captain Obvious.

overpopulated slum vs. crucial transport system ... decisions.

The homeworld of humans vs. the homeworld of reapers. i said all

[Last Vizard]

uzivatel wrote...

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

11 billion of humans vs. some million of aliens. This is a task for Captain Obvious.

overpopulated slum vs. crucial transport system ... decisions.

18 billion would be over populated, build more cites, right now 120 milion live in Japan, 300 milion in America while Australia has 21 milion whith a great deal of room and huge amounts of natural resources.  Tons of room for another five billion.

[Sgt Stryker]

Wait a moment, let's think about this. Did the OP ever clarify what he meant by "save" the Citadel? By save, do you mean prevent the Reapers from taking control of it, or prevent its destruction? If it's the latter, then the choice should be obvious.

[Cpt-Brit]

Who's to say if the Citadel is destroyed it will shut off the network? Although it can switch them off wouldn't the Reapers had made it so the Mass Effect Relays can work without it? Just in case one species thought "FU! Squids from Space" and blew it from the inside. Althought the Reapers would most likely take losses compared to a segregated galaxy they are that arrogant they'd still think they could win.

I'd vote to blow the Citadel rather than let it fall to the Reapers and see where the fight takes the Galaxy and the Council would probably do the same. You know how touchy they are with Garden worlds... All those colonies will rely on Earth for financial and/or industrial backing you know just like Colonies of old used to rely on their respective 'owners'. Do you think the United States or Canada could have survived to be what it is today without the original back up of the British?

I'm not saying the Colonies will all die out but they would be broken versions of there former selves and few would be able to survive for long and whos to say the Reapers aren't attacking all the reletively small Systems Alliance Empire/Federation/Confederation whatever you wanna call it at the same time? Yea they are going to go for Earth first but the colonies will be the easier target and much easier for the Military to 'Sacrifice' to save Earth.

Basically Shepherd can condemn more or less his entire race to death or can save the Citadel because without it we 'think' we might lose the war.

Last point do you think the Alliance military is just gonna go "Yea ok forget Earth a Space Station full of pampered Aliens is worth more than our home". Humanity is fighting for its survival as a species...

[mauro2222]

Last Vizard wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Nothing with the main topic, i work in a coal mine and we have hippies that try and interrupt our production so i was just curious if you were as surprised as i was when i found out it was algae.   CO2 is produced by Volcanoes, bacteria, animals, rotting plant waste and oceans during evaporation in far greater quantities than man does. (carbon tax is bull)

On the contrary, cabon tax is a great idea, in fact I don't know why people are still using carbon as a fuel, but anyway, human production of CO2 alters the balance that nature has. All that CO2 that nature produces, is "attacked" by nature itself in the form of plant life, bacteria, seasons and so on. Humans add more CO2 to the equation, altering this balance.

More than a volcanic eruption? watch tis --->

Is not about what or who produces more CO2, is about not speeding up the process. Would you prefer to have an Ice age tomorrow or in 10.000 years?

[Last Vizard]

Nyoka wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

If organics keep the citadel , the war can be won and we can repopulate the earth afterwards, hopefully in a more responsible way. If the citadel is lost to the reapers, we lose the whole mass relay network, so each system will be isolated and the reapers will take them all one by one.

your a hippie too? we have actually come along way in clean power generation its just that coal plants haven't reached the end of their shelf life yet but when they do they'll build better systems that cost them less while charging us the same amount.

What does coal and clean power have to do with the decision of saving the Citadel or the Earth?

I think I may need to slow down a bit and break it down more clearly so you can understand.

- The Citadel controls the relay network.
- If we lose the Citadel, we lose the relays.
- And the reapers now have the relays to go to any cluster much more rapidly than us.
- The reapers will use the relays to go system by system, taking them one by one.
- Those systems will be isolated. No fleet will be there in time to help due to the limited nature of FTL travel.
- Each taken system will make the reapers stronger (husk "recruitment").
- Once they reach the Earth, it will be a matter of time until it falls. How many years will the Alliance be able to resist on its own against a whole galaxy of reapers?

In the alternative scenario, every species form a united front and win the war, even at the expense of many planets, one of which may be the Earth. Weakened by this, we will probably lose status among Council species. Fighting again against the Turians or another major species would be rather dumb, so our only hope to thrive again would be to come to terms with the Council, reclaim the Earth and repopulate it. It has been said in this thread there may be as many as 50 million off-world humans. Considering that 10000 people were enough to populate the world the first time, it shouldn't be a problem. That would only be possible, of course, if the inhabitants of Terra Nova, Eden Prime and other advanced planets hold any desire to go live in a devastated world that is alien to them.

Only brought it up because people are acting like Earth in ME universe is a wasteland with too many people, anyway due to the number and size of ezo cores that would detonate in atmosphere all over the Earth.  If all the fleet gather at the citadel coundn't the Reapers just reap Earth, destroy all alien worlds with hit and run then wait the citadel out?

[Weyrloc Guld]

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

11 billion of humans vs. some million of aliens. This is a task for Captain Obvious.

overpopulated slum vs. crucial transport system ... decisions.

The homeworld of humans vs. the homeworld of reapers. i said all

They don't live there. It is merely the basis of their plan which they have the keys for. Besides the Reapers homeworld isn't even known yet. Also, station not world:whistle:

Yes, but they come by the Citadel!

[Last Vizard]

Cpt-Brit wrote...

Who's to say if the Citadel is destroyed it will shut off the network? Although it can switch them off wouldn't the Reapers had made it so the Mass Effect Relays can work without it? Just in case one species thought "FU! Squids from Space" and blew it from the inside. Althought the Reapers would most likely take losses compared to a segregated galaxy they are that arrogant they'd still think they could win.

I'd vote to blow the Citadel rather than let it fall to the Reapers and see where the fight takes the Galaxy and the Council would probably do the same. You know how touchy they are with Garden worlds... All those colonies will rely on Earth for financial and/or industrial backing you know just like Colonies of old used to rely on their respective 'owners'. Do you think the United States or Canada could have survived to be what it is today without the original back up of the British?

I'm not saying the Colonies will all die out but they would be broken versions of there former selves and few would be able to survive for long and whos to say the Reapers aren't attacking all the reletively small Systems Alliance Empire/Federation/Confederation whatever you wanna call it at the same time? Yea they are going to go for Earth first but the colonies will be the easier target and much easier for the Military to 'Sacrifice' to save Earth.

Basically Shepherd can condemn more or less his entire race to death or can save the Citadel because without it we 'think' we might lose the war.

Last point do you think the Alliance military is just gonna go "Yea ok forget Earth a Space Station full of pampered Aliens is worth more than our home". Humanity is fighting for its survival as a species...

I commented on an early page that we should blow it up, ME 2 changed the rules a little, seems too easy for the Reapers to just fly back in two years... why didn't Nazara just call the fleet in when the Rachni plan failed? i think the relays will still function without the citadel.

[jamesp81]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

lltoon wrote...

Lose the Earth. We can always go back to repopulate it since we have a pool of billions of humans on other planets and colonies.

No, we don't.

Total population off of Earth is, at best, maybe 50 million.  Earth's three largest colonies have a combined population of 14 million or so.  That means Earth's three largest colonies account for about 0.12% of the human population.

You lose Earth, and humanity is done as a species.  The other races who have been in space over a thousand years can recover from losing their homeworlds.  Humanity cannot.

The aliens stand with us as long as we are useful, if we lose Earth we'll become slaves.

No sacificing earth and most human lives,will make humans the ulitmate choice to be on the Council,not only that over time humans what are left will be able to repopulate.itll take a very long time but so what.

If the choice is citadeal or Earth,im Saving the Citadel

If you think that the other races are going to hand us a seat on the council out of goodwill, you are naive about them.

Sitting on the Council means being able to handle your own problems and help others with theirs.  A humanity that has suffered the death of 99.88% of its population meets neither of those requirements.  Council membership isn't a charity.

[RyuujinZERO]

Slam an asteroid into one of the relays near the citadel and problem gone

Of course, it could be that theres a failsafe and destruction of the citadel will disable the entire gate network permanently. That'd hand victory to the reapers ANYWAY since they have far superior FTL drives

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 25 octobre 2011 - 05:52 .

[Last Vizard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Nothing with the main topic, i work in a coal mine and we have hippies that try and interrupt our production so i was just curious if you were as surprised as i was when i found out it was algae.   CO2 is produced by Volcanoes, bacteria, animals, rotting plant waste and oceans during evaporation in far greater quantities than man does. (carbon tax is bull)

On the contrary, cabon tax is a great idea, in fact I don't know why people are still using carbon as a fuel, but anyway, human production of CO2 alters the balance that nature has. All that CO2 that nature produces, is "attacked" by nature itself in the form of plant life, bacteria, seasons and so on. Humans add more CO2 to the equation, altering this balance.

More than a volcanic eruption? watch tis --->

Is not about what or who produces more CO2, is about not speeding up the process. Would you prefer to have an Ice age tomorrow or in 10.000 years?

the climate is getting hotter due to increased sun spot activity, not CO2 pollution... didn't you watch the video? lol

[jamesp81]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm loving the assumption here that all Aliens are vile creatures looking to take advantage of us as soon as they can.

Who said they are vile?

Geopolitics is a full contact sport.  They aren't going to hand humanity a seat on the council out of charity for losing their homeworld.  And there are thug regimes in the Terminus systems that'd like nothing better than to take revenge on humanity.

None of this means they are automatically "vile", although I think the various minor states of the Terminus fit into that category.  The Council will not have a member state on it that is virtually helpless, regardless of how they got into that position.  That's not being vile, it's being realistic.

[Last Vizard]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

Slam an asteroid into one of the relays near the citadel and problem gone

Of course, it could be that theres a failsafe and destruction of the citadel will disable the entire gate network permanently. That'd hand victory to the reapers ANYWAY since they have far superior FTL drives

If you protect the citadel instead of taking the chance they'll Reap Earth and build more Reapers then destroy all worlds that supply the citadel and just wait for them to strave while they destroy the last spacefaring species.

Modifié par Last Vizard, 25 octobre 2011 - 05:58 .

[sevach]

I would save Earth and not just because i'm human and screw those filthy aliens.

The Citadel is a Reaper construct and a trap, we shouldn't be using it in the first place (specially paragons).
If anything, i would totally oblitarate it to screw the Reapers "reaping plans".

Besides that, i'm human and screw those filthy aliens.

[jamesp81]

Wulfram wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Right, because the various thug regimes of the Terminus systems wouldn't take the opportunity to conquer all the defenseless human colonies that remain.

The Batarians aren't exactly going to be in a position to be much threat, it seems.

Slavery is the only reasonable outcome to the loss of Earth.  The Alliance will be removed from the Council, and the aliens will again regret that they can't get involved in a human matter, and do nothing when human colonies are occupied.

The Aliens haven't got involved when there was no good reason for them to get involved.  That doesn't mean that the Turians will refuse to protect an associate council member from unprovoked attacks.  The Turians prestige comes from its role as peacekeepers.

Being a second or third rate power sucks, but with competent diplomacy it doesn't spell annihilation.

Personally, I'm going to ensure that this ineffective supra-national government gets done away with during the war.  They've proved their uselessness enough times to warrant it at this point.

1000 years of peace is clearly irrelevant compared to the grave sin of making air quotes at Commander Shepard.

1.  I wasn't talking about the Batarians.  There are a lot of minor states in the Terminus systems, many of which will survive the war, that will undoubtedly take advantage of the situation.

2.  The Alliance will not sit on the Council after losing Earth.  The Turians have also, in the past, refused to help the Alliance when it had problems.  There's no reason to think that's going to change.  They might agree to help if we become their pets like the Volus, however.

3.  No, the grave sin is ignoring the threat after it almost blew your ass off (and in some people's playthroughs, did) in ME1.